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[Strife91]

Wait what, can people please not misappropriate terms like fascism for such trivial things?

"noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy, absolute rule, Nazism, rightism, militarism; More
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action""

I think the term fits the people here that are trying forbid developers from creating games that doesn't fit their own preferences. Because that's what it's about. There is no evidence that "sexism in video games" have any real life impact.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Replace games with in all entertainmant and you are right. We have to protect young Jimmy from seeing boobs, but he can crush a creature to death.

 

[Atwa]

We had this debate in the 90s about video game violence. And even some in the 2000's.

Guess what the end was?

It was an acceptance that people can differentiate between fiction and real life.

Which is what should happen with nudity as well.

 

[Occam]

Puritan originated American cultural hegemony

Should have been the first post.

The American fear of the female nipple is bigoted, goes against human nature and will hopefully be overcome eventually. It's actually worse now than 30 years ago - check out some older American movies.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

It's because America is such a big market for gaming. Fucking puritanical sensibilities

 

[Angel_DvA]

No different from the film industry. The U.S. have always been prudes when it comes to sex, but mass violence is a fun time....

This.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

"noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy, absolute rule, Nazism, rightism, militarism; More
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action""

I think the term fits the people here that are trying forbid developers from creating games that doesn't fit their own preferences. Because that's what it's about. There is no evidence that "sexism in video games" have any real life impact.

What about it is nationalistic and right-wing?

 

[CadetMahoney]

Lara Croft shoving a knife in man's neck and twisting ... A ok

But put her in shorts or classic clothes .. All hell breaks through

Pretty much, previous Tomb Raider is

just with licensed skin and a "poor me" pandering narrative heh. But that's going off-topic so I'll stop here.

 

[Warxard]

This is bait.

 

[Afilador]

I think the term fits the people here that are trying forbid developers from creating games that doesn't fit their own preferences. Because that's what it's about. There is no evidence that "sexism in video games" have any real life impact.

lol

Gamergate says hi

 

[Strife91]

What about it is nationalistic and right-wing?

The act.

lol

Gamergate says hi

Bad people can be found in any community. It doesn't really make a case.

 

[Battlechili]

Well, I personally don't have a problem with violence or sex or nudity or really anything in video games. I think video games should be able to represent anything in society however the creators see fit.

But, if I had to guess why sex is such a prominent issue...Its a number of things. The US, being a large and prominent video game development place, had puritanical beginnings, and despite all this time passing its still extremely difficult to completely break from its roots. Other reasons are the rise of awareness and concern over how people are represented in games and how games affect those who play them. Art and media have some influence in the world, and video games aren't an exception. Its only natural people would be concerned with what sort of influence it has on others.

 

[Novocaine]

Good ol' western catholic guilt.

 

[mbmonk]

Possibly because sex is extremely complex ( short of the actual mechanics ). It has major physiological effects, health consequences (std), huge life consequences (children) for the individuals, it changes the relationship the two parties have, etc. All the above comes with sex unless you want your video games to just "bang hoes bro". So that is probably why it hasn't been done well in games.

 

[Da_Bears]

Maybe because of the way it gets done, I find sex and nudity in games and film as something not really lending itself to furthering the game play or the film. I prefer it to not be there or for me to be able to bypass it and get on with the game or movie.

I do not know of an action / adventure game which needs sex or nudity to progress the game. It is an action / adventure game, not a porn or romance game. Does the nudity or sex give you a power up or XP? Same with film. Why interrupt the action scene to have a sex scene? Does the sex or nudity further the plot?

I am not saying they do not have their place, but the right location, setting and type of genre. A shoot em up is a shoot em up, not a lets snuggle after we get done game.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Good ol' western catholic guilt.

Hell, when they go reason with "but because they're uncomfortable with it", if you probe why they're uncomfortable with it, it goes back to US roots.

Possibly because sex is extremely complex ( short of the actual mechanics ). It has major physiological effects, health consequences (std), huge life consequences (children) for the individuals, it changes the relationship the two parties have, etc. All the above comes with sex unless you want your video games to just "bang hoes bro". So that is probably why it hasn't been done well in games.

You can say the same with violence though. It's just that people are used to "shoot soldiers bro" that you don't see people think about it.

 

[Zaptruder]

Prudes, prudes everywhere.

I made an absurdist but truthful equivocation... but I'm not actually opposed to sex in games. Quite the opposite - would be nice to see more.

I'm just not under any illusion that the violence we allow the medium to submerge and bathe itself in completely is anything but explicit and wanton.

Now give me my AAA FPV sex orgy game, games industry!

 

[SomTervo]

Is the dick scene in

Spoiler

The Order

in all versions of the game?

... What dick scene

Good ol' western catholic guilt.

: The Thread

 

[CelticVegas]

To people that don't accept/understand the comparision:

Violence is a really BAD thing. Sex is the most beautiful thing on earth. So is nudity (sometimes lol). How, how can you be ok with gory situations and spread of blood but be disgusted by boobs, dicks and the physical act of love? I don't understand.

