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[pixel monkey]

for some reason lara's excessive violence bothers me more then other games. it's a jarring aspect of her character.

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

 

[kamandi]

Looks fun.

 

[faridmon]

Granted I have been reading the last 3 pages, but I have seen way more times other games of other platform being mentioned than Tomb Raider.
this is very reaching!

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

I do hope they make the optional tombs rewarding to find this time. That little IGN bit about reading things tbat give you clues to hidden tomb locations could be great if done well. Don't just do the shitty SECRET TOMB OVER HERE GUYS FOLLOW THE BIG ARROWS, like the reboot did. Reward exploration and maybe make the clues to the location of a tomb subtle. Make the finding of an optional tomb a puzzle itself.

 

[shinnn]

Granted I have been reading the last 3 pages, but I have seen way more times other games of other platform being mentioned than Tomb Raider.
this is very reaching!

lol same thing on Crackdown, Quantum Break and Scalebound threads. Must be coincidence.

 

[More_Badass]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

Seems like one hell of an unfounded assumption, considering that many arguments have constrasted the new games with the older games.

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

Are Tombs part of the general gameplay or are they just some side room like they were in the last game?

 

[Marvel]

So hyped.

 

[pixel monkey]

Seems like one hell of an unfounded assumption, considering that many arguments have constrasted the new games with the older games.

Really? And what did the community do with that Lara? How quickly we forget "Nude Raider" and all the talk of bounce physics and her breasts. A character made up of what... a few hundred polygons? At most?

As the technology has improved, and Lara has become more "real" in the current gen, the talk is now about how she's too violent. It's "jarring" to see her character doing the same thing male characters do without anyone batting an eye.

Oh, but don't worry... we've still got plenty of nude mods and Lara torture porn to keep the throbbing masses happy.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

I wouldn't say it's because she is female. There are lots of female characters that can kick ass in games, but the over the top violence doesn't suit this character.

If they had given Lara a military background with combat training then it would feel more in line with the story. But she was a 21 year old archaeology graduate with no weapons training and had never killed a single person.

TR 2013 made a big deal of the fact she had never killed at the start and when she killed the 1st guy in self defence, it was done pretty well but then all that went out the window and all of a sudden she was running around like Rambo, modding guns and murdering waves of bad guys

It just doesn't fit the character they set up, it's nothing to do with her being a woman.

 

[spekkeh]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

While I think it probably has to do with her being a woman, I'm not convinced that thinking women are usually better than cold-blooded murderers necessarily bespeaks negative perceptions of women.

 

[KORNdoggy]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

it's less to do with that and more to do with the context and means in which she kills. this isn't uncharted levels of mild violence...a neck snap here and there. this is going from innocent character to mass murderer in the space of 5 seconds. this is going from stumbling about looking for supplies to ripping the throat out of an enemy or shoving an arrow in their eye close up execution style. i wouldn't want that in uncharted. and i don't want it here either. it's just harder to handle here because the transformation is so jarring within the context of the game and story.

 

[spekkeh]

I wouldn't say it's because she is female. There are lots of female characters that can kick ass in games, but the over the top violence doesn't suit this character.

If they had given Lara a military background with combat training then it would feel more in line with the story. But she was a 21 year old archaeology graduate with no weapons training and had never killed a single person.

TR 2013 made a big deal of the fact she had never killed at the start and when she killed the 1st guy in self defence, it was done pretty well but then all that went out the window and all of a sudden she was running around like Rambo, modding guns and murdering waves of bad guys

It just doesn't fit the character they set up, it's nothing to do with her being a woman.

I think the character they were going for was one that was born to be the tomb raider, but one that needed a shocking event to unearth it. Kind of like The Hunger Games and similar YA stories.

 

[jwk94]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

It's not that cut and dry.

 

[Harlequin]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

Yeah, no. Classic Lara was way more of a cold-blooded sociopathic killer than reboot Lara (the gameplay simply wasn't focused on mindlessly gunning down hordes of enemies for the most part). I think the main reason why people are complaining about it with reboot Lara is a) because Crystal made so much noise about how they wanted to make Lara's character development more realistic and how she was just an average woman and because of how awfully the transition between scared, innocent girl next-door and seasoned mass murderer was done in the last game and b) because many people simply don't want to have so much combat in their TR games because it's not what the franchise is about.

