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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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The Praiseworthy
Member
Getting what from where?
Ok I will try to explain my thought better
The rumors says that there will be games on the PS4K that runs better than the PS4... but still both systems are getting the same games... right?
For example GOW4.... the developers will take advantage of the new PS4K, but they will also make it run on the original PS4 with some sacrifices... right?
Ok...
SO... does that mean when GOW4 release.. it will have two versions one for the PS4K and another one for the original PS4 physically and digitally? because you can't adjust the setting from the console itself like PC.. it's different on consoles than PC the game itself is adjusted already for the console hardware.
Is that possible?
So they ask for new systems that few people will buy?
qa_engineer
Member
I'm pretty sure what he meant to say was that the effects, resolution, and overal IQ would have to be scaled back when compared to the PS4K version, meaning it will still look and play like a PS4 game should (900p-1080p 30-60fps)
This doesn't mean that PS4 games are going to run at 720p 20fps. So many others have pointed this out in the thread already; this type of graphical scaling exists today on PC games and even console games. This is why moving to a less exotic and semi-custom x86 setup was such a good idea. These are PC parts that don't require some magical programming language to interface with the hardware.
High End PC: High resolution, high quality graphical effects, high frame rate
Mid Tier PC: 1080p-1440p. graphics scaled down for frame rate or frame rate scaled down for graphics
Entry Level PC: 1080p. graphics scaled down for frame rate or frame rate scaled down for graphics
Obviously with PC there are alot more scaling options when it comes to resolutions and effects at every tier but this gives you an idea of how scaling is going to look on PS4 vs PS4K, Xbone vs Xbone 4K. etc
aygomyownroad
Member
Thanks for the answers, I feel like an idiot now!
valkillmore
Member
I'll probably upgrade next year. Really excited to see how it impacts PS VR exclusive titles tbh, moreso than standard non-VR games.
HF2014
Member
Its not a new console. Call it PS5, its a new console. An upgraded system? Its like kissing goodbuy to the 80 millions who bought it, developpers will go lazy on current ps4, well ps4 will be consider last gen, cause the 4k will be the new gen. How the hell can you do that to a less than 3 years old system. I do have funds to get this new system, why supporting it? To see a faster new model come out in 2020? Im buying a console to dont have to upgrade a PC every 3 years.
This is going to be a sad day for console gaming if its really happening. I just hope its a big juicy rumor , im really praying for it.
Latvian Hitman
Member
It won't for two reasons:
1.) Rendering a game natively at 4K isn't really tied to the size of the game's assets on disc.
2.) There's absolutely no way that a machine with only 2x the power of the PS4 will be capable of pushing native 4K for anything but the occasional indie title. Not even remotely close.
Not at all. It's a perfectly reasonable question to ask!
Whats the problem with the game checking if it's a PS4 or a PS4K and auto-adjust?Getting what from where?
Ok I will try to explain my thought better
The rumors says that there will be games on the PS4K that runs better than the PS4... but still both systems are getting the same games... right?
For example GOW4.... the developers will take advantage of the new PS4K, but they will also make it run on the original PS4 with some sacrifices... right?
Ok...
SO... does that mean when GOW4 release.. it will have two versions one for the PS4K and another one for the original PS4 physically and digitally? because you can't adjust the setting from the console itself like PC.. it's different on consoles than PC the game itself is adjusted already for the hardware.
So... ?
Is that possible?
One disk, can be played on PS4 and PS4K.
You're not a pc gamer, are you?
There are so many pc games that auto-adjust the settings for you if you want to.
Papacheeks
Banned
No, not even close. Unity ran like shit not because of how advanced it was, I mean it did look stunning. But the engine was complete shit, and wasn't even an engine when they started development for Unity. And that carried over to Syndicate which is why that game got paired down so much. They still haven't optimized it.
Here:
It's a developer issue not hardware. During early PS3 days when western developers were trying hard to code of PS3 was it them or the hardware. Mainly the hardware because lack of documentation of tools. Which over time got better. But now that you look at x86 architecture and realize how easy it is to get game engines running on the system with little optimization.