But if it's like people point out in their posts, this is a us thing. I live in Italy so maybe that's why i can't understand this. If america is fine with violence, sucks for them.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

"noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy, absolute rule, Nazism, rightism, militarism; More
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action""

I think the term fits the people here that are trying forbid developers from creating games that doesn't fit their own preferences. Because that's what it's about. There is no evidence that "sexism in video games" have any real life impact.

Holy fucking shit. Are you kidding me?

Please look up sexist depictions in media and the enormous impact it has on viewers. There is no greater socially impactful force than media. Media influences and shapes everything. There is decades worth of information and evidence that demonstrates how sexist, racist, political, or whatever, depictions in media change how people think, feel and act.

 

[LiK]

need better sex scenes. get those mocap actors to work harder.

 

[UnluckyKate]

... What dick scene



: The Thread

in the brothel. Full 19th century full frontal dick shot.

 

[Robaperas]

To people that don't accept/understand the comparision:

Violence is a really BAD thing. Sex is the most beautiful thing on earth. So is nudity (sometimes lol). How, how can you be ok with gory situations and spread of blood but be disgusted by boobs, dicks and the physical act of love? I don't understand.

But if it's like people point out in their posts, this is a us thing. I live in Italy so maybe that's why i can't understand this. If america is fine with violence, sucks for them.

I was just going to point out your nationality, it really makes a huge difference in how you see and relate to nudity or sex.

 

[Shuggananas]

Boobs are DISGUSTING
Beheading ? Yes please

 

[TouchMyBox]

Because there isn't a single example of sex or nudity in games that isn't awful, childish cringeworthy shite.

Wolfenstein The New Order would like to have a word with you.

 

[notaskwid]

Good ol' western catholic guilt.

Well, OP is Italian, you'd be hard pressed to find more Catholic countries than southern Europe (Portugal, Spain, Italy).

 

[Afilador]

Bad people can be found in any community. It doesn't really make a case.

It sort of makes a case when it's been going on for more than a year and it really isn't an isolated case nor the first time there's been so much harassment and misogyny to women in the industry but whatever, there isn't any problem at all, it's just some bad people and there's no proof whatsoever that sexism in videogames is a problem affecting women in real life.

 

[SomTervo]

Should have been the first post.

The American fear of the female nipple is bigoted, goes against human nature and will hopefully be overcome eventually. It's actually worse now than 30 years ago - check out some older American movies.

Did you know that after the Victorian era, it was taboo for men as well as women to show any skin except their head/hands? There was apparently a whole movement in the 1910s for men to go topless and this be okay, and the movement was successful almost immediately.

Also check out this BBC article:

Toplessness - the one Victorian taboo that won't go away

in the brothel. Full 19th century full frontal dick shot.

Is that where the rebel is having sex with a prostitute, then he gets up and tries to shoot Galahad/French guy, but they kill him quick?

If so, I remember the dick being tactfully hidden throughout. But I remember being distracted by something IRL, maybe I missed it.

 

[shandy706]

Well, do you have any examples to the contrary?

Genuine question, by the way. Not being arsey. If there's an example of sex and nudity in gaming that isn't utter nonsense then I'd be genuinely interested to know. All I can ever think about when this subject arises is Heavy Rain, God of War, The Witcher 2 and Quiet.



And by posting on a public message board, I'm assuming that's what you were after. Excellent!

South Park


Heheh...absolutely necessary...and hilarious.

 

[sublimit]

Welcome to the NA and NorthWest Europe pseudo-puritan culture.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Good ol' western catholic guilt.

Yes. America is much more Catholic than, say, OP's home country of Italy: the Catholic Capital of the world.

It is misguided to assume this has anything to do with religion. Because it's 2015 and it doesn't.

 

[SkeptiMism]

When did neogaf turn this fascist? If someone wants to see animated tits and someone gives that person animated tits. How is that morally wrong? These people aren't going to turn into rapist because they saw cartoon tits. This is reaching Jack Thompson level of ignorance.

"noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy, absolute rule, Nazism, rightism, militarism; More
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action""

I think the term fits the people here that are trying forbid developers from creating games that doesn't fit their own preferences. Because that's what it's about. There is no evidence that "sexism in video games" have any real life impact.

What are you even talking about? Seriously.

Name some names. Who is trying to forbid developers? Where? When? How is neogaf doing it?

We had this debate in the 90s about video game violence. And even some in the 2000's.

Guess what the end was?

It was an acceptance that people can differentiate between fiction and real life.

Which is what should happen with nudity as well.

Nobody's saying nudity would be anything about which people couldn't differentiate fiction and real life.

 

[SomTervo]

Well, do you have any examples to the contrary?

I responded to you previously with an example to the contrary.

 

[Hektor]

Possibly because sex is extremely complex ( short of the actual mechanics ). It has major physiological effects, health consequences (std), huge life consequences (children) for the individuals, it changes the relationship the two parties have, etc. All the above comes with sex unless you want your video games to just "bang hoes bro". So that is probably why it hasn't been done well in games.

Violence is extremely complex. It has major physiological effects, health consequences (ptsd), huge life consequences (Death) for the individuals. it changes the relationship the two parties have, etc. All the above comes with violence unless you want your video games to just "shootbang hoes bro"

Spoiler

Sorry, but i could not resist.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Seriously, what's wrong with you guys?