 

[Ralemont]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

Considering the whole silly "action heroes as mass murderers" thing started with Drake, I'm not sure this is a well-founded assumption.

 

[Amir0x]

Yeah, no. Classic Lara was way more of a cold-blooded sociopathic killer than reboot Lara (the gameplay simply wasn't focused on mindlessly gunning down hordes of enemies for the most part). I think the main reason why people are complaining about it with reboot Lara is a) because Crystal made so much noise about how they wanted to make Lara's character development more realistic and how she was just an average woman and because of how awfully the transition between scared, innocent girl next-door and seasoned mass murderer was done in the last game and b) because many people simply don't want to have so much combat in their TR games because it's not what the franchise is about.

What are you talking about? I'm sorry, you're going to need to qualify how "Classic Lara was way more of a cold-blooded sociopathic killer than reboot Lara."

This is straight nonsense of the highest order.

 

[Ralemont]

It's nonsense to assert either Lara is sociopathic, but of the two older Lara certainly kills less people.

 

[Amir0x]

It's nonsense to assert either Lara is sociopathic, but of the two older Lara certainly kills less people.

I don't think it's nonsense at all. In new Tomb Raider, Lara fucking gouges people's faces off with ice picks and brutalizes enemies in the most obscene ways possible. Whether they are going to attack her or not, the manner in which she kills people is telling. Criminal psychologists even have names for it!

I don't think that's what they intended it to come off as, since they wanted the player to feel the need to protect Lara, but it comes off as excessive and/or not understanding the word "subtlety."

 

[Omega Kirby]

TR2013 had good lore and world building...Jesus fucking Christ. No.



Good lore and world building...hahaha. Good stuff.

Ok, I can tell you rushed through the game and didn't bother reading the books or artifacts , smh.

The story of the game is one thing and the lore is another thing .

 

[More_Badass]

I don't think it's nonsense at all. In new Tomb Raider, Lara fucking gouges people's faces off with ice picks and brutalizes enemies in the most obscene ways possible. Whether they are going to attack her or not, the manner in which she kills people is telling. Criminal psychologists even have names for it!

Stabbing them in head with a climbing axe = "gouging people's faces off"? Except for the crazy assault rifle finishers, she mostly kills them quickly with a single stab to the throat, neck, face with an arrow or axe, or a single gun shot. How is that brutalizing them in the most obscene way possible?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeB6WMA4cQM
You're making it sound like this is Manhunt where the game would literally linger on the kills

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I don't think it's nonsense at all. In new Tomb Raider, Lara fucking gouges people's faces off with ice picks and brutalizes enemies in the most obscene ways possible. Whether they are going to attack her or not, the manner in which she kills people is telling. Criminal psychologists even have names for it!

I don't think that's what they intended it to come off as, since they wanted the player to feel the need to protect Lara, but it comes off as excessive and/or not understanding the word "subtlety."

I find it cathartic.

Fuck all those assholes BATHE IN BLOOD

 

[Ralemont]

I don't think it's nonsense at all. In new Tomb Raider, Lara fucking gouges people's faces off with ice picks and brutalizes enemies in the most obscene ways possible. Whether they are going to attack her or not, the manner in which she kills people is telling. Criminal psychologists even have names for it!

I don't think that's what they intended it to come off as, since they wanted the player to feel the need to protect Lara, but it comes off as excessive and/or not understanding the word "subtlety."

There are ice picks in Tomb Raider? Do you mean the climbing axe? If so, I remember her swinging once at their head. If there's something else maybe I don't remember it.

 

[Metalingus5150]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

Have you seen the threads about how Nathan Drake is a mass murderer or how violence ruined Joel in Last of Us?

 

[badcrumble]

Wish this had been a straightforward gameplay video and not such a cut-to-ribbons short trailer.

 

[faridmon]

lol same thing on Crackdown, Quantum Break and Scalebound threads. Must be coincidence.

