Nah, until you're level 50 yourself the Salamence will have an invisible cool down timer that only goes down when you explore dungeons.
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Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon |OT| Where You Are the Pokemon
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Nah, until you're level 50 yourself the Salamence will have an invisible cool down timer that only goes down when you explore dungeons.
Does this apply to every Pokemon above your level?
Seems to be as I've even had a Pachirisu need to rest on me. The higher above your level they are the fewer times you can take them out before they need to rest.
Yeah. But due to the large level gap, it'll be unavailable for a few missions after you use it.
Edit: Lol I hate when I do that, didn't notice page change =p
You will eventually get your hands on numerous high leveled Pokemon, though, so you could get a rotation going if you want. I tend to not, but I do use them occasionally.
So as long as it's lower level there's no cooldown?
From what I've seen, yeah. Close/lower in level I haven't had any get locked. But the higher it goes, the longer the downtime.
So, I just reached the theatre.
The sheer amount of items, pokemon, traps, and mechanics that they introduced in those dungeons feels like the taste of a real "final dungeon", except in manageable numbers of floors. It's at this point I've stopped liking this game and started loving it.
The sheer amount of items, pokemon, traps, and mechanics that they introduced in those dungeons feels like the taste of a real "final dungeon", except in manageable numbers of floors. It's at this point I've stopped liking this game and started loving it.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
why do these games get terrible reviews, the user score is like inverse
FleetingFlowAir
Member
Unfortunately no, which is weird since the series no longer has multiple versions. I wish all of the PMD games had save slots.
To be fair the mechanics and curve are unforgiving
ArchedThunder
Banned
"The Dark Souls of Pokémon"
Yeah but it's not "mature" so you know western reviewers
Anyway, the official Japanese youtube has uploaded 4 special episodes of plot, unavailable in the games
Episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-14nETDbZs
Episode 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZy9JoJQFug
Episode 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4NE004XfLY
Episode 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXEg2dAnCns
Twilight Gap
Member
Blue Rescue was like 56 on metacritic when I picked it up some 8 or 9 years ago and it ended up being one of my favorite games. I stopped reading reviews at that point.
PataHikari
Banned
Roguelikes never review particularly well
balladofwindfishes
Member
Blue Rescue is not a 56 game at all. 7/10 at worst.
It seems reviewers don't really get Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon games.
I'm sure they're turned off by the repitition and slow pacing, on top of the mundane story they start off with.
If you can get to the halfway point they always pick up and end up great games, but I guess I could understand why they end up scoring low. They have the deck stacked against them.
It's a genre thing for sure, pretty niche and hardcore, but I do think it's weird. Unless the game's some strange new concept when I read a review I want to know if it's a good game in its genre and not how much the reviewer dislikes that particular type of game. But hey, maybe that's just me.
Though while I haven't played Etrian Mystery Dungeon yet that game did get pretty good reviews from the looks of it. Wonder if it's really that different from PMD? I'd expect it to be similar. It's not the Pokémon branding is it?
balladofwindfishes
Member
http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/pokemon-mystery-dungeon-explorers-of-sky
54/100
Yeesh
That was one of the best Pokemon games I've ever played and easily one of the best Spin Offs since Stadium 2. It had a great story and wasn't that hard...
54/100
Yeesh
That was one of the best Pokemon games I've ever played and easily one of the best Spin Offs since Stadium 2. It had a great story and wasn't that hard...
To be fair, Explorers of Sky didn't add much over Time/Darkness. When it was announced, I was surprised of its existence
Twilight Gap
Member
It was basically the definitive version, right? I'm not sure why Pokemon always adds a third version later down the road but i always pick that one up. Docking points off of it for not adding new content seems disingenuous
balladofwindfishes
Member
Time isn't much better 60/100
I almost forgot "rehash" was a buzzword for any game Nintendo put out back in the mid 2000s that people didn't particularly care for. Even if it made no sense in context.
But...
GameSpy gets it.
At least this is one of the games where it does make sense.
Though I'm glad they abandoned the version thing for the new releases. Really made little sense before.
