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[Dash_Riprock]

The Lost World watches were awesome too. I actually found all four of them in my attic a couple years ago. They needed new batteries but with them they still worked fine, though the one with the fossils in liquid had dried out so it didn't work anymore.

 

[Messypandas]

With China and Japan getting the move at the same day, couldn't this be a new record at the BO WW? Star Wars: TFA made 530m. Well, probably not, but it could get close.

With four films of the all time top ten having been released in 2015 i'm going to say its possible. They've been very smart handling China.

 

[Can Crusher]

Probably won't make a lot of money because it's too smart and deep for its audience. Or so I've read.

 

[y2dvd]

People were still talking about Batman & Robin when Begins came out.
Most of my friends wouldn't go to see it with me because of that.

BB deserved to do much better. Movie was so good.

 

[Magwik]

Probably won't make a lot of money because it's too smart and deep for its audience. Or so I've read.

Good thing what you read was a bunch of bullshit then

 

[Schweinehund]

$300M is nearly impossible for March. There won't be as many screens as Star Wars, most people are back in school, and it doesn't have the Disney marketing machine behind it. Star Wars was literally everywhere and didn't top $250M OW, which the stars basically aligned for that to happen. Yes Batman and Superman are huge characters, but their prominence in culture has significantly dwindled as of late. TV shows/ cartoons? Nope. Just Direct to DVD Bat-Family films. could it blow up and surprise everyone like Jurassic World? Sure, but don't expect it to happen.

i don't think it will make 300m but a tleast for opening weekend in America, students will have that friday off. I think it will meet WB's expectations at the least.

 

[The Maverick]

I've got 120M opening weekend.

 

[Ushay]

Batman sells, this movie will make bank on that basis alone.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

With China and Japan getting the move at the same day, couldn't this be a new record at the BO WW? Star Wars: TFA made 530m. Well, probably not, but it could get close.

It might, honestly. That worldwide simultaneous release is going to make a big difference, definitely. It won't break Star Wars' opening weekend record domestic - but it's going to have China. And even if it doesn't set the world on fire in China, that's still a pretty big advantage for BvS

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

I think between Civil War and BvS, it will be pretty close at the box office. We all know the Marvel stuff pulls in the numbers but Batman and Superman (especially Batman) can do big numbers too. Both should do great but I might give a slight edge to BvS.

But as for movie quality, I expect Civil War will be the better made movie. The Russo Bros delivered big time with Winter Solider, and Civil War is looking every bit as good, if not better.

BvS is only the second connected DC Universe movie, following Man of Steel (which was good, but not Winter Soldier good) and Zack Snyder movies can be hit or miss, so I expect BvS to be more style over substance, like a lot of his movies, but hopefully still very entertaining.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

It might, honestly. That worldwide simultaneous release is going to make a big difference, definitely. It won't break Star Wars' opening weekend record - but it's going to have China. And even if it doesn't set the world on fire in China, that's still a pretty big advantage for BvS

Wasn't Jurassic World another simultaneous release? That made $100m opening weekend in China, and a then record $208m in USA and got to about $511m worldwide weekend.
I don't know if BvS will open that huge worldwide, but we shall see.

And yes, China is a big advantage.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I think it's possible. I'm not sure it's entirely plausible, though.

I'm not sure it's gonna clear 200 mil over the 3 day, and I'm not sure what China's gonna do at all. I'm never sure what China's gonna do, really.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

China is always the wildcard. If this were a Chinese co production or had some tie in like Marvel did with Iron Man 3, that could tip it a bit.

I was looking at the box office openings in China, and there isn't much of anything DC to go by there. Man of Steel opened to only $25.9m, and can't find Dark Knight or TDKR on the chart so I don't know if those got released there.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

The fact Man of Steel had an opening at all could help it in terms of audience familiarity. That market is just so big and volatile, it's hard to get a solid sense of what it's going to do with any reliability. Most of us B.O. dorks found that out when we were doing our Star Wars winter camp of whatever that was, heh.