Yeah, noticed that. Hope people acted like adults when it comes to these things but ALAS!

I really liked the first one and though the reboot had a way more interesting premise than the older Lara Croft games. Glad they are continuing that with this one!

 

[Pilgrimzero]

I think the new and old Lara are somewhat similar. It's just the old games weren't so action focused.

Old Lara lived for the thrills. I guess new Lara might be getting there.

 

[faridmon]

I think the new and old Lara are somewhat similar. It's just the old games weren't so action focused.

Old Lara lived for the thrills. I guess new Lara might be getting there.

There is less focus on sexualising Lara in the way the older games did which is a huge plus for me. The fact she acts like a competent person is a huge sell for me.

Hope we go past the days where every female had huge boobs and skinny outfits in order to sell the games!

 

[Arklite]

There is less focus on sexualising Lara in the way the older games did which is a huge plus for me. The fact she acts like a competent person is a huge sell for me.

Hope we go past the days where every female had huge boobs and skinny outfits in order to sell the games!

Lara Croft was always more than competent. Crystal Dynamic's own previous trilogy has a much stronger and confident Lara that I hope this one will grow into.

 

[More_Badass]

Lara Croft was always more than competent. Crystal Dynamic's own previous trilogy has a much stronger and confident Lara that I hope this one will grow into.

It is called "Rise of the Tomb Raider", pretty sure that's what the games are building towards

Maybe she's get dual pistols in this one

 

[MMaRsu]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

Lol jesus. Stop bring sex and all that shit into it. That is just nonsense.

 

[faridmon]

It is called "Rise of the Tomb Raider", pretty sure that's what the games are building towards

Maybe she's get dual pistols in this one

That would be awesome

 

[Ralemont]

Didn't she have dual pistols as of the end of TR2013?

 

[Arklite]

It is called "Rise of the Tomb Raider", pretty sure that's what the games are building towards

Maybe she's get dual pistols in this one

She got dual pistols in the last one like it was signifying her comeback. The first game should have been enough of a "Rise," but either way, more is a good thing.

 

[NickatNite]

Is this still open world ish? In the vein of the last one, or mission based?

 

[More_Badass]

Didn't she have dual pistols as of the end of TR2013?

She got dual pistols in the last one like it was signifying her comeback. The first game should have been enough of a "Rise," but either way, more is a good thing.

Been a while since I played the end of TR. Was it just a cutscene or did you get to shoot with them?

 

[Arklite]

Been a while since I played the end of TR. Was it just a cutscene or did you get to shoot with them?

Just a final scene, which made me fully expect to be seeing them in the sequel, but not this time it seems.

 

[NickatNite]

Was it just a cutscene or did you get to shoot with them?

You shot them with LT & RT, but it was basically just a QTE.

 

[Two Words]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

I dunno, I kinda felt like the first game was trying to sexualize the violence put on her. Maybe that opinion is somewhat colored by the fact that one of the secs talked about how they want the player to feel like they want to "protect her".


Also, the previous Tomb Raider games weren't this violent. They were more like Uncharted as far as violence goes. Imagine the reaction if Uncharted 4 was as violent as this.

 

[Gurish]

Is it me or the game does not look visually much better than the TR 2013 remaster?
And I've seen the Gamersyde version, it's just not impressive.

Still I'm sure it's gonna be great and I'm very looking forward to it.

 

[Journey]

Lara can now learn foreign languages. There are Greek etchings on the walls of the tomb, and by examining murals and other ancient items strewn about you can increase her language proficiency and eventually be able to read the etchings and learn their secrets. They might point to buried treasure, optional tombs, or something even bigger.

Impossible! GAF told me this game is about killing and nothing else!

 

[Some Nobody]

Did you ever think that's because she's a female lead? All these complaints about "excessive violence" that crop up in every Tomb Raider thread... that's not a coincidence.

If Lara was Larry, like in, oh I don't know... every other damned action game, it's odd how the violence is not only accepted, it's embraced.

This isn't about Lara or her actions. It's about the reaction male gamers have to strong women not being princesses placed in a tower waiting to be rescued.

