That's a fine idea, but then in practice we should have way more minority actors and actresses voicing white characters. I think we'd have an extremely difficult time finding an Asian VA for a white character in anything.
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Uncharted 4 New Character Trailer: Nadine Ross (Laura Bailey)
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That's a fine idea, but then in practice we should have way more minority actors and actresses voicing white characters. I think we'd have an extremely difficult time finding an Asian VA for a white character in anything.
Okay, this is bullshit. I can't believe this thread. It ticks all the bullshit boxes now.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Sure, and I was among the first to complain about Ridley Scott and Moses. I thought that was absurd in every way. But I think there's a considerable gap between live-action acting and voice acting that makes them fundamentally different. Like I said, part of what makes voice-acting so cool is that you're not restricted by appearances.
Take that Moses example. You could make an animated film based on Exodus, cast someone who has no resemblance to an ancient Israelite in appearance (Asian, White, Black, Hispanic, etc) but have the animated character they're voicing look like an accurate depiction of an Israelite. That's pretty neat to me.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Cheers. And yeah, it looks like an interesting podcast!
On the whole though Sony's 1st parties have been pretty good with minority representation for VAs. TC Carson being the prime example.
Welcome! Found this podcast a month ago and listened through all the episodes (like 80-100 eps) because it was so interesting. I mean he has episodes where he's interviewing an American dude who's working as a forensic scientist and professor in Japan. It's definitely more mature and informative than the stereotype "let's just geek out about Akihabara and anime!" aspect of Japan.
Welcome! Found this podcast a month ago and listened through all the episodes (like 80-100 eps) because it was so interesting. I mean he has episodes where he's interviewing an American dude who's working as a forensic scientist and professor in Japan. It's definitely more mature and informative than the stereotype "let's just geek out about Akihabara and anime!" aspect of Japan.
base shagohod
Member
Feeling like people complain about literally anything is bullshit? Sure thing, man.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Btw. will we see the fight tomorrow?
This thread makes me uncomfortable because I can kinda see both sides of the dispute on Bailey. Someone please tell me exactly what to think.
I usually hate people who rail against "outrage culture" but calling this a problem is super dubious to me. So like, ND could have made the character model white and dodged people's scorn? It's all so ridiculous.
I usually hate people who rail against "outrage culture" but calling this a problem is super dubious to me. So like, ND could have made the character model white and dodged people's scorn? It's all so ridiculous.
Hmm dont know.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, Val Kilmer played Moses in the cartoon version of the story called The Prince of Egypt. But it was also the 90s, and people just weren't prepared to talk about this stuff. It'd like to think that as a society, we're better off than we were 15-20 years ago. lol
I think you should... Play games and have fun and not give a shit about it because this will never impact you whatsoever!
As Bish said earlier (maybe in a different light): "Ignorance is Bliss" <3
Ninja don't lie! I know you got the inside deets!
Also it was a cartoon.
they better put her in Playstation All-stars 2
But... this is a video game... >_>
Pai Pai Master
Banned
She's badass.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Sure, but this is the exact same situation that we have here.
I bet if you made a Moses cartoon in 2016 and cast a white guy as Moses and Ramses, you'd get some shit.
Triggafinga
Banned
I guess its neogaf being neogaf. Just wanted to make my opinion known. I'm not offended by black gaming characters being voiced by non-blacks. If we scrutinized developers who actually put black characters in their games to this degree. Even I would be turned off. This thread just edifies why publishers would chose "bald space marine" for the non-controversial win IMHO.
The hell I do lolI think you should... Play games and have fun and not give a shit about it because this will never impact you whatsoever!
As Bish said earlier (maybe in a different light): "Ignorance is Bliss" <3
Ninja don't lie! I know you got the inside deets!
funkystudent
Member
So will Jennifer Hale pop up in this game so we can get the video game voice actor super team in a single game?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_27
Christian Bale ... Moses
Joel Edgerton ... Ramses
Amazing what Rockstar Games gets away with then for gamer outcry with voice acting then.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Lol, that'd pretty much be the whole gang assembled.
Again raising the question, so we can only have people of Israeli descent play Moses and Egyptians play Ramses? Because I'll say again, that's absurd and limiting.
We've already discussed Exodus and how that's is a different situation since it's live-action vs voice acting.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_27
Christian Bale ... Moses
Joel Edgerton ... Ramses
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, I know about the Scott movie. lol
But this is a question of voice actors, since you can't "see them", and whether or not their race matters. I can see why it does, if it matters with "real" actors.
I mean, at least try I suppose.
Is Jake Gyllenhaal anywhere near Persian? But he was the star of Prince of Persia?
(And I guess, does it matter that Nolan North voiced the character in the 2008 game?)
benicillin
Banned
We could all start by leaving Bailey out of it entirely, it's not like she did anything wrong.
