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Trump talks Megyn Kelly's nose [Talking Megyn's appearance = ban]
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that has to be scary
hydrophilic attack
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What things?
He said two things I absolutely agree with:
- Not being able to purchase insurance across state lines stifles competition and encourages price inflation... He has also come out in defense of single payer
- His ability to buy every politician on that panel (and then some) certainly speaks loudly to corruption in US politics.
Not enough to overcome his obvious... Shortcomings. But there's some sanity there.
It's absolutely false. I've only seen people banned for spouting outright bigoted shite. Certainly not for conservative views on decreasing welfare, lowering immigration, increased military spending, austerity, etc. Now if you post that you hold a conservative view on, say, immigration because you think all foreigners are shiftless rapists then yes you will get banned.
Just the standard persecution card people resort to instead of arguments related to the point.
I will wait whilst you fetch posts supporting your claims.
hydrophilic attack
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Yeah, I agree with those things too.
Just not true. If you need evidence, just head to any thread dealing with racial tension in the US over the last year alone. There were posts that crossed the line to be sure, but many did not. Meanwhile, Scriptkiddies was allowed to berate people who disagreed with him for what seemed like an eternity without getting banned because of where he fell on the spectrum.
Go find it yourself, it's not hard.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
And yet, he is the *only* candidate to bring either of those points up.
The first one is always unreasonable whereas the second is valid if you hold certain, commonly held, beliefs. I don't think the latter should be censured or shouted down at all.
shinra-bansho
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I'm not entirely sure how this thread became wildly off-topic in it's discussion of the collective consciousness that is "GAF", but I'd suggest it return to the rails.
Darth Karja
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Are you trying to tell me that Santa Claus is not white? Or that saying Santa is white is Racist?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I still can't believe that a party that feels comfortable calling transgender soldiers "science experiments" is trying to beat down Trump with "you can't imply those things about people!"
This strategy is the dumbest thing possible.
This strategy is the dumbest thing possible.
Who said the science experiments line?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Huckabee.
edit: He actually said "social experiment" I just remembered the wording being worse because the tone and context was so terrible but that's still terrible.
The day that's allowed, literally every insurance company will re-incorporate in Delaware and they'll all start buying each other out, with a race to the bottom of who can screw over the public more ensuing.
Same stuff happened with the credit and loan industry. States used to have reasonable limits on rates and other things, then they were suddenly allowed to go across state lines. South Dakota then announced they would barely limit anything and now that state is a tax and rate haven.
Also, insurance companies generally are not allowed to turn a profit with their premiums (premiums collected and payouts paid must be roughly equal at the end of each year). All of their profit comes from market investments.
I'm not seeing any problems with the credit card or loan industries. Seems very competitive, more so than health insurance.
Isn't the argument about not selling across state lines was that you'd just have all the insurance companies move to the state with the shittiest regulations and we'd all be stuck with even worse insurance. I can see the insurance lobbies buying off one state to achieve this.
We elected W Bush twice. So what did the world think of us then?
He has zero chance, even at the Republican nomination. The party leaders have deemed him unacceptable and are out to destroy him. He might run third party because of this, but that would only further lessen his chances in a general election.
TL;DR: 0.0000001% chance (and that's generous)
Not good things..
I'm optimistic enough about Trump's chances to think that he has about a 10% chance of attaining the Repulican nomination. However, he has basically no chance of winning a general election. Trump's support outside of the Repulican party is very weak, and his foibles are much more of a problem there than during the primary. The reason why he's making so much of a splash now though is because the criticisms currently laid on him largely don't work with the Republican base - they've been trained to view most of Trump's failings as virtues.
tearsintherain
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In 20 years on the internet I have never once seen a reply to the effect of "You know, your post really was informative and changed my opinion on this subject matter" in anything related to political, social, or religious views. Its just not the way human beings are wired, and internet forums are the worst for it since we see all the posts that agree with us and get more fervent, and the posts that we disagree with get dogpiled on. Fox News is built upon this human echo chamber mentality.
I'm a pretty conservative guy and generally open only the movie/TV/funny OT threads.
Re: Trump its mostly just a frustration vote right now, he is the guy who is vastly different from every other candidate running who are all just pandering to the base and trying to be as inoffensive (to republicans, not democrats) as possible. That honestly could turn into a win depending on how enthusiastic democrats are about Hillary. She has a lot of bullets in her gun to fire against Trump if he gets the Republican platform (Bill, Obama, experience, foreign policy). If he runs as an independent, yeah he is pretty much handing the election over to Hillary.
It really is simply too early to call who might win, remember around this time in 2008 Mike Huckabee was ahead of the polls (Republican primary) and even won the Iowa caucus, and Rick Santorum won the 2012 Iowa caucus. Hillary still looked like the front runner in 2008 for a long time.
crossposted at poligaf
ahahahahaha
Holy shit. It actually scares me more that Cruz and Carson are up there.
Veritigo_X
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crossposted at poligaf
ahahahahaha
No Jeb or Walker? lol
I'm surprised how high Carson is though. I figured his numbers would drop after the debate.
actually it's not, and I don't think its a coicidence my fathers business does better when a republican is in office than a democrat.
But hey, these politicians and their policies all affect our lives differently.
so i doubt there is a 'right' answer to anything
crossposted at poligaf
ahahahahaha
looks like they really did take our......Jebs.........YEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
Well, what does he do then? Because most people will tell you things went to shit under Bush.
crossposted at poligaf
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Look at this wall of shit.
All Trump jokes aside, these are some fucked up people that are running for president.
rokkerkory
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This country is in deep shit if any of those get elected
Oh man, yes. Ben 'Prison-Makes-You-Gay' Carson and Carly 'Fired-Tech-Ceo' Fiorina.