Nah, 'cause people actually give Nathan Drake a ton of shit for being a mass murderer. But "excessive violence" isn't mentioned 'cause his stealth kill is just breaking a neck, not slitting throats with rusty tools or whatever.

Tomb Raider is supposed to be all pulp-y like Uncharted. T-levels of violence, basically. Instead it's super gritty and closer to a thriller/horror film. It should be "fun" to play as Lara, but its actually a really tense, harrowing experience--or that's how I felt when I played the game in 2013.

 

[Amir0x]

Impossible! GAF told me this game is about killing and nothing else!

GAF didn't tell you anything, since it's not a hivemind.

And second, Tomb Raider 2013 also didn't only feature killing and nothing else.

Didn't change that the game was absolutely dominated by combat and was not remotely like anything the series was actually always about. But, ya know, I'm positive you understand all this and for some reason thought you were making a compelling point anyway.

 

[More_Badass]

Nah, 'cause people actually give Nathan Drake a ton of shit for being a mass murderer. But "excessive violence" isn't mentioned 'cause his stealth kill is just breaking a neck, not slitting throats with rusty tools or whatever.

Tomb Raider is supposed to be all pulp-y like Uncharted. T-levels of violence, basically. Instead it's super gritty and closer to a thriller/horror film. It should be "fun" to play as Lara, but its actually a really tense, harrowing experience--or that's how I felt when I played the game in 2013.

"Supposed to be"? Who deemed that?

Obviously the new Tomb Raider series is meant to be a more tense harrowing thriller/horror experience in contrast to the older games

 

[Journey]

GAF didn't tell you anything, since it's not a hivemind.

And second, Tomb Raider 2013 also didn't only feature killing and nothing else.

Didn't change that the game was absolutely dominated by combat and was not remotely like anything the series was actually always about. But, ya know, I'm positive you understand all this and for some reason thought you were making a compelling point anyway.

The "Gaf told me" is a joke that many use. I always saw Tomb Raider as a Raiders of the Lost Ark game starring a female character, but even in that movie there are tons of action elements, chase scenes, fighting and shooting, you can't make a game that's just about raiding Tombs, that shit would be boring.

Btw, the original Tomb Raider also had lots of violence and killing people, animals and even kids! no even kidding about that last part. People have fond memories of the original Tomb Raider, but violence was always there.


OMG Lara shooting at people in the back...

Whoa, the guy is running away begging for his life yet she chases him and continues to shoot him in the back, how Psychotic!

She even kills KIDS! Should we sound the Amber Alert? And what's the deal with a kid on a skateboard? Wow :/

Get away from me you crazy bitch! I take back what I said about the new Tomb Raider!!!

 

[grandwizard]

The "Gaf told me" is a joke that many use. I always saw Tomb Raider as a Raiders of the Lost Ark game starring a female character, but even in that movie there are tons of action elements, chase scenes, fighting and shooting, you can't make a game that's just about raiding Tombs, that shit would be boring.

Btw, the original Tomb Raider also had lots of violence and killing people, animals and even kids! no even kidding about that last part. People have fond memories of the original Tomb Raider, but violence was always there.


OMG Lara shooting at people in the back...

Whoa, the guy is running away begging for his life yet she chases him and continues to shoot him in the back, how Psychotic!

She even kills KIDS! Should we sound the Amber Alert? And what's the deal with a kid on a skateboard? Wow :/

Get away from me you crazy bitch! I take back what I said about the new Tomb Raider!!!

Good job finding 3 of the 5 human fights in TR1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEN5obhFRj4

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Lmao at trying to compare the very small number of human kills in the original to the many many kills in the reboot.

 

[BluenoseGames]

Just a final scene, which made me fully expect to be seeing them in the sequel, but not this time it seems.

I felt like they were there just for fan service, I highly doubt Duals will be in Rise too.

 

[NullPointer]

Looks amazing.

Loving those animations. She looks incredible in motion.

 

[hawk2025]

Impossible! GAF told me this game is about killing and nothing else!

Man, this kind of disingenuous post.

Not like we've been discussing the nuances of Tomb Raider gameplay for the past day and multiple pages, right?