Agreed. It works in the main series because of the entire trade concept. It made no sense in the Dungeon series
higgsboson1997
Member
This game has really great user reviews on metacritic. Definitely looking forward to trying it out.
Twilight Gap
Member
Red Rescue was on GBA and Blue Rescue was on DS so it made sense there.
It made sense to have two versions, sure. It didn't make sense to have version exclusive Pokemon and events.
Mega Man's Electric Sheep
Member
So Explorers of Sky is way too expensive, but I can get Time for a reasonable price. Is Sky worth paying double (or triple) for?
Sky is the definitive version, with the main attraction being the special episodes which focus on characters other than you and your partner, allowing you to play as them and get some background on them. The one exception is the final special episode, which instead of showing you past events, allows you to continue the main story in a way you couldn't in Time and Darkness. Sorry for being a bit vague but it's hard to explain without spoilers, especially if you haven't played Time or Darkness first.
Anyway, while the special episodes are quite good IMO, I don't think they're worth double or triple the asking price when you can play Time/Darkness for cheaper. You can still fully appreciate the story and still enjoy an enormous post game without Sky. I didn't play Sky until just this year and never felt like the original games were missing anything.
I haven't played a mystery dungeon game in ages. Does this play anything like Shiren the Wanderer (on DS)? That was more of a "try and get to the end in one go, but unlock things along the way if you fail", where as this seems more like a story you play through. Am I completely off base?
PreyingShark
Member
You have 1 = 4, 2 = 3, and so on. lolYeah but it's not "mature" so you know western reviewers
Anyway, the official Japanese youtube has uploaded 4 special episodes of plot, unavailable in the games
Episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-14nETDbZs
Episode 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZy9JoJQFug
Episode 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4NE004XfLY
Episode 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXEg2dAnCns
But yeah they were funny and adorable. Liked them.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Battlechili
Banned
I actually have the game now!
I'm a Fennekin and my partner is a Riolu. I'm really surprised by how natural the dialogue is and how smooth the dungeon crawling is. This is a HUGE improvement over the first game. Its less strain on the eyes, and its easier to care about the characters and what's going on. They feel more real.
Don't really get why we're all kids going to school though. Kinda cool feature: The jukebox can be used even when the 3DS is on sleep, so you can close the 3DS and still listen to music from the game.
I'm a Fennekin and my partner is a Riolu. I'm really surprised by how natural the dialogue is and how smooth the dungeon crawling is. This is a HUGE improvement over the first game. Its less strain on the eyes, and its easier to care about the characters and what's going on. They feel more real.
Don't really get why we're all kids going to school though. Kinda cool feature: The jukebox can be used even when the 3DS is on sleep, so you can close the 3DS and still listen to music from the game.
Parmadillo Marshmallow
Member
In what ways is this game a rogue like? Is it just the randomized dungeons? Because I usually think of a rogue like as having to completely start over again after each death, with maybe some gold or items some small thing saved. But in this, it appears as if you have a world map, and once you clear a dungeon, you move on to the next one, etc. A little confused. And will this be too tough for a 5 year old? He loves the mainline Pokemon on 3DS.
Roguelike isn't correct for PMD. Dungeons are randomized but there's no permadeath and there's tons of dungeons with different settings and gimmicks. You don't visit too many for the purpose of just getting to the end, but rather to complete requests for other Pokemon to have them join your dungeon team.
The game's actually kind of challenging and has quite a few difficulty spikes early on. I don't know that it'd be a good choice for someone that young, but I'm not a good judge for that.
Parmadillo Marshmallow
Member
Great thanks for the reply. I think we'll give it a shot and if it's too hard, then maybe I will play it! LOL. Thanks again.
I think roguelike fits just fine, I know permadeath is a staple for the genre but I've always considered the randomly designed element to be the most important with these games. PMD's just on the more forgiving side of things... for the most part. But hey, genre definitions are a tricky thing.
That said when you're going through one of PMD's ridiculously long post-game dungeons you might as well be dying permanently if you fail deep in those things. Or at least that's how that makes me feel.
