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February 2016 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes March 8th
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DriftingSpirit
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DriftingSpirit
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No problem!Thanks
slavesnyder
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They should bundle it with VR.
DriftingSpirit
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Both!
slavesnyder
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Deal!
With the processor shrink MS probably could refresh the Xbox One to about 1.75 X the processing power that it had at launch but because the games will not be optimized for the hardware the games will probably be on par with the PS4 or just a little better but it will be the other functions that will be used to sell the hardware like 4K media streaming & so on. The die hard Xbox fans mostly already bought the Xbox One & this upgrade probably won't be enough for them to buy a new Xbox One but the multi media people will see it as the best Set Top Box / Gaming Console to get & that's something I think that MS can do without the Xbox name for the product. why make this a Xbox when they can make it a Windows Set Top Box that MS & other companies can make?
StrongBlackVine
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Really good news. I've been really skeptical about this game, but now I'm hoping Amazon gets some more LE in stock soon.
slavesnyder
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Concept sounded nice from the start, but all in all I expected a download only, 20$ game, especially when the developer was such a small team with the biggest to date game being Joe Danger.
Then there was a lot of info that sounded too good to be true.
And now this.
Stakes are high, could be a very important game for this gen or a huge disappointment.
The upgrade path will be "give Microsoft $400 for a new console and download all of your games again."
slavesnyder
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I doubt there's an upgrade path, just a trade-in incentive at the very least.
Crimson_Gold
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[PS4] 393k
[XB1] 216K
[3DS] 76K
[WIU] 47k
[XB1] 216K
[3DS] 76K
[WIU] 47k
slavesnyder
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Will Street Fighter sell more than Rise of the Tomb Raider in it's 1st month?
Obliterator
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DriftingSpirit
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Thanks for the clarification!Just as a heads up this was specifically referring to the LE Edition
I'd bet they would, even if it cost then a cool billion. They swallowed a hard pill for the brand with the 360 RMAs, they'd do it for the X1 brand if they thought it'd pay off in the long-term for their W10/X1 initiatives into the living room and such.
serversurfer
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Bone isn't upgradable, so whatever they release next will effectively replace it. Phil's meaning wasn't super clear, but I dunno if he was actually saying they'd be replacing the Bone "during this generation," but perhaps.
Err, don't you mean, "at most"?
I thought fanfic was supposed to be erotic
Or is it?? D:
AncientDiety
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Woot! My first try at this, account got verified today:
[PS4] 385k
[XB1] 246K
[3DS] 68K
[WIU]43k
People need to calm their expectations for the hinted at X1 upgrade...saw people posting it would play games in 4k, support Vive and rift..lol. It mean little in the way of sales compared to the PS4.
Interesting how? This won't change anything in the grand sceme of things.
[PS4] 385k
[XB1] 246K
[3DS] 68K
[WIU]43k
People need to calm their expectations for the hinted at X1 upgrade...saw people posting it would play games in 4k, support Vive and rift..lol. It mean little in the way of sales compared to the PS4.
Interesting how? This won't change anything in the grand sceme of things.
CosmicQueso
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My take is there will have to be clearly communicable consumer benefits, the kind that can be easily read on front of box.
Things like full 1080p, native 4K, that kind of thing. The kind of upgrades that a little chart that has an Xbox to go with whatever television setup a customer might have.
But I don't see how the purchase or upgrade path will be any different in the future than it is now.
I also don't see one mfg having a model something like "native 4k!" without the other mfg doing the same thing. Guess we'll have to wait and see on that.
IMO, much ado and much hype over something that will ultimately be quite a mundane thing in execution.
My guess is people are making this to be a much bigger deal than it really is.
The idea of a customers digital library moving with them from box to box is what is really interesting to me.
But the pushback on the idea seems misguided. However, it does seem that fearing any kind of change is the style of the day for the core gaming community.
Well, I was referring only to the incremental upgrade thing for the MS Console device. I don't understand the UWA issue well enough to have an opinion.
And sure, always good to have healthy skepticism. But it's hard to decipher what is healthy skepticism in all the surrounding disaster hyperbole.
slavesnyder
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Can't speak for everyone, but the problem here is that they announced 2 things at the same time, the incremental box and UWA stuff. Don't know if this was on purpose, but like this a quite nice idea got mixed up with something rather frightening.
I am not afraid of changes, but not everything new is automatically better.
How so? The idea of a buy-once product with a guaranteed lifespan and never having to feel like you are missing out is appealing to some. If an xbox fan feels that way, then speaking up isn't misguided. & IDK about fearing change, core gaming community love new console releases.
