Obliterator
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Yeah I think this has gotta be Gen 7. I mean the last games we had were remakes. We are due for a new generation
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Pokémon Moon and Sun leaked
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So what's the general consensus?
So far I'm guessing that Sun/Moon are XY followups with a lot of new content, possibly even new areas/towns, but hardly any new Pokemon except megas and formes. On the 3DS, it's probably technically possible for them to do something peculiar with Megarna's introduction. It would be unprecedented but so were Platinum's new formes (Shaymin, Rotom, etc). But I'm leaning towards Magearna being a teaser for Gen VII who won't be catchable in Sun/Moon although I'd be fine with being surprised.
So far I'm guessing that Sun/Moon are XY followups with a lot of new content, possibly even new areas/towns, but hardly any new Pokemon except megas and formes. On the 3DS, it's probably technically possible for them to do something peculiar with Megarna's introduction. It would be unprecedented but so were Platinum's new formes (Shaymin, Rotom, etc). But I'm leaning towards Magearna being a teaser for Gen VII who won't be catchable in Sun/Moon although I'd be fine with being surprised.
Thanks dude!
I mean, sort of. It was different but it hasn't really started a trend. The last two games have been in line with previous conventions.
I might have liked that game had it not been built on the sprite-warping monstrosity that is the Gen V engine.
There is no consensus. I've seen more people thinking new X2/Y2 than Gen VII. Both are possible.
It'll be really interesting to see tomorrow.
Well, Emerald came out after Fire Red and Leaf Green. Anything is possible.
Obliterator
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No doubt but the combo of new names / the remakes is why I'm leaning that way. Could be anything though
I'm expecting the same. Volcanion from the event will be the key to unlocking Magearna at gen 7 launch.
That pretty much sums up my full bet. X and Y sequels, but much more ambitious than B2/W2. New region of Kalos in the south.
I'm also making the side bet that Zygarde Core will be a secondary starter, like Pikachu in Yellow.
lol thats crazy detailed, I mean just within the normal game events.
EDIT: Found it.
Red-Blue (Green) = RS → silver = DPPt → BW BW2 = XY
I wouldn't mind the cover legendaries being mega/alt forms of xerneas and yvetal
new gen would be cool regardless though
Lord_Byron28
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This isn't X2/Y2. For the past 2 generations they have revealed a new Pokémon the same year a new generation is revealed. Some Pokemon generations only last 3 years. Also the anime never jumps ahead of releases and they are already half a year into their Z season. It also makes little sense to give them a title that has no relation to X/Y. Now what I think is plausible is that they could do a Kanto/Johto situation where the regions are connected and you can travel between the two. Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon kinda invoke Gen 2's colors and cover legendaries. Every other gen except Gen 2 has had a red/blue version incorporated into the cover legendaries.
higgsboson1997
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You can't be more wrong dude.
The real correct rankings:
1. X/Y
2. B/W/B2/W2
3. R/S/E
4. FR/LG
5. D/P/Pt
6. OR/AS
7. R/B/Y
8. HG/SS
9. G/S/C
Benzychenz
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I want the opposite because I don't want to be stuck with 3DS games for another 3 years or so.
Z would mean the next games in 12-18 months can be gen 7 on NX.
I think I just threw up a little.
Holy shit this is literally my ranking as well! BW are my least favorite games, but BW2 made me like Unova a hell of a lot more. Hoenn and Sinnoh are the best regions and Emerald and Platinum are my favorite games overall.
HGSS are great, though.
AetherZX
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This is one of those cases where a name really is everything. With the anime they added a stylized Z to the name to let you know this arc is all about Zygarde. Zygarde forms were revealed specifically for promoting the anime arc with no hint as to when we can use these.
What the hell does Sun and Moon convey that is in any way relevant to anything currently known, datamines included, in generation 6?
I'm genuinely curious, if someone has ideas I'm all ears, err, eyes.
BewilderedDragoon
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Yeah I would much rather have Pokemon Z to close out the 3DS generation. I'm ready for NX to replace it and having the next gen of Pokemon be on that platform would be ideal to me.
Oni Link 666
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I hope it will be new games, in a new region, with old Pokemon, and a few new ones, like Volcanion and Magearna. The names don't suggest a sequel, so maybe the story ties to XY aren't the main focus, if here are any. I think it could be the new gen, but I just don't want another BW/3DS situation, so I hope it's not.
MulderYuffie
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Expecting Gen 7 hope it is.
Already Torn
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Sundials and moon dials in Gen 6 are important for Mega Evolution and the sundial is right in front of Zygarde on the movie poster, separating the solar-powered gems on his chest that are in the colors of the Sun and Moon logos.
That's it!
GasProblem
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I hope its Gen 6.5 with enough new things to make it feel fresh and that Gen 7 will be on an all new engine on the NX handheld.
Based Calla
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If we're throwinf out rankings, then I guess I'll give mine.
6) D/P/Pt: Too slow, story was fine, didn't have internet at the time so I couldn't take advantage of the online.
5) R/S/E: Water sucks, soundtrack is great, story was interesting.
