Cabbagehead
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Since was knee jerk reaction to politics a gaf exclusive problem?
Never said anything about it being exclusive.
Since was knee jerk reaction to politics a gaf exclusive problem?
Never said anything about it being exclusive.
So minorities people are just supposed to believe- you know what? fuck it. I'm so over this election cycle. can't wait for Hillary to get the nomination.They don't care for what you're trying to actually argue here. Facts of Bernie's long history throughout the years on civil rights for minorities be damned, I guess.
They don't care for what you're trying to actually argue here. Facts of Bernie's long history throughout the years (and in present day) on civil rights for minorities be damned, I guess.
This thread is a prime example on why politics and neogaf don't mix. Knee jerk nation
So minorities people are just supposed to believe- you know what? fuck it. I'm so over this election cycle. can't wait for Hillary to get the nomination.
Saying racial inequality comes from income inequality is ignoring racial inequality.
[there are] five central types of violence waged against black, brown and indigenous Americans: physical, political, legal, economic and environmental.
There is no other reason for you to post that photo other than to insinuate that Bernie is a Special Snowflake for marching with MLK.
A picture's worth a thousand words.
They don't care for what you're trying to actually argue here. Facts of Bernie's long history throughout the years (and in present day) on civil rights for minorities be damned, I guess.
Bill Clinton moved the country further left than it was given to him.
Saying racial inequality comes from income inequality is ignoring racial inequality.
Liberal is a spectrum and it is not well define. There is no checkpoint on the liberal scale.Bernie wasn't liberal enough for SC according to the polling. So yes, be damned. His message didn't get across.
So you are saying bill was less liberal than Bush and Reagan?
Not entirely no but it is a part of it.
That's not ignoring it. It's at worst using different optics when he should be more specific in addressing the specific race based issues.
So minorities people are just supposed to believe- you know what? fuck it. I'm so over this election cycle. can't wait for Hillary to get the nomination.
Liberal is a spectrum and it is not well define. There is no checkpoint on the liberal scale.
Maybe those minorities consider racial equality far more left on the liberal scale than do whites. Which is logical because although whites can be liberal, very few of them need to concern themselves with racism.
So yes, Bernie can be seen as less liberal depending on what you consider important.
So you are saying bill was less liberal than Bush and Reagan?
If you believe. Cool.
But you would be wrong. So yes bill moved the country to the left of Bush and Reagan.
Bernie says that racial inequality comes from income inequality?
Here is a snippet from his website's page on racial justice:
Not entirely no but it is a part of it.
That's not ignoring it. It's at worst using different optics when he should be more specific in addressing the specific race based issues.
Why are you making up boogiemen? No one is saying that. Bernie is being criticized for his constant pivoting to class and Wall Street when addressing racial injustices. I don't give a flying fuck if he marched with MLK, what's Bernie going to do today about racial injustice.No. I'm just refuting this idea that "Hillary Bros." constantly push that he doesn't fight for civil rights. That's just character assassination that is patently false and outright ridiculous.
I'm voting for whoever gets the nom., I've made that clear numerous times. I've also made clear numerous times how I'm over the behavior of certain others as well. So, yes, fuck it from me too. But for similar reason as you on the Bernie side of things.
Not entirely no but it is a part of it.
That's not ignoring it. It's at worst using different optics when he should be more specific in addressing the specific race based issues.
It's completely opposite of the conventional narrative and goes to show how poor he is at getting his message out. We're talking 1 in 3 black voters here- the race began the moment he entered a year ago and the fact that he couldn't get his point across despite outspending her is staggering. Maybe pouring all resources into Iowa and New Hampshire wasn't such a great idea.
Facts like being the Senator of a state with one of the highest black incarceration rates in the country and refusing to speak with leaders in that state about that issue.
Shining beacon of Civil Rights right here.
It's completely opposite of the conventional narrative and goes to show how poor he is at getting his message out. We're talking 1 in 3 black voters here- the race began the moment he entered a year ago and the fact that he couldn't get his point across despite outspending her is staggering. Maybe pouring all resources into Iowa and New Hampshire wasn't such a great idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VermontThat's just outright false. The dude focuses on multi-facated issues regarding incarceration and has for some time. Education, legal, economic, frankly racist etc. issues impacting the issue have been at the forefrontHe also fought for the rights of wrongly-accused and on softening the cruelty of the prison system itself. And by looking up incarceration rates for just two seconds I can see that your claim of Vermont having one of the highest black incarceration rates is false. Hell, Vermont has some of the lowest incarceration rates across the board in comparison to other states. Is there still an issue? Of course there is. Is it the lowest for rate of black incarceration? Nope. But to claim it's one of the highest is by all data false.
Sources:
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_incarceration_rate
how many do they jail? all of them?94.3% of the population identified as white not of Hispanic or Latino origin in a
2013 US Census estimate. Vermont is the second whitest state in the Union.
That's just outright false. The dude focuses on multi-facated issues regarding incarceration and has for some time. Education, legal, economic, frankly racist etc. issues impacting the issue have been at the forefrontHe also fought for the rights of wrongly-accused and on softening the cruelty of the prison system itself. And by looking up incarceration rates for just two seconds I can see that your claim of Vermont having one of the highest black incarceration rates is false. Hell, Vermont has some of the lowest incarceration rates across the board in comparison to other states. Is there still an issue? Of course there is. Is it the lowest for rate of black incarceration? Nope. But to claim it's one of the highest is by all data false.
Sources:
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_incarceration_rate
Yes, the person who runs Bernie's website made a very nice page. Problem is, the man himself, the person we're suppossed to be voting for, consistantly pivots to income inequality any time racial injustice comes up when he's on the stump.