Nice! So you've only played the first game before this? I didn't realize that. Have fun~
That said when you're going through one of PMD's ridiculously long post-game dungeons you might as well be dying permanently if you fail deep in those things. Or at least that's how that makes me feel.
Nice! So you've only played the first game before this? I didn't realize that. Have fun~
HiddenWings
Member
This doesn't have the permadeath (although you do lose your money and items if your entire team is defeated), but I'd definitely still call it a roguelike. It even plays like the original roguelikes, in that the entire map takes a turn when you do, movement is tile-based, and things can kill you really suddenly.
Permadeath is one of the defining features of a roguelike, though it does veer closer to them than most, particularly with inventory and resource management.
It's a wiggly term anyway. Easier to just call PMD a dungeon crawler.
Yeah, the gameplay is in the style of a roguelike, but it's not a roguelike. Though I'd rather have people calling this a roguelike than say Spelunky or Rogue Legacy since they're on the opposite side of things, permadeath but not actual roguelike-style gameplay lol.
Battlechili
Banned
Made it to Chapter 6. I see what people meant about this game taking a while before you get your freedom. But that's okay; the dialogue and relationships are cute. I imagine it must suck to replay this game though to have to deal with the lengthy beginning.
Although I made my partner Riolu upset. I said that he can sometimes be annoying and now he doesn't walk with me anymore....
Although I made my partner Riolu upset.
I said that he can sometimes be annoying and now he doesn't walk with me anymore....
Mhm. My first and only PMD game was Red Rescue Team before this. I really loved Red Rescue Team and I was surprised at how critically unliked it was. After all the trailers and things I heard about Super Mystery Dungeon a ways before release, I got really excited and decided it was time I get back into the series.
EndlessSky
Member
So I started playing with game today. Loving it so far. The hyperactive partner really works since I chose Piplup. But can someone tell me I'm not crazy, and Red Rescue Team started off with the same story of two bullies picking on a weakling and making me go save them? I swear I've done this before lol
Also, I never knew turtwig had the ability to pull his legs in his shell like a real turtle. Amused me when he did that when he fell asleep. Glad I named the little guy Stomper
Also, I never knew turtwig had the ability to pull his legs in his shell like a real turtle. Amused me when he did that when he fell asleep. Glad I named the little guy Stomper
What are the recommended levels in this game? As it's gone on I've started to find it pretty difficult. With enemies that shoot from across the room doing half or more of my health in 1 shot (not even super effective). I dont usually bring more than 4 or 5 reviver seeds and a handful of berries which I suppose could be the problem.
Though not to sound like it's that difficult. There are plenty of items you get that can help you through dungeons (orbs,wands,etc). It's just that I can be a little stubborn using them and end up paying for it.
Basically, I'm at the Submerged Cave and lvl 21/22. Is that too low considering I keep getting 2 shotted? Or is that on par with others?
Though not to sound like it's that difficult. There are plenty of items you get that can help you through dungeons (orbs,wands,etc). It's just that I can be a little stubborn using them and end up paying for it.
Basically, I'm at the Submerged Cave and lvl 21/22. Is that too low considering I keep getting 2 shotted? Or is that on par with others?
Pokemaniac
Member
That sounds like about where I was at that point. This game (and the main story in particular) really seems to be balanced around smartly using your items.
Yyyuuuuuuppp, this spinoff series follows the same story every time. Human turned Pokemon with no memory, group of bullies, meets partner that wants adventure, bad stuff happens with the MC related in some way or blamed all together, sets off with partner on hard part of game to prove innocence, finds the reason why bad stuff is happening and the MC is the solution, defeats the bad stuff and the MC goes back to his home planet but decides to stay and the adventure continues. Rinse and repeat for every title.So I started playing with game today. Loving it so far. The hyperactive partner really works since I chose Piplup. But can someone tell me I'm not crazy, and Red Rescue Team started off with the same story of two bullies picking on a weakling and making me go save them? I swear I've done this before lol
Also, I never knew turtwig had the ability to pull his legs in his shell like a real turtle. Amused me when he did that when he fell asleep. Glad I named the little guy Stomper
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Bullies work in this game though, since you know, class and shit.