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[Uraizen]

I am amused by the people complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[sleepykyo]

Even if they fixed the bug wouldn't they still have that in the esrb? Was there no jiggle on the 1p side?

 

[Altered Juice]

 

[QisTopTier]

Even if they fixed the bug wouldn't they still have that in the esrb? Wast there no jiggle on the 1p side?

There is, it just doesn't last for 20 years

 

[A Link to the Past]

Is the glitch going to be available at launch?

 

[vulva]

Has anyone made a joke that p1 was the bugged side yet?

 

[Hubb]

Sorry for not consuming all street fighter media all the time? I didn't know it was a glitch, but we'll see how it goes. But I'm not holding much faith in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAlKC9BlUJg

 

[Boney]

Why when we have clear proof that the character select is messed up in general?
Go watch any gameplay videos. Character's hair are flipping out, clipping right through faces, necklaces just floating in midair, etc.

It might be better but it'll still be closer to DOA than SFIV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAlKC9BlUJg

That's pretty ok actually.

Outrage mode out

 

[GorillaJu]

Boobs should jiggle a little, but obviously the 2P side physics thing is way overboard and distracting. The bigger crime here is the boob clipping through the arm. It'd be ok during combat, but the char select screen shouldn't have such obvious graphical bugs.

I'm sure they'll fix both things though. Maybe ESRB rated a fixed version, where the jiggle is toned down to the right levels but still present.

 

[Hubb]

It might be better but it'll still be closer to DOA than SFIV

What does this even mean? Are you asking for no breast jiggle? If you look at the P1 side the physics looks pretty normal.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

One of the reasons I like MKX versus previous MKs is Netherrealm finally got their heads out of their asses about women character designs, actually.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

Has anyone made a joke that p1 was the bugged side yet?

nah, go for it. you'll be the first one

It might be better but it'll still be closer to DOA than SFIV

And? Nobody is saying that the game isn't supposed to have any jiggle. It's just very clear that the insane amount that's present isn't intentional. Also, SF4 had jiggle as well.

 

[Piers]

ESRB: Experience may change on 2P side.

 

[Nanashrew]

No?... Even if it's not realistic the way it's made, it's still more realistic than static. I'm saying the same thing from the start.

No one really has a problem with boobs or jiggle. The only real issue I find with the jiggle is that it's way too much. Jiggle is fine when it's done right or if the purpose of it is comedy like that Highschool DxD gif getting posted in this thread.

EDIT: And I don't think SF is attempting for comedy with the crazy breast bouncing. Someone already mentioned that the P1 side, the physics are more normal.

 

[The Lone Dragon]

The sexuality in Street Fighter is almost entirely geared towards male players. While there are instances of very handsome characters, such as bearded Ryu, Fei-Long, and Rufus, we do not see quite the degree of sexuality among the men as we do the women. In Mortal Kombat, every character can be gored in every way. It's very equal opportunity.

You two are arguing completely different points.

You're arguing the issue of gore in the context of sexism. But, the topic of gore wasn't raised in the context of sexism, it was raised with the intent of saying that gore ITSELF could be considered offensive.

Gore being "equal opportunity" doesn't change the fact that it's gore and that some people (reasonably) find it more problematic than breasts. Yet, breasts are what start massive arguments like this one, while gore is more readily accepted.

I believe THAT is the point he was trying to be make by raising MKX and its gore.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Boobs should jiggle a little, but obviously the 2P side physics thing is way overboard and distracting. The bigger crime here is the boob clipping through the arm. It'd be ok during combat, but the char select screen shouldn't have such obvious graphical bugs.

I'm sure they'll fix both things though. Maybe ESRB rated a fixed version, where the jiggle is toned down to the right levels but still present.

Agreed on all points. The clipping just makes it look shitty when it is right there in full display on the select screen. It'll likely be fine on release.

It would be great if more appropriate physics led to accusations of censorship though.

 

[QisTopTier]

It might be better but it'll still be closer to DOA than SFIV

Clearly you never played with Sakura in sf4

 

[A Link to the Past]

Ah. In that case, the argument misses the point because it's not complaining that breasts exist in a game, it's complaining that this industry has a habit of all too often making them a focal point of characters, especially in fighting games.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Oh....chun li actually looks like she is from China now, that only took the better half of my adult life to accomplish

That's just heavy makeup. She has costumes where its off.