Issue now is on developers, and has always been that way. PS2 was the weakest system out of xbox + gamecube. But it had the largest library of games. ANd people still made games like God of war 2 on it well into the PS3's life cycle. So it relies mostly on the developers. ANd in this generation where the architecture is much easier to develop on, and much easier to use engines that have universal documentation like unreal 4. There's no excuse not to get a full generation on these.
This whole thing is because of 4K, VR. Naughty dog, Sucker punch didn't raise their hands and go " Fuck we can;t put all these effects into the game, we need a beefier GPU". If anything most developers do nothing but talk on how robust these consoles are compared to last generation.
Go look at all the sub HD resolutions used for like Black ops 2 on PS3. Difference in what we have now is night and day. Games have better image quality that really take advantage of most non-4k tv sets.
Having an option for ultra bluray playback, and upscale 4k resolution is fine. But adding something that will or could cause discrepancy's between different versions of games, will only add to negativity, and ultimately decrease early adoption for new generation consoles.
A wild rational post appears!
Initially yeah it might not make sense.
Some casuals will inevitably be confused about the situation and they can't be blamed.
This is why Sony marketing will have to earn their bread to the nth degree and I'm sure that retail guys can explain everything well enough in store.
Alx
Member
There's nothing preventing developers to have adjustable settings in a console game, it's just that they didn't need/want to with a single harware (and even then a few console games already have such settings).
And with only two different configurations to support, they could have those "switches" flip automatically when the game recognizes what kind of hardware it's running on.
There's no reason to believe there will be separate versions of the game for the different PS4 models, you'll still have a single one, with a "better on PS4K" banner on the box.
SmiteOfHand
Member
To be fair to the spirit of his question, however, if it were native 4k the possibility that game asset size would increase is likely. *Increase in that developers would be inclined to use higher resolution textures, for example.
GatticusFinch
Member
Yes, this is ridiculous. Hasn't even been out for 2.5 years yet and they're already doing this shit? Guess I'll be 100% PC gaming. I'm not going to be paying to upgrade my PC GPU every few years and upgrade a console.
I'm also highly skeptical of this console's ability to run 4k gaming content.
The rumour in the OP says they would need to explicitly patch, otherwise will run the same as on the original.
Mister Megative
Banned
Ok.
How do you think graphic settings work in PC games?
Of course. Same game, just different AA, resolution, framerate, lod distance etc... Just like on PC. (except on PC the user can choose the graphical options he wants to prioritize)
There's not a different PC release for every single GPU on the market.
Killroyskbg
Member
I seriously dont understand the "this will fragment the userbase" argument. It has been pretty clear from day one since this rumor started that the games will work on both only the performance will differ. I dont think that means sub 30 fps for games but reduced shadows, aa, etc the same thing you find on PC settings or lowered resolution. This is pretty much what happens at the end of console generations anyway and while the PS3 took a while to get the most out of the PS4 will probably not offer the same improvments. So how is this bad? You can still keep your PS4 and play the same games as the ones on PS4k. It is not a generation leap where you will be blocked away or missing content because you dont want to uppgrade it is just visuals. I think it is fine to offer those who own a 4k tv or just want better versions of games to pay for it.
For me this just sounds like envy on those who wants this and are ready to pay for it. Like I said no one has mentioned exclusive games.
For me this just sounds like envy on those who wants this and are ready to pay for it. Like I said no one has mentioned exclusive games.
The Praiseworthy
Member
Aha ok... thanks guys for clearing things up for me
Mister Megative
Banned
Sounds to me like you're not much of a console gamer to begin with. Nothing wrong with that, mind you.
That won't be a problem. The same disc (or digital copy) would run on both differently. Kind of like if you put a PS1 disc in a PS1, PS2 or PS3 different things happen, or play a digital PSP game on PSP or Vita the option's are different. The base copy is the same and device it's being played on will tell it to do different things i.e. choose PS4 or PS4K settings
Papacheeks
Banned
And where would there be any proof of that? Maybe XBox since it has a underpowered gpu and doesn't have GDD5 memory?
But where is there talk from developers who say these consoles suck, or are under-powered?
Because Ubisoft's shit engine, along with other's are the reasons we get shit like Unity. To have CD RED expect their initial reveal and current renderer of their engine build from 2013 to run on hardware priced at 399 is a little reaching?