I feel like posts like this one are going to be common in this thread, especially from the people who skim a few pages and do their drive by post without any context on what they're posting about.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That's the actual problem, I suppose.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Looking at this thread tells me it is amazing what Rockstar Games gets away with for voice acting then.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Looks at trailer.
Looks pretty rad.
Has a character in there who happens to be black.
Checks GAF thread.
GAF turns the entire conversation into a talk about race.
Why am I not surprised :/
Looks pretty rad.
Has a character in there who happens to be black.
Checks GAF thread.
GAF turns the entire conversation into a talk about race.
Why am I not surprised :/
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Jake is Jewish-Swedish as far as I remember. Pretty irrelevant though since we're looping back into a cycle of acting vs voice-acting.
Yes please.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
I don't know, I guess I'm a "glass half full" kind of guy. I'm sitting here celebrating the inclusion of yet another person of color in a high-profile video game, a strong black female that continues the trend of people like
Marlene in The Last of Us
Daisy Fitzroy in BioShock Infinite
Joslyn Reyes in Tomb Raider 2013
Elena in Street Fighter IV
etc etc...
This is why, at the moment, I'm not overly concerned about the VA aspect of this. A voice actor is a person that, if they do a good enough job, will make me believe in the character I'm interacting with/playing as. So in that sense, the cultural/ethnic/religious/gender background of the voice actor is not super relevant to me.
Marlene in The Last of Us
Daisy Fitzroy in BioShock Infinite
Joslyn Reyes in Tomb Raider 2013
Elena in Street Fighter IV
etc etc...
This is why, at the moment, I'm not overly concerned about the VA aspect of this. A voice actor is a person that, if they do a good enough job, will make me believe in the character I'm interacting with/playing as. So in that sense, the cultural/ethnic/religious/gender background of the voice actor is not super relevant to me.
I've read most of the thread and it isn't. This is not a big deal at all.
The bigger issue is how these developers keep going back to the same voice actors rather than anything to do with skin color.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess that's another question - should voice acting be held to the same standards as live acting?
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I think it is, sorry you don't feel the same.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
My answer would obviously be no, but you're welcome to your own ideas.
The industry should strive to have a wider diversity of actors to call upon, but they shouldn't be shoehorned into roles based on physical appearances that have no basis on their acting chops.
shortsFortallPeople
Banned
this is even on a further level because Naughty Dog doesn't just hire someone to do voice work but also for facial, motion, and overall performance capture, too. So there's another variable at play when there's a white person doing all of those things alongside the voice acting, all for a person of color. She is literally mimicking a person of color.
People watering it down as it solely being voice acting arent understanding that it isnt that simple.
I think I'd would pretty ridiculous to do so because then you'd limit every voice actor to characters of their own race which then would also limit the numbers of available characters for black voice actors.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
What I find particularly disturbing is that this is about the VA. Like, have you guys ever heard a black woman from Britain before? They sound just like this, most of the time.
Is the problem that she's got a British accent? Black women can't have a British accent and be black? Does she need to speak jive and ebonics to be considered a proper black woman?
It's just an incredibly narrow, naive way to look at this, let alone dominantly American POV at that.
Is the problem that she's got a British accent? Black women can't have a British accent and be black? Does she need to speak jive and ebonics to be considered a proper black woman?
It's just an incredibly narrow, naive way to look at this, let alone dominantly American POV at that.
keltickennedy
Member
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Video game PR. You drip feed inconsequential information to keep the hype up.
Well, I'd agree that we're all welcome to our own ideas.
xKilltheMx
Member
Black character in an uncharted game not getting shot (immediately?)...I never thought I'd see the day to be honest.
A part of me is bothered by the VA choice but I guess she was the best choice so in the end it's a non issue...Still hyped because she looks badass.
A part of me is bothered by the VA choice but I guess she was the best choice so in the end it's a non issue...Still hyped because she looks badass.
Bigger version is assumed to be shown at PSX tomorrow.
Merle Daindridge is a big name, who had a big role in the last ND game.
For all we know she's not in Uncharted 4 because she's too busy filming Greenleaf.
Sorry if this sounds disrespectful but you're addressing ideas and concerns that nobody has put forth.
These are not affected by what color a person is.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
How do you feel about Quinton Flynn voicing a female character?
Exactly. Perhaps an even better and more extreme example is Nancy Cartwright, a woman (at the time in her 30s) voicing Bart Simpson (a male child not even in his teens yet).
It has gone on to be one of the more iconic voice acting roles in the history of television. That Bart was not being voiced by a real life 10 year old voice actor was (and to me, still remains) completely irrelevant.
Audible Phonetics
Member
So many flaws in this logic.
If people didn't fight for your equality you wouldn't even be in a position to have the freedom to make posts as you are now.
Using the logic that you didn't ask to be defended is faulty, some of the best things happen on the earth with people taking the initiative.
Regardless of whether you are tired of it or not, the facts are prejudice, racism, and equality, still affect many races today.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Wait!!? Really!? Lol i never knew that! Thats actually pretty darn cool man