If she actually looked like she was from China, the game would be a lot more realistic looking than its supposed to be

 

[Vlaphor]

I'm of the opinion of "tone it down for those who dislike it, yet keep it as an option for those that do like it" Make the enhanced bounce an option and the toned down the default and this way, everyone is happy.

 

[Lazulic]

i always used to play better on player 2 side and now i know why

 

[Sorcerer Supreme]

DoA dethroned

 

[A Link to the Past]

For instance, Ryu:

Cammy:

Based on these images, can it be understood why people may become a bit annoyed by stuff like this?

 

[Breads]

Looks like the community is evolving. Noone blamed it on "Japan being Japan" yet.

If they wanted realism why not first focus on how R.Mika's breasts are clipping through her arm? If it's an engine thing then just bake the animation? It shouldn't be a problem. It's probably the easiest fix to deliver.

 

[GorillaJu]

One of the reasons I like MKX versus previous MKs is Netherrealm finally got their heads out of their asses about women character designs, actually.

Even compared with the toned down MKX designs, SF5's are hardly egregious. I mean Karin and Chun are covered up completely and the proportions aren't much different at all.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

Looks like the community is evolving. Noone blamed it on "Japan being Japan" yet.

If they wanted realism why not first focus on how R.Mika's breasts are clipping through her arm? If it's an engine thing then just bake the animation? It shouldn't be a problem. It's probably the easiest fix to deliver.

Pretty sure they already touched that up if I'm remembering correctly.
Gif of R.Mika is from a super old build.

 

[Inuhanyou]

For instance, Ryu:

Cammy:



Based on these images, can it be understood why people may become a bit annoyed by stuff like this?

That's been her stage pose since her inception. Of course they are going to use it.

 

[A Link to the Past]

That's been her stage pose since her inception. Of course they are going to use it.

uh, you realize that it doesn't matter which game it comes from, right? The point is that Ryu's pose is "cool" and Cammy's pose is "sexy."

 

[E_Darkness]

That Mika gif in the opening looks fairly normal jiggle. Though that Chun-Li one that was posted is that bug which is obviously over the top jiggle.

The animations in this game are beautiful.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

One of the reasons I like MKX versus previous MKs is Netherrealm finally got their heads out of their asses about women character designs, actually.

While I generally agree, Mortal Kombat was one of the few mainstream series where I thought the over sexualised designs played to the games strengths given how MK had always thrived on juvenile over the top gore.

 

[QisTopTier]

For instance, Ryu:



Cammy:



Based on these images, can it be understood why people may become a bit annoyed by stuff like this?

Cammy cosplayers don't seem to mind

uh, you realize that it doesn't matter which game it comes from, right? The point is that Ryu's pose is "cool" and Cammy's pose is "sexy."

Nothing wrong with sexy. SF has plenty of "cool" females and different types


Going by sf5's roster.

Chun-li = cool/beautiful
R.Mika = Dorky/Over the top
Cammy = Cool/Sexy
Karin = Elegant / Snarky / Disciplined
Laura = Sexy / Cool

 

[CelticVegas]

DoA dethroned

Ehy ehy ehy DoA has "OMG" mode physics! You can't beat those!

 

[Dice//]

"Sexyness" this is not. It is caricature that treads too close to sexism for some people to stomach.

For others, it is so preposterous to behold that it divorces them from their gameplay experience and prevents immersion.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Nothing wrong with sexy. SF has plenty of "cool" females

Why do so many fighting females have to be "oozing" sex appeal like this?
So far I think every female has been just close to bursting from the shirts and the depiction of the guys is no where NEAR the way the girls have been depicted.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Cammy cosplayers don't seem to mind



Nothing wrong with sexy. SF has plenty of "cool" females

There's something wrong with sexy when in SF, the characters you would most likely call sexy are all going to be women.

Again, this isn't an attack on "sexy" or "sexual." It's an "attack" on sexualization. Where is my Ryu ass shot, for instance? Why can't I have sexy Ken poses? Why aren't Zangief's nipples rock hard?

 

[GorillaJu]

For instance, Ryu:



Cammy:



Based on these images, can it be understood why people may become a bit annoyed by stuff like this?

 

[Inuhanyou]

uh, you realize that it doesn't matter which game it comes from, right? The point is that Ryu's pose is "cool" and Cammy's pose is "sexy."

What's wrong with sexy? To begin with, there's a distinction between sexy and sexism. We should not shame sex appeal, and the kind of sex appeal that works depends on the person i'd say and their tolerance.

 

[gatti-man]

For instance, Ryu:



Cammy:



Based on these images, can it be understood why people may become a bit annoyed by stuff like this?