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I'm still trying to figure out how this will help w10, windows store adoption, and/or get people to buy windows phones. As some have hypothesized, maybe they really want to put out a Occulus capable box and are willing to subsidize it. If they had an xbox + OR package for $999, I'd get one, but only after it was hacked.
CosmicQueso
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Fear of Missing Out and Fear of Change are kind of related here, no?
And who says anyone will be missing out on anything?
Say they go down the road of a "4K Model". If you don't have a 4K TV, what are you missing out on by not having that version of the box? Nothing. And would that be better than not having any 4K support from any console in the market if you do have a 4K television?
Not saying that's the way it's going to be positioned, but it's an easier approach to envision than some tech-heavy PC style consumer approach.
So it's way early to say what will or won't be missed out on. Or what could be.
People tend to lean towards envisioning worst case scenarios when presented with unknowns.
MS' mistake so far has been mentioning something like this without have the full vision packaged and ready to communicate. They did the same damned thing with the Xone reveal. They've learned nothing. It's like they're so entrenched in the plans and philosophy and have bought into it internally in such a way that they think everyone will naturally agree. Silly of them to do really.
Same -- it plays a pretty big role in why I have changed my views on whether or not a plan like this could work a bit.
slavesnyder
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There is not much else positive to say at the moment to get attention for XboxOne and PR people (incl. Spencer) need to justify their salary.
I expect many more visions the closer Uncharted, No Man's Sky and especially VR come.
ethomaz
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More than 201k? I believe so...
Before all the issues I believed it was suppose to sell between 400-500k but right now 250-300k is my bet.
On the other hand, it would be the same as full BC jumping to a new generation, just at a bigger gap...so there would be no point besides just splitting the userbase and stuffing the channel with upgrades
Prototype Viktor
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but ah! i remembered 2 days early this time! plan works
Someone get that ShyGuy with a straw in here. There's blood everywhere.
Ouch, and most of us thought RotTR was a mega bomb. I wonder how Capcom thought it was a good idea to release the game in its early access state.
slavesnyder
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This is Sony's first really huge mistake this gen. Even if the decision was Capcom's, Sony should have known better and stopped this nonsense.
Perhaps Sony didn't really get the chance to do anything about it? I don't know, I don't think Sony would have released the game in this state if they had the choice.
I dont see how. Capcom is the one that decided t push the game out for their pro tour. I mean it was really stupid to do so without the proper advertising to sell customers on their new game as service direction for the series but thats on Capcom.
slavesnyder
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A publisher should always have the right to intervene. But of course we don't know, maybe they expressed concern, but Capcom ignored them. It's a pity.
AncientDiety
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In the grand scheme of things it's not a big mistake at all....it won't effect ps4 at all.
Hey, man, I know you're new here, so just a friendly advice, only few of us here actually want to see any company fail. Most of us on Sales GAF love to discuss why some decisions are made and how they benefit either party. Marketing deals and bundles are a good example of this. No one is actually saying that the SFV deal is detrimental to the PS4 or Sony in any way. It still likely pushed some consoles, but not to the extent that most of us initially believed.
mejin
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And that's the problem. SFV is the first one of flagship titles for PS4 this year and Sony got nothing.
slavesnyder
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So don't you think that
1) They could have done better?
2) Successful exclusives lead to more exclusives?
3) A "not big mistake" in the grand scheme could be painful for people in the small one?
4) An IP with a history, reputation and fanbase like SF should not be treated with care?
This is exactly the attitude that fuels narratives.
DriftingSpirit
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I have to echo his sentiments. It means nothing for PS4. There was potential for more but this isn't going to harm PS4 in the long run.
CosmicQueso
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Of course the SF5 launch has been a debacle and a tremendous missed opportunity. I don't know how anyone looking at this objectively could come to any other conclusion.
I don't think so... the way I interpret is more of a "moving forward, your Xone digital purchases will carry into the future." Much more similar to Steam and iOS.
So I don't read this as splitting any userbase.
Of course, since they provide nothing in terms of detail, we're all just pissing into the wind with speculative bs.
I don't think so... the way I interpret is more of a "moving forward, your Xone digital purchases will carry into the future." Much more similar to Steam and iOS.
So I don't read this as splitting any userbase.
Of course, since they provide nothing in terms of detail, we're all just pissing into the wind with speculative bs.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Why would it? It harms capcom a hell of a lot tho.
AncientDiety
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That's not what I said..at all. people are putting words in my mouth...it's a missed opportunity yes, but not a HUGE mistake for sony is all is said. Not sure why people got so sensitive over what I said. Lets also see how the game does over the next few months before proclaiming it dead. Street Fighter is not going to effect exclusives for sony.....they have their own studios that will keep making exclusives for ps4. For the franchise itself yes it is.