 

[fr0st]

Even that's a bit too optimistic, there was probably the most thirst for DC movies for the Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, and both of those did $160 million for their opening weekends. I don't see why BvS would do much more, I doubt there are that many people who would go see a Superman movie but not a Batman movie but you'd need those people to make more money.
Man of Steel was also kinda crappy and people aren't thirsting for a sequel, it will make a lot of money but it won't come close to 200 million.

If WoM is good 3d can push it to 180M+.

 

[icespide]

If it does, it's not comparable.

MOS made more than Iron Man. BvS is their second film, so should only be compared to the second film from the MCU box-office wise. So let's see if it can do more at the box office than...

The Incredible Hulk.

this makes no sense at all

 

[Sibersk Esto]

If it does, it's not comparable.

MOS made more than Iron Man. BvS is their second film, so should only be compared to the second film from the MCU box-office wise. So let's see if it can do more at the box office than...

The Incredible Hulk.

That's ridiculous

 

[IconGrist]

this makes no sense at all

That's ridiculous

Funny how that makes no sense but people had no problems comparing MoS numbers to the best the MCU had to offer.

 

[icespide]

Funny how that makes no sense but people had no problems comparing MoS numbers to the best the MCU had to offer.

you're right. I'm sure WB will be happy as long as BvS performs at least as good as the Incredible Hulk

 

[IconGrist]

you're right. I'm sure WB will be happy as long as BvS performs at least as good as the Incredible Hulk

Lol no. Just thought it was funny how MoS used to get laughed at because TWS and GotG made more overall without accounting for brand following.

 

[icespide]

Lol no. Just thought it was funny how MoS used to get laughed at because TWS and GotG made more overall without accounting for brand following.

dude it's superman are you kidding me?

 

[IconGrist]

dude it's superman are you kidding me?

You must think Superman is like Batman nowadays. He's not. Superman isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

I'll give you a sample. Go into the Gaming side. Search for Superman and read on. Then come back here and tell me you're implication fits.

 

[clay_ghost]

You must think Superman is like Batman nowadays. He's not. Superman isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

I'll give you a sample. Go into the Gaming side. Search for Superman and read on. Then come back here and tell me you're implication fits.

You are saying that Superman is a lesser brand than GotG before GOTG was release?

 

[IconGrist]

You are saying that Superman is a lesser brand than GotG before GOTG was release?

I'm saying Superman's brand value isn't what people assume it is just because he's the most well known superhero.

 

[PeterLegend]

Should make at least 100 million in US box offices for the opening weekend. I mean DeadPool made 145 million in the US during the open weekend.

 

[icespide]

You must think Superman is like Batman nowadays. He's not. Superman isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

I'll give you a sample. Go into the Gaming side. Search for Superman and read on. Then come back here and tell me you're implication fits.

ok so what exactly is your original point then? We should only compare DCCU movies to the lowest performing MCU movies? Or we shouldn't compare them at all?

 

[Messypandas]

Are we dick waving about the B.O receipts again? Ok Hancock made almost twice as much as Batman Begins did at the box office ergo Hancock is twice as popular as Batman.

 

[IconGrist]

ok so what exactly is your original point then? We can only compare DCCU movies to the lowest performing MCU movies? Or we shouldn't compare them at all?

My original point was people used to cherry pick what got compared to Man of Steel in order to make the MCU look better. Which was ridiculous then but no one really ever got called out on it. The reverse happens and it's immediately "No! That's bullshit!"

 

[icespide]

My original point was people used to cherry pick what got compared to Man of Steel in order to make the MCU look better. Which was ridiculous then but no one really ever got called out on it. The reverse happens and it's immediately "No! That's bullshit!"

You honestly think pointing out that The Winter Soldier or GOTG performed better than a superman movie is cherry picking?

 

[IconGrist]

You honestly think pointing out that The Winter Soldier or GOTG performed better than a superman movie is cherry picking?

