catpurrcat
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Wow. This needs to be stickied to every NX thread.
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NX launching in March to make sure there are games to go along with it
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Wow. This needs to be stickied to every NX thread.
I still feel they are making the wrong decisions.
If the system in coming in 2017 then they should show it or tease it at E3 even if they do a direct afterwards. I don;t get the whole Zelda only E3. I mean the game could be awesome, could be a better reveal than TP etc, but if the game is an NX launch game they should showcase that in some way shape or form. They should stick to showing that version of the game and just let the WiiU be a thing of the past.
It sounds similar to the whole Star Fox, Project Giant Robo event they did just to show that the WiiU pad could still be relevant and the game *might be good, but they needed to test it out.
If the system in coming in 2017 then they should show it or tease it at E3 even if they do a direct afterwards. I don;t get the whole Zelda only E3. I mean the game could be awesome, could be a better reveal than TP etc, but if the game is an NX launch game they should showcase that in some way shape or form. They should stick to showing that version of the game and just let the WiiU be a thing of the past.
It sounds similar to the whole Star Fox, Project Giant Robo event they did just to show that the WiiU pad could still be relevant and the game *might be good, but they needed to test it out.
jabberwocker
Banned
I don't know what's more funny about this post the fact that he found so many references saying there same thing about holding back for launch or the fact that he is going off on Iwata not changing even though Iwata has been dead for almost year.
The Wii far from struggled out of the gate. It was sold out for a long time...
jabberwocker
Banned
Software wise
sixteen-bit
Member
anybody surprised that WiiU had so many games at launch in relation to other nintendo systems?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mB0xgOz4ys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mB0xgOz4ys
Orniletter
Banned
He is refering to the WiiU and 3DS.
KingJ2002
Member
Third party ports and quality assurance for first and second party titles.
They will miss out on the holiday season but they could possibly take advantage of the aftermath.
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not launching during the holidays also means there's a good chance 2017 Sports Ports (madden, nba 2k16, etc.) aren't very likely at launch.
Saint Gregory
Member
Sorry that's not the point I was trying to make. We're 7 months removed from the holiday season and a little under a year removed from the hypothetical NX launch, how do you assess the readiness of your launch software this far out yet are able to nail it down to a roughly a 3 month period? What 3rd party games would be viable for launch in March that wouldn't have been done and released on other systems by the fall?
Typically you set a launch window and pull resources to finish one or two games on time, especially when you're this far away from launch. Games ready for March would techically still fall within an acceptable hardware launch window for a holiday console, that wouldn't be a valid business reason to me to miss the most lucrative retail period of the year, especially for Nintendo.
The more likely scenario is Nintendo has run into some kind of hardware issue with NX development and can't guarantee that it will be resolved in time for the holidays. Rather than piss off retail partners by promising them hardware they won't have to sell they schedule for March instead, if they still miss that date it's no harm no foul since that's a slow period of the year for retail sales anyway, no self space would have been wasted.
If these exist....then taking the 4 months to get them would be kind of cancelled out by getting them months late.
DrunkShogun
Member
When you look the wider picture it was probably the smarter move. Avoid the death launch wii u had. The only issue is Nintendo has to face some short term disappointment by its fan.
family_guy
Member
It almost seems like they have no third party support to help them through the launch window.
ForsakenLotus
Member
Missing the holiday season is really going to hurt unless they somehow catch that lightning in a bottle again. It's good that they want to make sure the games are there, but I have to ask:
What were their studios doing the last 2 years?
What were their studios doing the last 2 years?
Whether you buy the reasoning or not it's what'll happen anyway.
Then again Zelda might not be a launch title for it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Working on games.
History will repeat itself.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It launched in the US with two games.
It's possible Nintendo will burst out of the gate with remasters and a couple token third party games. But afterwards will be interesting.
Version 3.0
Member
It's the same story with Nintendo, generation after generation.
1. The current console gets starved of games for a year, or even two.
2. We imagine all the games that will launch with the new system.
3. New system launches with 2 games.
4. New system has droughts.
5. Nintendo says they underestimated software development time and promises to address the issue going forward.
1. The current console gets starved of games for a year, or even two.
2. We imagine all the games that will launch with the new system.
3. New system launches with 2 games.
4. New system has droughts.
5. Nintendo says they underestimated software development time and promises to address the issue going forward.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I hope for them 4 months is enough to stockpile their launch titles, third party or otherwise.
