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Eurogamer Miyamoto interview: Future of 3D Mario (Galaxy)
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Corronchilejano
Member
That does not excuse the fact that there's nothing on screen. I couldn't care less if the game looks like StarFox on the SNES as long as there's something going on.
I mean, I have faith in Miyamoto and I know their design choices will finally make sense in the end (somehow), but to claim right now that barely any gameplay is a "simplistic design choice" is ridiculous.
James Scott
Banned
I think he's saying that the hardware is good but they need more CPU to work with
Supermanisdead
Member
oh god, miyamoto is so out of touch.
CopperPuppy
Member
Wow, I was really hoping from the thread title that there would be some shred of evidence on the next 3D installment... Nope. From the tone, it doesn't even sound like there is anything in active development.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Which is interesting, as I think it's the first time a Nintendo figure has pointed to the CPU as the main issue with the system - something that's been talked about by enthusiasts and industry peeps since launch.
Corronchilejano
Member
Galaxy is one of the easiest Mario games to control, though. By trying to shoehorn in 2D mechanics like the run button, they've actually made it harder to control.
Why do people presume that because mobile gaming exists, casual gamers will never be interested in a console ever again?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Who Nintendo is thinking about as an audience is often much broader than who much of the industry is thinking about as an audience.
When our local Wal-Mart had Super Mario Galaxy set up in the Wii kiosks, there were tons of people who never even made it past the rabbits at the beginning. I saw a young girl and what I presume was her grandfather try and fail at that for like almost ten minutes.
People really do have difficulty with 3D movement, especially those who have never touched a video game beyond basic mobile ones in their lives.
Sammy Samusu
Member
And yet games like GTA and Minecraft sold like 20 million copies each?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
What game is this and why do I want it based on a single screenshot?
Corronchilejano
Member
I know it seems easy for you, but my Gf (for example) has a harder time with it than 2D Mario games. In fact, due to the way some levels are made, Galaxy 2 is actually easier for her. Miyamoto is looking for a sweet spot, and he (believes he) hasn't found it.
Nintendos constant worrying about whether players can control
mario in 3d space is totally bizarre. The sales of sm 64, smg, and 3d land have been remarkably consistent across different platforms with very different installed bases. Its also clear the 30m ceiling for 2d mario was simply a function of the casual crazy wii userbase.
If people truly had problems playing sm 64 that didnt stop nintendo from releasing it on ds where it was barely playable and had the same camera issues. It didnt stop players from buying 10m copies knowing full well what they were getting into. Miyamotos obsession about this doesnt make sense.
And to use splatoon as an example of acclimating players to 3d cameras is another strange comment. Didnt this already happen 20 years ago?
mario in 3d space is totally bizarre. The sales of sm 64, smg, and 3d land have been remarkably consistent across different platforms with very different installed bases. Its also clear the 30m ceiling for 2d mario was simply a function of the casual crazy wii userbase.
If people truly had problems playing sm 64 that didnt stop nintendo from releasing it on ds where it was barely playable and had the same camera issues. It didnt stop players from buying 10m copies knowing full well what they were getting into. Miyamotos obsession about this doesnt make sense.
And to use splatoon as an example of acclimating players to 3d cameras is another strange comment. Didnt this already happen 20 years ago?
ZeroGravity
Member
I've known people who've played games all their lives still have difficulty dealing with gaming in a three-dimensional space. Miyamoto is absolutely right.
Isn't that DQXI?
That's Dragon Quest XI on the 3DS. Depending on your control method (Circle pad or D-Pad) the action happens on the top or bottom screen. In 3D or 2D respectively.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Maybe it wouldn't have been difficult if we weren't asked to control it with this abomination
I love this controller
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Suddenly I want to pay attention to DQXI
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yes, it is. I really like the concept behind DQXI on 3DS. Top screen is in 3D awhile bottom screen is in 2D (sprites)
Supermanisdead
Member
nintendo's constant babying of their fanbase is infuriating. its been 20 years since mario 64. people get 3D cameras now. they really do. not just xxXhardcoreXxx gamers. even normal people can figure that shit out.
3D World's limited analogue movement makes it much less likely for players to accidentally wander off edges, and using a button to control when you walk and run is far easier than tilting the stick a specific distance
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
can we turn that off to preserve battery?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Arguments that the normal audience isn't buying anymore have some weight. Arguments that they understand 3D cameras now are much shakier.
How so? Because he wants to expand the audience and consider people who aren't comfortable with 3D camera mechanics rather than focus on the hardcore audience?
