Ganzlinger
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Looked lame, like direct-to-video or something from SyFy. No surprise.
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Gods of Egypt director has meltdown on Facebook, critics are "deranged idiots"
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BotoxAgent
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The trailers was absolute shit and totally turned me off from seeing the movie. It looked like a green screen CGI fest. It looked like a bad video game, no weight....no real cinematography involved. Just a lot of noise and stimulation. That's what the trailer made it look like.
Nemesis121
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Hollywood will never make a correct Egypt movie...
Except he is LITERALLY ranting about film reviewers that actually DID watch the film? So... no, he isn't right. They watched his film and didn't like it. Get over it.
JimJamJones
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He made Knowing. He should not have been allowed to make another movie.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Sure, but art exists in the current world context. Whitewashing the hell out of this just highlights how out of touch every part of this would be, and I don't blame everyone for looking at the trailer or still images and not being able to relate to this at all. Reminded me of Mortal Kombat in its style, a movie from 1995.
You Are Viewtiful
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LOL this is the most accurate description of the movie I've seen.
mckmas8808
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What are these movies that "critics" all get around the camp fire to decided to roast? Sometimes a product or piece of media is just that bad.
Yeah, I'm pissed a movie about Egypt doesn't seem to have a single Egyptian or brown person in general, and has the main gods played by Gérard fucking Butler and some other white dude from Game of Thrones.
Sorry my bias is showing.
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Sorry, but I think artists are entitled to push back at their critics. Criticising stuff is easy, people do it every day on this site and the truth of the matter is that there isn't an awful lot of difference qualitatively between many "professional" reviews and those of amateurs/fans on message boards.
Honestly, I really wonder why anyone gives a shit what these people say. Let alone defend them when one of their subjects retorts.
Honestly, I really wonder why anyone gives a shit what these people say. Let alone defend them when one of their subjects retorts.
Count Dookkake
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Messofanego
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Exodus flops, Gods of Egypt flops.
I think this sends a PRETTY CLEAR message to Hollywood that maybe you should get a diverse cast if you're gonna have a movie about Egyptians!
I think this sends a PRETTY CLEAR message to Hollywood that maybe you should get a diverse cast if you're gonna have a movie about Egyptians!
brandonh83
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No doubt, but I find his approach in this instance to be in incredibly poor form. He comes off as a child and isn't really making any legitimate arguments, especially toward the critic that liked the movie that never made any rude remarks toward Proyas.
captainnapalm
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It's a shame, because he really has made some great movies. I saw the trailer for this thing and it just looked awful, couldn't believe when I saw it was Proyas.
mckmas8808
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But Starship Troopers got a 63% on Rotten Tomatoes (out of 59 reviews) and The Thing got a 80% on Rotten Tomatoes (out of 50 seperate reviews).
The both reviewed ok to great. Not sure what you mean.
wtf is that?!
Ganzlinger
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True, but to be honest, the only Egyptian movie we really want is Yu-Gi-Oh.
Bubba_Sparks
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I haven't watched the movie, but the trailers I've seen looked like total trash! I mean, it looked like it had K-Mart level special effects and soap opera TV acting. Amongst the worst trailers I've ever watched! So while I get that maybe the critics were a little too harsh in some ways, I don't think the poor reviews were a reflection of heard mentality amongst critics. It just looks like a horrible movie.
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Count Dookkake
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Those numbers don't accurately reflect critical consensus upon release. Both were widely panned and underwent critical reassessment as the years passed.
This is a movie I'll see listed on Netflix, laugh while going "oh right, this fucking thing. I remember that director's hissy-fit and the gross racial politics with the casting." I'll then skip to the next movie and continue to not give a fuck about Gods of Egypt beyond that.
Because what I described is this movie's legacy. A temper tantrum and a gross reminder of how behind Hollywood still is in-regards to representing people of colour.
Tertullian
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Rotten Tomatoes launched in 1998, and thus does not reflect the initial reception of any movie from before 1998.
Count Dookkake
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Yup. It's kinda funny when people think Rotten Tomatoes reveals anything about history.
mckmas8808
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I thought they back filled reviews from old newspaper articles and magazines pre 1998. Thanks for the info.
Scientist Supreme!
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Sure but have a better reason to do so besides "I'm upset that people didn't like my movie"
Because that's all this really is.
Vigilant Walrus
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I don't think diversity would make me dislike this film less. And I am a major fan of NCW (Jamie Lannister).
The thing is; The film didn't look good. It looked uninspired with a ton of fake looking CGI, like the Clash of the Titans.
The acting didn't look good; Sort of like Alexander.