Sequels in an extremely successful franchise who had at that point earned a large amount of goodwill being compared to a movie about a character who's last decwnt movie was over 30 years ago seems a bit ridiculous to me, yes.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I'm saying Superman's brand value isn't what people assume it is just because he's the most well known superhero.

Batman is the most well known superhero, not Superman.

 

[IconGrist]

Batman is the most well known superhero, not Superman.

Popular? Yes. Superman is more well known. And this post actually backs up my point about his failing popularity that someone thinks this nowadays.

 

[Can Crusher]

Batman is the most well known superhero, not Superman.

I dispute that. I think Superman is more recognizable worldwide.

 

[shoreu]

Popular? Yes. Superman is more well known.

No batman and Spiderman are at the top

 

[BigBossVanzetti]

I couldn't care less about how much filthy nerd cash execs are swimming in. I want characters I love to be portrayed EXCELLENTLY. That's why everyone was so happy about Deadpool. There was real love for the character beyond just making a boatload of cash with it. I want Batman to have a shot with a more comic accurate presentation. I want Superman to be taken credibly but to also be fun and inspiring.

I'm sure it will be a decent movie. MOS, TDKR, IM3, Thors, Cap1 were all decent movies and I would consider them all successful. Most comic book movies are a pretty good time, even the bad one's are worth seeing just to talk about. I just hope it's a fun DC movie. I hope it ends well with a heroic moment or with some greater deed.

 

[IconGrist]

No batman and Spiderman are at the top

I'm not disputing their popularity and brand recognition but Superman is on another level when it comes to public knowledge. When is the last time you saw a movie with Batman or Spider-Man in the title that had nothing to do with those characters? Or heard a song that references either of them. Compare that to Superman.

 

[Messypandas]

Batman is the most well known superhero, not Superman.

Depends what you mean, the Superman logo has been for a long time one of the top 10 recognised symbols in the world, along with the Christian Cross and McDonalds logo. That doesn't mean kids are buying his comics in Uganda or anything. Batman may be peoples personal favourite, but Superman is more recognised.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

Sequels in an extremely successful franchise who had at that point earned a large amount of goodwill being compared to a movie about a character who's last decwnt movie was over 30 years ago seems a bit ridiculous to me, yes.

Call me crazy but I think DC was probably shooting for numbers around the higher-grossing Marvel movies when they launched their superhero universe with one of the most recognizable superheroes of all time. "Well maybe we can go toe to toe with the MCU someday!" Is probably not the mentality they went in with.

 

[BigBossVanzetti]

GOTG made the money it made because it was full of fun new characters, fresh to audiences, and of top tier quality. MOS had a very popular character who has failed in film for the previous fifteen years in an above average action movie.

Quality usually wins. Also the Marvel brand sells seats.

 

[IconGrist]

Call me crazy but I think DC was probably shooting for numbers around the higher-grossing Marvel movies when they launched their superhero universe with one of the most recognizable superheroes of all time

After Superman Returns and Green Lantern really shit on the brand I very much doubt what they wanted and what they expected lined up. People don't just reset after every movie. You can look at Amazing Spider-Man movies and see that.

 

[Briarios]

Opening weekend will be huge ... The real tell will be the second weekend, though.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

After Superman Returns and Green Lantern really shit on the brand I very much doubt what they wanted and what they expected lined up. People don't just reset after every movie. You can look at Amazing Spider-Man movies and see that.

So you think that they started their cinematic universe with the idea that maybe someday they could live up to Marvel? Sorry, but I really doubt they expected to do anything but come out of the gate swinging. They want to make money now, not make money eventually someday. And if we're gonna talk about the brand, we're gonna bring up Green Lantern and leave out the fact that Christopher Nolan's name was all over the trailers? Like, really?

 

[G-Fex]

GOTG made the money it made because it was full of fun new characters, fresh to audiences, and of top tier quality. MOS had a very popular character who has failed in film for the previous fifteen years in an above average action movie.