And that's on developers, they probably built that mainly for PC thinking it could be scaled down, but even looking at current PC games, it's not hard to believe you would need a crazy gpu to make water look like what they had in 2013 reveal.
I'm confused by the consternation in this thread.
Obviously we don't know all the details, but if we speculate on the rumors given thus far ... I have yet to see a good argument against this. From what we know, all games will be playable on PS4 and PS4K ... with new games that keep the PS4K in mind having upgraded graphics. There is no userbase fragmentation in the traditional sense, and nothing forcing you to purchase it.
Until we know more, the only conclusion I can come up with for people finding this so upsetting is either fear since this is a new concept for a mainstream console ... or ... it's like owners of the original are actually mad that someone else will be playing games with better graphics. Neither of which are rational, and the latter is pretty selfish and shallow.
Obviously we don't know all the details, but if we speculate on the rumors given thus far ... I have yet to see a good argument against this. From what we know, all games will be playable on PS4 and PS4K ... with new games that keep the PS4K in mind having upgraded graphics. There is no userbase fragmentation in the traditional sense, and nothing forcing you to purchase it.
Until we know more, the only conclusion I can come up with for people finding this so upsetting is either fear since this is a new concept for a mainstream console ... or ... it's like owners of the original are actually mad that someone else will be playing games with better graphics. Neither of which are rational, and the latter is pretty selfish and shallow.
Feral Gingy
Banned
Is it safe to assume that we still won't be getting much if any natively 4K games? The improvements will be in fps, textures etc. right?
I don't want to buy a 4K TV just yet.
I don't want to buy a 4K TV just yet.
I'm playing every night on PC in my couch with my DS4. So yeah.
SolidusDave
Member
So, when we expect a PS5 to hit 2-3 years after the PS4K on which we've spend another 400-500, what will happen?
Another 2x power increase instead of a generational leap? Games then being PS4K&PS"5" only?
Basically a future of 2-3 year iterations from each manufacturer that are all basically Steam boxes?
Or a new traditional console which would render the PS4K's lifetime very short?
Maybe no PS5 at all and we ride out a very long gen? Possibly another PS4.5 a few additional years down the line. Making the PS4 era the last traditional console until they can go full cloud or something?
Another 2x power increase instead of a generational leap? Games then being PS4K&PS"5" only?
Basically a future of 2-3 year iterations from each manufacturer that are all basically Steam boxes?
Or a new traditional console which would render the PS4K's lifetime very short?
Maybe no PS5 at all and we ride out a very long gen? Possibly another PS4.5 a few additional years down the line. Making the PS4 era the last traditional console until they can go full cloud or something?
The game would need to get patched or rereleased.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I never realized how inconceivable it is for people to continue enjoying what they have, once a shinier new box arrives.
mrmickfran
Member
Goddammit, I was just about to buy a PS4. Now I gotta wait.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Of course it won't be rendering games in 4k. A better upscaling solution will probably go a long way tho.
This is really childish.
Indies probably. You would need a pretty hefty upgrade to make 4k viable on a home console. 2xGPU for the PS4 really won't cut it if even high end PC's struggle.
It's amazing how easy it is to forget all of this over the past ten years. Xbox 360 was a beast when it came out. I'd nearly forgot how much value we got out of console specs in previous generations.
Childish and selfish
qa_engineer
Member
NO. I think there needs to be a separate thread with infographics on how graphics and resolution scaling works.
Jesus. H.
Yeah it will need a patch for 30FPS -> 60FPS.
But games with 23-28ish FPS will run at locked 30 with the PS4K, because the 30FPS is already a target on the normal PS4.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
You mean like how they're not launching the PS5 3-4 years after the PS4? This is a PS4.5, and they will both run the same games.
You appear to be ignoring that significant difference.
The only frustrating thing about this to me is that I might wait on some of the big releases to play them in a better state. There's no way with a job, wife and kid that I'll be able to play...say...FFXV (or insert any 50+ hour RPG) more than once. If it's going to play and look better on the advanced hardware (a big "if" since we know next to nothing yet), should I wait?
"It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance."
#ForThe4KPlayers.