So yes, Bernie SAYS that racial inequality comes from income inequality.
Supporting the war on drugs, gutting welfare, and repealing Glass-Steagall are not liberal things. Clinton was a moderate Republican President.So you are saying bill was less liberal than Bush and Reagan?
If you believe. Cool.
But you would be wrong. So yes bill moved the country to the left of Bush and Reagan.
Here is my theory ,when you made that comment you failed to realize who the previous 2 presidents were.
Why are you making up boogiemen? No one is saying that. Bernie is being criticized for his constant pivoting to class and Wall Street when addressing racial injustices. I don't give a flying fuck if he marched with MLK, what's Bernie going to do today about racial injustice.
1.2% of Vermont's population is black
10.7% of Vermont's prison population is black.
The fact that you couldn't even get that right speaks volumes on how oblivious you really are on these issues.
No, it is a symptom of racial inequality, not tbe cause. A black man who makes the same money and has the same education as a white man does not have the same liberties as that white man. Bernie talks about treating a symptom, which means he's ignoring the actual virus.
Go look up Black Wall Street and what White Supremacy does when black people try to do for themselves.
2016 reddit is 2008's hillary is 44. the right sidebar image still cracks me up.
http://www.hillaryis44.org
Income inequality exacerbates the problem.
I have admitted that Bernie could do better to site specific issues and not bring it back to income inequality... But it is one of the factors in racial inequality. It certainly isn't the only one and it certainly isn't the main cause for racism in the country. I agree.
I would love if Bernie did more himself when it came to the debates but I feel like at this point he's damned if he does damned if he don't when it comes to appeasing this mindset that Bernie Sanders doesn't care about racial inequality or that he ignores it.
I know about Black Wall Street.
Supporting the war on drugs, gutting welfare, and repealing Glass-Steagall are not liberal things. Clinton was a moderate Republican President.
It seems you don't understand what is being argued.Supporting the war on drugs, gutting welfare, and repealing Glass-Steagall are not liberal things. Clinton was a moderate Republican President.
I'm speaking to the fact of an all state comparison, which is what you claimed. Vermont is frankly one of the lowest when we look at the numbers for black incarceration. As I stated, it falls in a grouping of 2,200. Still not acceptable by any means. But it's nowhere near the highest. And many are in this grouping. The only grouping lower is around 1,600 on average and there are many that are far far higher. And with incarceration across the board, it's one of the lower states period. I even posted facts backing this up.
Probably LBJ maybe Carter. I'd have to read up more on Carter, though.So who was the most liberal Democratic president in the last 50 years then?
Probably LBJ maybe Carter. I'd have to read up more on Carter, though.
I'm going to speak slowly and use small words.
In America in general, the percentage of blacks in the prison population is 3 times larger than in the general population.
In Vermont, it is ten times larger.
This is an insane amount of over representation in the prison population and one of the highest in the country. This is what I am talking qbout. The fact that you can't seem to comprehend this tells me I shouldn't bother wasting time with you. You, ironically, have this in common with your candidate.
Keeping the country center-right is not moving us left. This thread is hilarious.It seems you don't understand what is being argued.
We haven't had liberal president since possibly Jimmy Carter.
We have had presidents who are LEFT of of the center.
Everything you said is true, bill wouldn't be called a pure liberal neither would Obama. Or both of them are on the lower spectrum of liberal.
The statement was: Bill moved the country to the left and the answer is yes. That's undisputed. Left doesn't mean he was a full hard on liberal, it means he wasn't entirely conservative.
I'm going to speak slowly and use small words.
In America in general, the percentage of blacks in the prison population is 3 times larger than in the general black population.
In Vermont, it is ten times larger.
This is an insane amount of over representation in the prison population and one of the highest in the country. This is what I am talking qbout. The fact that you can't seem to comprehend this tells me I shouldn't bother wasting time with you. You, ironically, have this in common with your candidate.
Keeping the country center-right is not moving us left. This thread is hilarious.
It seems you don't understand what is being argued.
We haven't had liberal president since possibly Jimmy Carter.
We have had presidents who are LEFT of of the center.
Everything you said is true, bill wouldn't be called a pure liberal neither would Obama. Or both of them are on the lower spectrum of liberal.
The statement was: Bill moved the country to the left and the answer is yes. That's undisputed. Left doesn't mean he was a full hard on liberal, it means he wasn't entirely conservative.
Ah yes, the warmonger and the one termer who endorsed Mitt in 2012 and gave us Reagan.
Moving the country to center right from hard right under Reagan is the very definition of moving left.
Keeping the country center-right is not moving us left. This thread is hilarious.
Ah, thanks for insulting me and not looking at the facts of the matter. Just what I expect of "Hillary Bros." at this point. Not that I haven't already been insulted endlessly or told I can't be a true Democrat/true x minority by Hillary Bros. Now you just want to outright say I'm stupid. Thanks.
I have not denied that black incarceration is a problem. I am refuting your claim that Vermont has the highest among all states. The facts do not back your claim. And the claim Bernie did nothing either is also patently false as I already demonstrated. I even posted the facts on this matter and you still repeat these blatant falsehoods.
The links you posted have literally nothing to do with my statement, that's why I'm not bothering addressing them. What other states have a black prison population that is 10 times higher than its general black population. The fact that you somehow cannot separate "general incarceration rate" and "black incarceration rate" is a poor reflection on you and your candidate.
With every President since Nixon, we've been moving Right. Nice try, though.
With every President since Nixon, we've been moving Right. Nice try, though.