Rubio should at least be higher. And where is Jeb?
Rubio was not overtly outlandish so he only got a mild boost.
Jeb Bush appeared bland and meek during the debate.
speculawyer
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This. The 'sell across state lines' is a common talking point on the right but it is just an effort to create a race to the bottom.
Another way that you now it is bad is that it completely violates one of their supposed principles but they never seem to mention that. ...states rights. Shouldn't the states have the rights to create their own health insurance rules?
speculawyer
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Haha Fox "news". If you shoot at the King,you best not miss.crossposted at poligaf
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And holy shit at Carson & Cruz. That's the Theocrat wing.
speculawyer
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What does your father do for a living?
Slurpy2k20
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Is Trump a disgusting, bigoted asshole? Sure.
Is most of what he says inappropriate? Yes.
That being said, do I think Megyn Kelly is a disgusting, vile human being? Yes, I do. Nothing to do with her appearance. She's just a nasty, dishonest, vitriolic person, a conclusion I've made after watching many dozens of her interviews and commentary on every subject imaginable.
Does that excuse Trump's behavior? No. But you won't see me feeling any kind of pity or sympathy towards Megyn Kelly. I've seen her do much worse to interviewees on Fox news, and make much more vile and dangerous accusations (ie. bigoted, xenophobic, islamophobic, racist) than what Trump has done.
Also, the fact that Trump has such a dominant position so far in popularity tells you ALL you need to know about the republican base. You won't find better example against the sanity and rationality of the type of voter that this party attracts. Trump is everything they wish for in a candidate. Petty, nasty, simplistic, dishonest, hateful, xenophobic, brash, undiplomatic, etc. This is the guy that was still demanding "proof" of Obama's legitimacy (ie. birth certificate) during his 2nd term in office, and he's now the republican front runner. The horrific, vile nature of the republican front runners is sad, as is the fact that we do not have a legitimate "2nd" party than this trash.
Is most of what he says inappropriate? Yes.
That being said, do I think Megyn Kelly is a disgusting, vile human being? Yes, I do. Nothing to do with her appearance. She's just a nasty, dishonest, vitriolic person, a conclusion I've made after watching many dozens of her interviews and commentary on every subject imaginable.
Does that excuse Trump's behavior? No. But you won't see me feeling any kind of pity or sympathy towards Megyn Kelly. I've seen her do much worse to interviewees on Fox news, and make much more vile and dangerous accusations (ie. bigoted, xenophobic, islamophobic, racist) than what Trump has done.
Also, the fact that Trump has such a dominant position so far in popularity tells you ALL you need to know about the republican base. You won't find better example against the sanity and rationality of the type of voter that this party attracts. Trump is everything they wish for in a candidate. Petty, nasty, simplistic, dishonest, hateful, xenophobic, brash, undiplomatic, etc. This is the guy that was still demanding "proof" of Obama's legitimacy (ie. birth certificate) during his 2nd term in office, and he's now the republican front runner. The horrific, vile nature of the republican front runners is sad, as is the fact that we do not have a legitimate "2nd" party than this trash.
LaserBuddha
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Ah so this isnt really about left vs right politics, this is about being able to say ignorant shit about race? Every time someone whines about getting bullied for not being liberal, what really happened is they said some offensively, objectively ignorant shit.
Its not our fault that the line between conservatism and hate/ignorance is very blurred in American politics today, but just because 10 bigoted assholes can get up on stage and debate as a representation of the entire Republican party, doesnt mean those bigoted views get a special protected status as official conservative positions. If you say some ignorant hateful shit, it doesnt matter whether it came out of the KKK's mouth or every single recognizable Republican in Washington.
We are content with the knowledge that every single major Republican position in politics can be debunked as nonsense using logic and emperical evidence. There's no need to try to silence their voices or something.
Also the person making the claim needs to provide the evidence. Dont tell us to go look for it.
I love how "scared" people are of these possible Republican nominees yet Hilary, a proven lieing, corrupted, and scumbag politician is okay in their book. At least these candidates mean what they say and say what they mean, while Hilary is an unapologetic puppet for special interests.
Oh liberals. Stay inconsistent.
Oh liberals. Stay inconsistent.
It happens.
There are many people that have posted they deconverted from religion due to atheist/religious discussions here.
None of them ever cite a single post. Hard to change somebody's opinion in a single block of text. But for the most part their stories suggested that such threads prompted deeper introspection and personal research which ultimately led them to changing.
For that reason, kinda sad the mammoth "Religion vs Atheism" thread got locked. Even though it was started antagonistically, there was a lot of solid discussion in there which, in my heathen atheistic mind, was doing "good work".
ItWasMeantToBe19
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lol Marco Rubio believes in literally nothing other than getting elected and is just as much of a liar and sellout as Hillary. He has abandoned every single principle he previously had to possibly get elected.
Trump was pro-choice, pro-universal health care, pro other super liberal things until a black man got elected president.
Ted Cruz doesn't believe anything he says.
Rand Paul's entire appeal was non-intervention and defunding the military and he's abandoned that principle almost entirely.
What are you talking about?
I mean, Ben Carson does believe that prison rape makes you gay, but, uhh, I don't think that's something to admire.
The Technomancer
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It happened to me actually. I completely reevaluated some of my stances on things like feminism and women's issues, racism, and other stuff based on conversations that, well, I had here on NeoGAF actually
Box of Kittens
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Yes, I was confused at claims that Trump is the only candidate talking about this. Perhaps he was the only one who mentioned it at the debate (or perhaps not, I didn't catch it) but this is an orthodox position for the Republican Party.
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