They have shirtless bearded sexy Ryu too. There was like a 100 page thread about it on gaf last month.

I can see why people get offended though. Like I for one don't mind either way. But I can understand why others would be upset by it.

 

[GuardianE]

Where is my Ryu ass shot, for instance? Why can't I have sexy Ken poses? Why aren't Zangief's nipples rock hard?

DLC

 

[E_Darkness]

Again, this isn't an attack on "sexy" or "sexual." It's an "attack" on sexualization. Where is my Ryu ass shot, for instance? Why can't I have sexy Ken poses? Why aren't Zangief's nipples rock hard?

I feel like we don't have the ass physics yet. I don't want Ryu ass shots until we get some good ass jiggle.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Cammy cosplayers don't seem to mind



Nothing wrong with sexy. SF has plenty of "cool" females

What about the ones that do, and add pants?

http://kotaku.com/5981959/proof-tha...ZSnKcw.1&utm_referrer=https://www.google.com/

I know that this is an invisible line that not everyone crosses at the same time. One person's sexy can be another person's exploitative. The conversation that people are having every day, in this industry and in society in general, is where that line should be realistically drawn.

Cammy is sexy and powerful. Would she be less sexy and powerful in pants? As seen above, the answer is no. So why doesn't Cammy get to wear pants?

That's the semantics of all of this. How much is too much, and why is it when it is.

 

[PfantzyPantz]

"Sexyness" this is not. It is caricature that treads too close to sexism for some people to stomach.

For others, it is so preposterous to behold that it divorces them from their gameplay experience and prevents immersion.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Dang I didn't see this, amen brother

 

[Monocle]

What show is this

Gakuen Mokushiroku: Highschool of the Dead

 

[CelticVegas]

uh, you realize that it doesn't matter which game it comes from, right? The point is that Ryu's pose is "cool" and Cammy's pose is "sexy."

Both are cool and both are sexy.

 

[igordennis]

Cammy cosplayers don't seem to mind



Nothing wrong with sexy. SF has plenty of "cool" females

How is that an argument? The popularity of certain outfits that female cosplayers use are almost completely based on how sexy they are/how little clothes they have.

And nah man women in fighting games always seem to default to sexy while the "cool" ones are the exception. Its not equal at all.

 

[A Link to the Past]

And that immediately becomes the problem. Like, do you legitimately think that Cammy and Abel had even the most remote development history? "We need to make Abel into a super sexy stud for all of the ladies." A man showing off his muscles and a woman showing off her ass are two separate things entirely. Urien treads the line, but again, even if it could be viewed as sexual (and let's say it can), dressing down like that is also a power play. Cammy showing off her ass is just sexy.

 

[Inuhanyou]

There's something wrong with sexy when in SF, the characters you would most likely call sexy are all going to be women.

Again, this isn't an attack on "sexy" or "sexual." It's an "attack" on sexualization. Where is my Ryu ass shot, for instance? Why can't I have sexy Ken poses? Why aren't Zangief's nipples rock hard?

How many pages was that "hot ryu" thread? I don't know if the devs intended for it, but that's an example of a slight change that can have a positive impact i'd say for diversity.

As for female characters, Karin is far more modest than she was before, where she originally had ass shots every time she did her forward thrusts. Yet i don't see any acknowledgement of that, only when Cammy and Mika for example continue to be the characters that were created do i see things like this.

 

[dankir]

Not lying can't wait to see some Mika Cosplay!~~

 

[GorillaJu]

uh, you realize that it doesn't matter which game it comes from, right? The point is that Ryu's pose is "cool" and Cammy's pose is "sexy."

Who actually wants to see Ryu do some sexy coquettish pose in tighty whities? All the women I talk to think men look sexiest in a good suit or leather jacket. For many, "cool" is synonymous with "sexy".

 

[Lulubop]

Soon

 

[A Link to the Past]

1. Allow me to repeat myself:

you can't compare "Ryu not wearing a shirt" to "Cammy consistently posing in such a way to give the butt/breast shot". Besides being sexy, can you tell me the value of Cammy's pose? Because I can explain shirtless Ryu's value for a good while without having to once mention physical appeal.

2. Well, if all the women you talk to say that, it must be true. :V No, I'm gonna imagine that there are plenty of women (and men) who want to see Ryu in an explicitly sexual outfit.

3. Karin being downgraded doesn't get rid of the problem, it just reduces it. The actual reduction should be accomplished by creating a proper balance between character sexuality.