It looked like a half-baked epic. With a bad sub romantic plot and in a trailer that spoiled the predictable story. I've not seen the movie but watching the trailer you can taste how boring it's going to be.
There is going to be a grand score, boring random steady cams, CGI backgrounds, a couple of calculated one-liners.
Within 10 minutes the ordinary world collapses and things turn to shit, and before the hero fails, learns his morale lesson, and eventually learns, all within the quadric circular heroes journey, there is nothing left but contempt.
Watch Hateful Eight. You do not know how that movie is going to play out. There is just no fucking way you see what is coming.
Epics are hard. Ridley Scott revived the genre with Gladiator. A genre that had been dead since Cleopatra and Spartacus. That never happens. And against all odds, in post Troy, post Alexander, he manages to make a different, but important film in Kingdom of Heaven: Directors Cut.
But even his Exodus was a failure. Immortals was a failure. Clash of the Titans was a failure. Of course, NOTHING is worse than Robin Hood.
Point is.. Epic Swords'n Sandal films are hard.
The thing is; The film didn't look good. It looked uninspired with a ton of fake looking CGI, like the Clash of the Titans.
The acting didn't look good; Sort of like Alexander.
It looked like a half-baked epic. With a bad sub romantic plot and in a trailer that spoiled the predictable story. I've not seen the movie but watching the trailer you can taste how boring it's going to be.
There is going to be a grand score, boring random steady cams, CGI backgrounds, a couple of calculated one-liners.
Within 10 minutes the ordinary world collapses and things turn to shit, and before the hero fails, learns his morale lesson, and eventually learns, all within the quadric circular heroes journey, there is nothing left but contempt.
Watch Hateful Eight. You do not know how that movie is going to play out. There is just no fucking way you see what is coming.
Epics are hard. Ridley Scott revived the genre with Gladiator. A genre that had been dead since Cleopatra and Spartacus. That never happens. And against all odds, in post Troy, post Alexander, he manages to make a different, but important film in Kingdom of Heaven: Directors Cut.
But even his Exodus was a failure. Immortals was a failure. Clash of the Titans was a failure. Of course, NOTHING is worse than Robin Hood.
Point is.. Epic Swords'n Sandal films are hard.
Do you really think these movies wouldn't have been flops if they had a more diverse cast?
I don't think so. They'd still be shitty movies regardless.
Clash of the Titans wasn't a failure though. It did surprisingly well.
Warm Machine
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Or just maybe not make a movie about Egyptians at all, which is usually the result.
stufte
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I think they're probably just shitty movies, and that shittiness has nothing to do with the color of the actors skin.
Warm Machine
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There are loads of movies in the genre worse than Robin Hood.
Count Dookkake
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There are magazines and newspapers that no longer exist and never had their articles archived online. RT doesn't have tv or radio reviews from that era, either. Also, some critics sneakily adjust their reviews or re-review a work years later. The fact is there are examples of films that "everyone" knew were bad upon release that have somehow ended up as classics. Conversely, there are terrible movies that started out as instant classics.
Long after he lived. The Egypitians made it pretty clear how they saw both themselves and their gods but we still have people try to argue about what they "really looked like".
The Abominable Snowman
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Although I'm Black, I didn't really get into the whitewashing thing. However, nothing about the trailer screamed "Watch this movie at some point in the last 10-15 years of life (If you're lucky) you have left on this planet"
Guy should be mad at the marketing and special effects people for his movie flopping.
Guy should be mad at the marketing and special effects people for his movie flopping.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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For some reason Edge of Tomorrow flopped but I saw few complaints of whitewashing with it.
Lionel Richie
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Proyas
The Crow will always be in my top 10 films, and I really need to see Dark City someday. The whole thing is just sad.
Do watch Dark City. It's fucking awesome.
A fantastic movie you mean.
Kind of hard to whitewash an original work of fiction.
Interesting, never knew about that.It was also a video game
They're not mutually exclusive.
I loved it.
Sibersk Esto
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It was an adaptation of a Japanese light novel
Fair enough.
Because the adaptation isn't explicitly reliant on being Japan. No different than The Departed being an American version of Infernal Affairs.
When your Gods of Egypt are a bunch of white dudes, your Egyptians are white dudes, yeah, that's whitewashing.
Fbh
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It's fine to push back at critics. But there are better ways of doing it than basically saying "they are all stupid and my movie is great".
It's the same for critics. It's fine to state your opinion on a movie if you present valid arguments ("The acting was poor and the action poorly coreographed and with too much CG"). But you won't be taken very seriously if your review is "lol, this movie sucked"
I'm all for more diversity in movies but the message won't be sent until we see movies that are actually good flopping.
White washing was an issue with both of these movies.... but it was also far from the only one
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