I don't think this is because of launch window, but for the entire first year.
LegendofLex
Member
^ Correct.
Wii had no software problems at launch. A list of first-party games plus samples of third-party offerings (i.e. not an exhaustive list):
Yeah, but this time they're taking tangible action to address it. They consolidated their console/handheld streams and are holding back the system until games come out. Before, they basically just said "We really get it this time!" Hopefully these steps address the underlying problem.
EatinOlives
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The way I see it is this:
Four months (assuming a launch in November) of additional development time isn't that long a time, certainly not long enough to make the difference from "anemic launch lineup" to "one of the greatest of all time". We'll get slightly more polished games, maybe a couple of additional ports. And yes, the lineup difference DOES have to be "one of the greatest of all time" if they intend to justify completely missing a holiday season and launching new hardware in March (a random month with nothing before or after).
Nintendo at this point are placing a bet that the amount of people who would buy an NX day one with presumably a good launch lineup would be greater in number than the amount of consumers who buy an NX with the "holiday bump" in sales. I honestly don't think the former outweigh the latter.
And, at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that Nintendo wouldn't choose a March launch if they could help it. Obviously they'd choose the holidays if everything was hunky dory. The fact that they're launching in such a bizarre time of year tells us there's some serious trouble with the way the launch software is coming together.
Four months (assuming a launch in November) of additional development time isn't that long a time, certainly not long enough to make the difference from "anemic launch lineup" to "one of the greatest of all time". We'll get slightly more polished games, maybe a couple of additional ports. And yes, the lineup difference DOES have to be "one of the greatest of all time" if they intend to justify completely missing a holiday season and launching new hardware in March (a random month with nothing before or after).
Nintendo at this point are placing a bet that the amount of people who would buy an NX day one with presumably a good launch lineup would be greater in number than the amount of consumers who buy an NX with the "holiday bump" in sales. I honestly don't think the former outweigh the latter.
And, at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that Nintendo wouldn't choose a March launch if they could help it. Obviously they'd choose the holidays if everything was hunky dory. The fact that they're launching in such a bizarre time of year tells us there's some serious trouble with the way the launch software is coming together.
Joegrine_TT
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Rather than stumble out of the gate trying to sell us on NX, they need to take their time and get everything right behind-the-scenes before they can go full steam ahead.
Everyone else seems to have lost their damn minds because the status quo is being upset. "But E3 is the show of shows, they gotta be there and they gotta hit hard!" or "how else will get mainstream coverage?"
Social media exists. NX was trending this morning on Facebook and Twitter, and all of the gaming/tech media were on it. That trickles down to the mainstream real easy. That's why Nintendo Direct works.
They don't give a damn about E3 anymore, and neither do some big third-party publishers. They want their own space to broadcast their own message. Besides, E3's a farce now more than ever with the "who won E3" tripe.
NX will arrive on Nintendo's terms, and for once, Nintendo is thinking like they should be.
Everyone else seems to have lost their damn minds because the status quo is being upset. "But E3 is the show of shows, they gotta be there and they gotta hit hard!" or "how else will get mainstream coverage?"
Social media exists. NX was trending this morning on Facebook and Twitter, and all of the gaming/tech media were on it. That trickles down to the mainstream real easy. That's why Nintendo Direct works.
They don't give a damn about E3 anymore, and neither do some big third-party publishers. They want their own space to broadcast their own message. Besides, E3's a farce now more than ever with the "who won E3" tripe.
NX will arrive on Nintendo's terms, and for once, Nintendo is thinking like they should be.
Nothing. Completely different demographics.
Hardware is a suspect (we had rumors of staggered launch, so this leads credence to the idea that they weren't producing enough or expecting enough production for a worldwide holiday launch).
They may also have delayed to have a maintained release schedule rather than force an early launch, have a good launch window, and then run out of games. Four to five months isn't a lot for near finished to finished projects, but it does let them move release schedule in general back a bit and allow for more software to make it out on time later.
Also we had heard rumblings of troubled porting of SMM and Splatoon, so that may well have also contributed as those are marquee titles they want to have ready at launch, immediately.
This seems more like circumstances of multiple angles led to the delay, not just new software for launch.