4) R/B/Y: Nostalgia and the only time catching them all didn't feel impossible.
3) X/Y: The 3D environments were best and the feature like Pokemon Amie were super useful.
2) G/S/C: Most fun I had in a region, then you go back to Kanto and face your former self. Perfect game.
1) B/W: First time I cared about the story, amazing OST, the areas each felt fresh and exciting. Team Plasma was legit the only team, besides Team Rocket, whose motivations and decisions make sense.
6) D/P/Pt: Too slow, story was fine, didn't have internet at the time so I couldn't take advantage of the online.
5) R/S/E: Water sucks, soundtrack is great, story was interesting.
4) R/B/Y: Nostalgia and the only time catching them all didn't feel impossible.
3) X/Y: The 3D environments were best and the feature like Pokemon Amie were super useful.
2) G/S/C: Most fun I had in a region, then you go back to Kanto and face your former self. Perfect game.
1) B/W: First time I cared about the story, amazing OST, the areas each felt fresh and exciting. Team Plasma was legit the only team, besides Team Rocket, whose motivations and decisions make sense.
Ok, HG/SS which was a true remake, improving all the issues of G/S/C, adding the Pokeathlon (the only extra activity that makes sense and not shit stuff like contest, musicals & co), adding the Pokemons behind you and the Pokewalker are now worst games than FR/LG (who only adds the new islands, great game tough) and specially OR/AS wich was a letdown and is far inferior to Emerald. Ok.
Nice try dude.
AetherZX
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Interesting, but the Sundial thing was only true for XY (and arguably made it a chore).
Feels odd to have two games all about those conceptually.
Already Torn
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It kind of makes sense though, as much as I hate to admit it. It's in XY a lot but it's pretty vague, and I think it's sort of brought up in ORAS too. The moondial is just teased. Sun/Moon being a sequel/return to Kalos could expand on those features a lot more in relation to Zygarde.
But come onnn new gen inspired by South America! Perfect place for ancient aliens to have left Magearna, leading to Pokeballs or some shit.
higgsboson1997
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It doesn't change the fact that HG/SS were fundamentally still G/S/C. It still had the really poor pacing, bad level scaling, and incredibly bland main region that I wasn't fond of at all. As for the features you mentioned like the Pokemon walking behind you, I was never interested in that. I like FR/LG because they are a slight improvement over what I already consider to be solid games, while ORAS would be higher than R/S/E if not for Emerald, which I did find slightly better than the two and is one of my favourites(though soar was a great mechanic).
I don't have to try with personal opinions man.
Benzychenz
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Sun = mecha Zygarde from the movie that's powered by the sun
Moon = new Zygarde form powered by the moon
KiTA
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Has it really been long enough from Gen 6? It seems... early. Or am I just getting old?
PreyingShark
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I feel that if we do get new mons for some reason then it'll be at least several dozen because blowing up compatibility just for 10 - 20 like some people have speculated doesn't seem worth it.
But I do think we won't get new mons and instead it'll just be awesomesauce. We will get new megas for sure, though.
AetherZX
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Well, it wouldn't really be "perfect" in that case if there's two forms.
A Link to the Past
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The correct ranking
1. Silver > Gold - good
2. LeafGreen > FireRed - Feels like a great refinement of R/S' engine and fixes most of the problems of R/B.
3. SoulSilver > HeartGold - A fantastic remake, though because G/S is still so easily playable without too much problem, it doesn't have the impact.
4. Platinum - Where B2/W2 is the most interesting one, Platinum does the most to fix an entry in the series. A lot faster and has some nice side stuff.
5. Emerald - It's interesting - it doesn't quite make huge improvements on R/S, but I find that I cannot play R/S anymore, but Emerald is still good-to-go.
6. Black 2 > White 2 - Refines B/W and has a more interesting plot, it's also the most interesting "third" version.
7. Black > White - Commendable effort, some weirdness here and there, but I appreciated their attempts to recreate certain tropes (like the bat and the rock).
8. Green > Blue > Red - Relies on nostalgia somewhat, but I still love 'em. Too glitchy to rank higher though.
9. Sapphire > Ruby - Plot weirdness, too much water, and a limited Poke Dex for reasons I assume include wanting people to buy all five games on the GBA
10. X > Y - Good, not great, though I understand somewhat why it underperformed.
11. Yellow - It's cute, but I never was super into it.
12. Diamond > Pearl - The world is fine, the Pokemon roster is a bit meh since a lot are just evolutions, but it's REALLY slow. Like, horribly so.
13. Crystal - Ranks low due to its relatively "eh" differences
14. Alpha Sapphire > Omega Ruby - Ranks low because it feels like a product that doesn't justify itself like previous remakes did
1. Silver > Gold - good
2. LeafGreen > FireRed - Feels like a great refinement of R/S' engine and fixes most of the problems of R/B.
3. SoulSilver > HeartGold - A fantastic remake, though because G/S is still so easily playable without too much problem, it doesn't have the impact.
4. Platinum - Where B2/W2 is the most interesting one, Platinum does the most to fix an entry in the series. A lot faster and has some nice side stuff.