We are the ones in the wrong? Yeah alright, Mr Pervy McPerverson.


Sex in games is awkward, creepy and embarrassing to interact with, especially if someone else comes into the room. Explain that to your wife, why you are watching two computer generated people fuck...

 

[Boss Doggie]

Hell, sex itself doesn't really have to meaningful. So many people just have sex because. So it doesn't really need to be "deep" or "meaningful" much like how you don't need to think the repercussions of stomping a goomba.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

To people that don't accept/understand the comparision:

Violence is a really BAD thing. Sex is the most beautiful thing on earth. So is nudity (sometimes lol). How, how can you be ok with gory situations and spread of blood but be disgusted by boobs, dicks and the physical act of love? I don't understand.

But if it's like people point out in their posts, this is a us thing. I live in Italy so maybe that's why i can't understand this. If america is fine with violence, sucks for them.

You don't seem amused like the thread title says

 

[TC McQueen]

Historically, violence has always been something people were more likely to see/do everyday in America, because huge swathes of the continental US were and still are pretty rural, so people would likely see family members kill animals for various reasons. That, plus the fact that the US was first settled by Puritans and the fact that soccer moms love bitching about anything they disapprove of their children seeing, means sex and nudity aren't as tolerated in media here.

Also, given how shitty the sex and nudity we do see in games, I'm not sure that's a bad thing.

 

[CelticVegas]

We are the ones in the wrong? Yeah alright, Mr Pervy McPerverson.


Sex in games is awkward, creepy and embarrassing to interact with, especially if someone else comes into the room. Explain that to your wife, why you are watching two computer generated people fuck...

Wow. Wow. Wow.

My gf is perfectly fine with doa, quiet and all the other sexual things that you can find in videogames. Most of the complains come from male individuals, not from female.

 

[Amneisac]

We are the ones in the wrong? Yeah alright, Mr Pervy McPerverson.


Sex in games is awkward, creepy and embarrassing to interact with, especially if someone else comes into the room. Explain that to your wife, why you are watching two computer generated people fuck...

Bu..bu..but... sex is the most beautiful thing in the world! It's no natural and beautiful! Pooping is also natural but I don't need to see my PCs doing it to understand it happens.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Bu..bu..but... sex is the most beautiful thing in the world! It's no natural and beautiful! Pooping is also natural but I don't need to see my PCs doing it to understand it happens.

Did you just compare pooping with sex?

 

[CelticVegas]

Bu..bu..but... sex is the most beautiful thing in the world! It's no natural and beautiful! Pooping is also natural but I don't need to see my PCs doing it to understand it happens.

You must have reeeeally bad sex if you compare ot to poop.

 

[Battlechili]

Sex in games is awkward, creepy and embarrassing to interact with, especially if someone else comes into the room. Explain that to your wife, why you are watching two computer generated people fuck...

Its not creepy or embarrassing, its just really personal.

 

[SomTervo]

Yes. America is much more Catholic than, say, OP's home country of Italy: the Catholic Capital of the world.

It is misguided to assume this has anything to do with religion. Because it's 2015 and it doesn't.

Doesn't Italy count as 'the West'?

 

[Deceitful-Fox]

Yes. America is much more Catholic than, say, OP's home country of Italy: the Catholic Capital of the world.

It is misguided to assume this has anything to do with religion. Because it's 2015 and it doesn't.

It does, because it stems from ingrained puritanical values. That's really all there is to it. Sex is bad, unclean, deflowering. Your body is a temple, etc etc.

 

[CelticVegas]

I found this comments on IGN italy. They're on the "DOAx not in the west" news. Everyone is defending the game and no one is telling that the game is trash or is "dangerous" towards girls.

Edit: http://it.ign.com/dead-or-alive-xtr...d-or-alive-xtreme-3-non-arrivera-in-occidente

So is this really a cultural thing? I mean what you're gonna do when you go to the beach? There you can see every type of female in a bikini. And male. Whatever.

I've already pointed out how fallout 4 is really violent and pudic at the same time. Also, everyone has perfectly intact underwear but can't clean the dirt off of his face? Lol.

Or take Game of Thrones. This game is based on a show that let you see gore and nudity. In the game there's

Spoiler

a non gameplay sequence of a torture, really gory, and just a couple of naked shoulder when two of the protagonist wake up from bed.

but i didn't yet play episode 6 so maybe i'm wrong.

 

[Dr. Buni]

It amuses me how some people keep trying to make nudity something acceptable in games.

 

[Battlechili]

It amuses me how some people keep trying to make nudity something acceptable in games.

Its acceptable for film and for literature to represent the world however creators please. Why not for video games? A lot of what you'd see in R-rated films would wind up AO if in a video game.

 

[neos]

I thought outlast had the best use of nudity in videogames. Like, it made totally sense and added to the atmospehere

 

[Can Crusher]

I think it has something to do with the sort of Christians USA breeds. Violence is normal and accepted, sex is taboo. Somebody think of the children.