You are wrong, plus it's a stupid argument either way.
Care to provide examples to the contrary then?
Seem to be having real difficulty getting good examples.
You are wrong, plus it's a stupid argument either way.
I don't think you can really show gore on network TV. I know the part in Bloodsport where Chong Li breaks that guys knee is edited out in the network TV broadcasts.
Two that come to mind I played recently, Wolfenstein and Witcher 3. Older example, Mafia (keeping tech limitations in mind).If you're going to say that, you should offer examples.
This is more of an argument for the US or GB. In continental Europe nudity isn't avoided at all cost. Graphic representations of sex certainly don't appear during prime time, but the odd book is cause for alarm if it shows up before 20:00. Even ads for shower gels show boobs an nary an eye is batted anywhere.This is an argument for television, not videogames.
It blows my mind that it's okay to show blood and gore on a show, but a naked breast is a no no.
Care to provide examples to the contrary then?
Seem to be having real difficulty getting good examples.
Not sure what qualifies as network TV, but CSI shows cadavers being picked apart, some shows show real surgeries and whatnot, then you've got Hannibal doing its thing. Oh, and then there's the news.I don't think you can really show gore on network TV. I know the part in Bloodsport where Chong Li breaks that guys knee is edited out in the network TV broadcasts.
Context is everything. If sex and nudity were used in a way to advance the story than it's fine. But nudity for nudity's sake is going too far into fan service territory.
This is more of an argument for the US or GB. In continental Europe nudity isn't avoided at all cost. Graphic representations of sex certainly don't appear during prime time, but the odd book is cause for alarm if it shows up before 20:00. Even ads for shower gels show boobs an nary an eye is batted anywhere.
Can't the same be said of violence?
Good pointSeriously, what's wrong with you guys?
Absolutely.Can't the same be said of violence?
That's why the best sex games embrace the puppetry.Sex on the other hand just plain looks stupid in videogames. 3d polygonal models are being used in games and they're basically puppets. And watching puppets getting it on is just super awkward and weird. There's not a single game out there that managed to not make it feel awkward when two puppets have sex. It just sucks.
I don't think it necessarily has to be a question of recreating reality, but the mechanics of a combat system are much more involved. Likewise representations of sex don't always have to follow a pattern with an absolutely true to life representation. They just need to find an interesting and satisfying analogue. This analogue is hard to fathom because not many are attempting it.Yeah, that's why I called out BioWare. Again, no real-life medieval combat engagement has ever gone the way a video game fight has either. Nor gunfight. You can probably get shot in the foot dozens of time until it's mush, but that doesn't mean you are now dead because you took enough shots for your HP to reach 0. You'll slowly bleed out. Games are bad at recreating real-life violence, and the more realistic they are, the more horrifying they are too.
So what? We can stand kids blowing heads but we can't stand them blowing their things? Everybody is bound to have sex through their lives, but most people will not dismember anybody. I fail to see how tits can be so bad for kids.Context is everything. If sex and nudity were used in a way to advance the story than it's fine. But nudity for nudity's sake is going too far into fan service territory.
Gamers would get really obsessive about body, breast, genital physics, as well as the realism of bodily fluids.
Sex is passive? And it's like the primary human action? I don't see your point.
So what? We can stand kids blowing heads but we can't stand them blowing their things? Everybody is bound to have sex through their lives, but most people will not dismember anybody. I fail to see how tits can be so bad for kids.
Seriously, what's wrong with you guys?
If you want sex AND violence, boy, do I have the pachinko slot for you!
I agree, we need more games where fucking IS the gameplay.It's difficult to present sex and nudity without stepping over into exploitation and discrimination, not impossible, but difficult. Violence is easy to implement as a game mechanic, while sex and nudity doesn't have an obvious place or function in most games. It needs to be added to a game and the question then becomes why is it there, if it doesn't serve any purpose or reason?
I think the problem is that games usually don't tell stories (or feature characters) where sex and nudity can be included in a logical or natural way. There are exceptions, but they're not many.
IMO
It's difficult to present sex and nudity without stepping over into exploitation and discrimination, not impossible, but difficult. Violence is easy to implement as a game mechanic, while sex and nudity doesn't have an obvious place or function in most games. It needs to be added to a game and the question then becomes why is it there, if it doesn't serve any purpose or reason?
I think the problem is that games usually don't tell stories (or feature characters) where sex and nudity can be included in a logical or natural way. There are exceptions, but they're not many.
IMO
This is more of an argument for the US or GB. In continental Europe nudity isn't avoided at all cost. Graphic representations of sex certainly don't appear during prime time, but the odd book is cause for alarm if it shows up before 20:00. Even ads for shower gels show boobs an nary an eye is batted anywhere.
When did neogaf turn this fascist? If someone wants to see animated tits and someone gives that person animated tits. How is that morally wrong? These people aren't going to turn into rapist because they saw cartoon tits. This is reaching Jack Thompson level of ignorance.
I don't think it necessarily has to be a question of recreating reality, but the mechanics of a combat system are much more involved. Likewise representations of sex don't always have to follow a pattern with an absolutely true to life representation. They just need to find an interesting and satisfying analogue. This analogue is hard to fathom because not many are attempting it.
Logical and natural way? Like love and passion? And why nudity needs a justification? Like, big revelaton, we are all naked inside our clothes! Shockkk
When did neogaf turn this fascist? If someone wants to see animated tits and someone gives that person animated tits. How is that morally wrong? These people aren't going to turn into rapist because they saw cartoon tits. This is reaching Jack Thompson level of ignorance.
Where do you pick up this shite?
It's also worth bearing in mind that violence is an active noun, nudity is a passive noun.
Games require action to be interactive. Violence is the second most basic, essential human action. It's little wonder we default to that for a game mechanic.
Nudity is a passive event or fact. It's not essential to an interactive media because 'nudity' isn't an interaction. Interaction with nudity, as a game mechanic, is more complex culturally and mechanically.
This is a more functional argument, I guess.
See my post above for one of the possible reasons why.
I mean, that sounds like complete insanity.I think it's because violence is seen as something that can be rationalised like political decisions in a war scenario, an army fight against another. Some form of warped emotionless cold-violence. The right thing to fight for that preserves our human like qualities that differentiates us from animals.
Sex is different in that regard as it exposes us as instinct driven animals, many people have problems with that and have difficulty explaining it for what it is. Violence is easier to explain out of context.
Damn, I should have become some sort of scientist or some shit like that yo...
That reminds me, I need to play her new game, Cibele.That's why the best sex games embrace the puppetry.
That was a very interesting post, thanks for sharing that.
When did neogaf turn this fascist? If someone wants to see animated tits and someone gives that person animated tits. How is that morally wrong? These people aren't going to turn into rapist because they saw cartoon tits. This is reaching Jack Thompson level of ignorance.
Blame the morality knights in the US. In Europe we have no problem with this generally.
Sex and nudity in games typically comes off as awkward and unnecessary. Honestly, I'd rather just see it implied (like Mass Effect), than thrown into a game.
Could it be some people are just uncomfortable with sex and expect other people to be as uncomfortable as them?
Lol what a concept, right?!