Quality usually wins. Also the Marvel brand sells seats.

I didn't give a shit about any of the characters.

 

[Penguin]

Call me crazy but I think DC was probably shooting for numbers around the higher-grossing Marvel movies when they launched their superhero universe with one of the most recognizable superheroes of all time. "Well maybe we can go toe to toe with the MCU someday!" Is probably not the mentality they went in with.

And at the time of release?

Only two MCU films had grossed higher than Man of Steel. Granted, I'm sure they wanted to be higher, but people talk like the film was a complete flop at times.

On the other end of the scale, people forget that Superman has been a disappointment in cinema for like 2 decades at that point. A string of Superman 3, 4 and Returns wasn't instilling a ton of confidence in people when Man of Steel dropped. Same reason Begins is one of the lowest grossing Batman film.

The real story for MoS' box office run really should be it's 2nd weekend drop. Which was on the higher end, which is worrying for the reception. But then you look at home video (old term!) sales and they were pretty damn solid. So who knows where general audience sit with their opinion on it.

Ramble, ramble, ramble I guess.

But The Avengers>Iron Man 3>MoS at time of release. Since then GoTG/TWS/AoU have out-grossed it.

Or less than half of the MCU films have grossed higher.

 

[shoreu]

I'm not disputing their popularity and brand recognition but Superman is on another level when it comes to public knowledge. When is the last time you saw a movie with Batman or Spider-Man in the title that had nothing to do with those characters? Or heard a song that references either of them. Compare that to Superman.

Just about every rapper references Bruce Wayne.

How many batman parody Vids are on YouTube, vine, and twitter.

How good batman's TV shows and how much screen time he gets on shows where there both on.

Hell I'm sure more people know of Bruce Wayne than Clark Kent.

 

[Schweinehund]

Do we even have an article that said WB's expectations or whether or not they met it for MoS?

I thought it was impressive, even by super hero movie standards. I'm sure they wanted something more agreeable with critics though.

Eitherway I'll be pleased so long as I get my Shazam movie.

 

[farisr]

Superman is the most well-known superhero throughout the world, without a doubt.

Batman and Spiderman are both liked more though.

Just based off my experience having been to, and lived in, various countries.

 

[Window]

Just about every rapper references Bruce Wayne.

How many batman parody Vids are on YouTube, vine, and twitter.

How good batman's TV shows and how much screen time he gets on shows where there both on.

Hell I'm sure more people know of Bruce Wayne than Clark Kent.

How many of those rappers and vids/vine makers live outside the western world? I think in terms of global awareness, superman is more well known. I have nothing to back this up with.

 

[IconGrist]

Just about every rapper references Bruce Wayne.

How many batman parody Vids are on YouTube, vine, and twitter.

How good batman's TV shows and how much screen time he gets on shows where there both on.

Hell I'm sure more people know of Bruce Wayne than Clark Kent.

We will have to agree to disagree. In my experience I have seen way more Superman. Even on Twitter and YouTube. There are entire songs about Superman or about being like Superman. In all my years I have not once heard about a rap song about Batman that wasn't part of a movie soundtrack. The Nolan Batman movies helped get Batman out there but Superman still reigns king in recognition.

And shows directly controlled by WB don't count. We are talking outside of DC/WB.

 

[guek]

Sequels in an extremely successful franchise who had at that point earned a large amount of goodwill being compared to a movie about a character who's last decwnt movie was over 30 years ago seems a bit ridiculous to me, yes.

I think you have a point but comparing MoS directly to the first wave of MCU films isn't completely fair either. Expectations for MoS definitely started out higher as one of the first major post-Avengers superhero movies and with Christopher Nolan's name plastered all over the marketing.

I didn't give a shit about any of the characters.

This may come as a huge shock to you but your opinions don't represent everyone else's. Audiences became completely enamored with the characters in Guardians. You pretending otherwise while pushing your own reaction as the only one that's valid means you're either delusional or self absorbed.