Think about the wider audience rather than just you. Nintendo try to cater their games for everyone, and not just the happy hardcore, and sometimes that means concessions have to be made
Chezzymann
Member
My mom can play new super Mario bros just fine but gets super confused with the camera and doing jumps accurately in the 3D games
Chû Totoro
Member
A lot of people are used to open world 3D... you don't fall, you don't fail, etc.
People think platformers are easy but anyone trying to 100% a Mario or a DK game could tell you this. 100% GTA V is way easier.
Also clearly for casual or newcomers this is still an issue :/
Who cares about your mom? She's a dirty female casual who doesn't deserve to play video games.
Not being serious, but sometimes I wonder if people feel that the only games that should be made are the ones they want.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
"too difficult" and now we have babies r' us super mario 3d land/world (save for a few levels in each).
it makes me sad to read this
the problem is that it is very difficult to cater to both the dedicated and casual gamer crowds at the same time, but possible. but it rarely happens, meanwhile the casual crowd hops from game to game, platform to platform, and it can be detrimental catering to them over the more dedicated long-term fanbase (see Halo 4 online population loss).
look at mario 64's sales and long-lasting popularity among the gaming world and tell people with a straight-face that difficulty is bad. unless of course you try to chase the adhd quickplay mobile crowd but that isn't a smart long-term strategy.
it makes me sad to read this
the problem is that it is very difficult to cater to both the dedicated and casual gamer crowds at the same time, but possible. but it rarely happens, meanwhile the casual crowd hops from game to game, platform to platform, and it can be detrimental catering to them over the more dedicated long-term fanbase (see Halo 4 online population loss).
look at mario 64's sales and long-lasting popularity among the gaming world and tell people with a straight-face that difficulty is bad. unless of course you try to chase the adhd quickplay mobile crowd but that isn't a smart long-term strategy.
James Scott
Banned
DQXI which is only like that at the beginning. Also a bad example because that game is about as 3D as the top down Zelda games.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Zero²;177843140 said:I agree with Miyamoto, at least from a personal observation point. I'm the only one that can play 3D marios well in my family, everyone else is just too bothered to learn the controls, now you go to 2D games and everyone wants to play.
Same thing with splatoon
but would any of them actually buy a console and the game if you didn't?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Its important to remember also that we're not just talking about making games for "moms and dads" or whatever, but also for the kids of today who have not been playing Mario for 20 years.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
All the wrong noises I'd want to hear from Miyamoto going forward. Its got to the point now where I can't wait for him to retire and just let the new talent take over completely without him as a roadblock.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
No, stop please
outunderthestars
Banned
I see no reason why we can't have both. Nintendo just seems to be cranking out way too many 2d platformers this generation.
KuroPyonyo
Banned
Exactly!
Miyamoto just confirmed that the Mario series is now dead to me. Galaxy 2 and 3D land were such a bore with their trivial difficulty. (I didn't even bother with 3D world)
IMO Mario rpgs were garabage, Starfox and Metroid look terrible, Pokemon is stagnant, F-Zero is dead and idc about Pikmin in the least. Only worthwhile IP remaining from Nintendo is Zelda. At least my wallet is happy I guess.
NeonZ
Member
Those rabbits were a pretty bad tutorial though. I remember taking a while with them the first time I played Galaxy, even though I had completed all of Sunshine. They don't really teach anything useful for most of the game and yet can be rather frustrating.
Why? He said there's opportunity for both options.
Did you read what he actually said or just the stuff about 3D camera movement being an issue for some players?
I see no reason why we can't have both. Nintendo just seems to be cranking out way too many 2d platformers this generation.
You see, this is a sentiment I can get behind.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I was a 3yr old when Mario 64 came out... I doubt kids have become worse at this than 19 years ago.
But outside of lost level Mario games have never been that challenging.
Spieler Eins
Member
Their latest platform almost solely focusing on ,,accessible'' pseudo-2D experiences and cheap minigame schlock since launch sure is doing wonderful numbers in the current industry.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
But how easy do you find Mario 64 now?
Broken Hope
Member
The expanded audience that Nintendo use to cater for are happy playing on their phones and tablets.
Sony don't try and focus on the wider audience and they are doing just fine..
Honestly when Nintendo give interviews these days they just sound like relics of the past and it saddens me because Nintendo were my favourite gaming company and they are just so lost in the past.
SporeCrawler
Member
There are not many 3d platformers in general and many platformers or action games in 3d have limited movement options and camera to prevent nausea. If you play games like mario sunshine or mario 64 (or other 3d platformers of the n64 or gamecube era) they can be really puke inducing.