5. Emerald - It's interesting - it doesn't quite make huge improvements on R/S, but I find that I cannot play R/S anymore, but Emerald is still good-to-go.
6. Black 2 > White 2 - Refines B/W and has a more interesting plot, it's also the most interesting "third" version.
7. Black > White - Commendable effort, some weirdness here and there, but I appreciated their attempts to recreate certain tropes (like the bat and the rock).
8. Green > Blue > Red - Relies on nostalgia somewhat, but I still love 'em. Too glitchy to rank higher though.
9. Sapphire > Ruby - Plot weirdness, too much water, and a limited Poke Dex for reasons I assume include wanting people to buy all five games on the GBA
10. X > Y - Good, not great, though I understand somewhat why it underperformed.
11. Yellow - It's cute, but I never was super into it.
12. Diamond > Pearl - The world is fine, the Pokemon roster is a bit meh since a lot are just evolutions, but it's REALLY slow. Like, horribly so.
13. Crystal - Ranks low due to its relatively "eh" differences
14. Alpha Sapphire > Omega Ruby - Ranks low because it feels like a product that doesn't justify itself like previous remakes did
Isn't the final form the 'Complete Form'? It still might be silly to get 2 different complete forms, but a bit less so than perfect.
Gen 3 went new games -> remakes -> third version
tbh this is still my favorite order, it gives us a good break between the new game and the third version
AetherZX
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Japanese name is "Perfect Forme" iirc.
With the gemstones in the chest, a second seems redundant if anything.
I'm banking on two parallels to Xerneas and Yveltal for this new region.
Zygarde Core is going to be cool.
I'm thinking some weird new Yveltal and Xerneas megas similar to the Primal Gen 3 legendaries. You'll somehow need to use Zygarde to bring them under control.
I can understand people who dislikes the Gen2 issues (like boring Kanto and poor level curve), but when these people praises Gen3 I laugh, playing Crystal and then R/S was the only time in Pokemon story wich a new games comes with a lot of letdowns (great region ok, maybe the last great legendaries, but no more the impact of 16 gym leaders, no more day-night cycle, no more animations, worst rival, worst evil team (ok now there's Team Flare....), terrible storyline. Because remarking Gen2 cons and then don't considering Gen3 ones is only contradictory imho.....
I think that Sun/Moon will have links to Kalos and XY's story and so will be direct sequels. However Gold/Silver was a new generation of Pokemon and were direct sequels to the 1st gen games while BW2 were sequels within a generation. So I'm not totally betting against the possibility of a G/S type situation because we'd only need a few new Pokemon to consider Sun/Moon Gen VII. While I'm guessing conservatively, I wouldn't be shocked if there are new Pokemon (eg. Magearna) in Sun/Moon. It's the natural extension of the BW2 model which actually brings us full circle to the style of the very first sequel, GS.
EDIT: Another factor in favor of a new Gen is the fact that Gen V introduced 156 new Pokemon while Gen VI introduced 72. Even though Mega-evolutions helped, that's less than half as many and the smallest gen. So it's quite possible that they planned the phasing out the of 3rd game retread in favor of making a related game that also has new Pokemon. So I don't consider a "new gen" to be farfetched although the concept of "generations" could be undermined over time if GF ever chooses to add Pokemon flexibly as patches in the future. This leak actually makes the Pokemon direct more interesting because I have a number of concrete questions I want answers to now.
Pokemaniac
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Instead of two versions of the complete form, they might give you a different core to start with.
AetherZX
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Neat idea, but the kids need something badass or "cool" on the cover of these games.
I'll place my bets. It's neither a new gen or Gen 6 or gen 6.5...it's an impossible insane idea that combines all the regions into one game finally and tells a new story. It's a celebration of 20 years of Pokemon.
Just look at the logos. Pokemon Sun has Red/Ruby/Pearl undertones. The sun is also known to be Gold in color. It's light is considered to be White.
Pokemon Moon has Blue/Sapphire undertones. The moon is known to be Silver in color, and come out at night (or Black) when stars (Diamond) are in the sky.
The Sun/Moon are also somewhat opposites, like the idea of X/Y in naming.
Sure, we'll get some new Pokemon to work with and new Megas along the way. But it's a Rainbow guys. A rainbow of all the colors. And it shall be glorious.
Just look at the logos. Pokemon Sun has Red/Ruby/Pearl undertones. The sun is also known to be Gold in color. It's light is considered to be White.
Pokemon Moon has Blue/Sapphire undertones. The moon is known to be Silver in color, and come out at night (or Black) when stars (Diamond) are in the sky.
The Sun/Moon are also somewhat opposites, like the idea of X/Y in naming.
Sure, we'll get some new Pokemon to work with and new Megas along the way. But it's a Rainbow guys. A rainbow of all the colors. And it shall be glorious.
I can dream, can't I?
shiftymorgan
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How about something space based?
I know its off the rails but how about floating about protecting the galaxy with your pokemon?
I think I want the 6 gym formula disguising a little bit.
I know its off the rails but how about floating about protecting the galaxy with your pokemon?
I think I want the 6 gym formula disguising a little bit.
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