EatinOlives
Member
I mean, I'm taking the quote from the OP at face value. They said the delay was to make sure the games were there, which doesn't make sense to me.
I think if there had been hardware issues to work out (shortages/design/etc.), they would've mentioned that as well, but right now all they're talking about is software.
EDIT: Regarding the release schedule point, Nintendo's droughts tend to last for many, many months. Far more than just 4 months. If they're doing this to compress the time it takes from them to go from launch window games to "wave 2" games, delaying the launch by only 4 months is nowhere near enough.
Pancakes R Us
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For the people on the third party games bandwagon for Nintendo systems: March launch probably means a bunch of Q4 2016 ports, which people have played already, so only going to appeal to the Nintendo-only crowd - well, the minuscule number that's willing to buy non Nintendo titles.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I will believe it when I see it because we all know how the Wii U and 3DS launch window went down and everyone should brace themselves for 2016 game ports to fill the catalogue.
robertsan21
Member
I think its smart that they do delay it to have more games ready.
Now Nintendo just have to keep that promise.
I do really hope the NX is a power house, PS4k or better and it has Zelda as launch title.
I will pick it up on launch if so.
Now Nintendo just have to keep that promise.
I do really hope the NX is a power house, PS4k or better and it has Zelda as launch title.
I will pick it up on launch if so.
woopWOOP
Member
I believe it.
Ofcourse I still wonder that, if the system launches with 3 to 5 games, if they can still keep on releasing titles after without huge periods of nothing... again.
Maybe they're trying to get a decent install base going from day 1 so that it actually attracts a few 3rd-party developers.
Ofcourse I still wonder that, if the system launches with 3 to 5 games, if they can still keep on releasing titles after without huge periods of nothing... again.
Maybe they're trying to get a decent install base going from day 1 so that it actually attracts a few 3rd-party developers.
Portugeezer
Member
Whilst I agree with your sentiments, to me the unprecedented March launch gives some slightly more validity to his statement. He is also not Iwata.
However, there will still be droughts, unless they have good third party support, which I don't believe they will and I don't believe they would sell that well on NX. Not because Nintendo fans wouldn't buy them, but most people would buy them on other consoles which would shrink the NX market for third party games. Again, I just don't think NX will be a priority for third parties (however I am assuming NX will just be a normal console...)
Nintendo will make DLC for existing games to fill in gaps.
I wouldn't read the canned PR response and look at what has been circulating in the rumor mill from more attuned sources. Zhuge reported on the potential staggered launch, multiple sources talked about trouble with the ports, and, in general, Kimishima's canned PR actually doesn't specify launch. He could very well be talking about the entire launch year and getting everything squared away, and this agrees with the rumors from Emily. The WiiU launched with a bunch of games and ports, but it then had nothing substantial for months. I think this is what they want to avoid.
The hardware side of thing, I'd say, are not something you'd hear about just yet since that may well fall into uncertainties if the hardware is indeed on 14nm. And they may not want to give that away either.
tiebreaker
Member
Nintendo really needs 3rd party support to fill gaps in their first party releases. Based on them missing the holiday, it is safe to assume the likes of COD and FIFA, aren't guaranteed to come to NX.
Don't believe the 'no games' excuse. There's no way they'd miss holiday unless there was some major problem that wasn't just games. The longer they wait the more people buy another console, apart from Nintendo faithful of course and we know how few of those there are.
We said that when saying it was a definite 2016 release.
Its like Melee. It wasn't ready for GC launch but was ready a few months later. So 4 months can in fact make a lot of difference in that regard.
Game design, software and electrical engineering aren't trivial matters. Also, logistics on the scale of millions with several different vendors isn't a walk in the park either.
If Super Mario Maker doesn't make its way to NX on the first year, we might get a 2D Mario first.
That could be another issue, perhaps the third parties didn't have enough time for them to come this year in addition to Nintendo's studios(or that they would come later), so they're moving the date ahead so at least they'll get the '18 editions.
Movalpolos
Banned
So it will be a bunch of games originally meant for Wii U. Lame.
giant_frying_pan
Member
A solid justification, but now they have to deliver and not just Zelda for NX.
sammyCYBORG
Member
For Nintendo to basically do nothing for the next year, this lineup better be shit hot.
If there is, I hope it's not New Super Mario Bros. Since Mario Maker exists, that would be kinda pointless.
AMD's Polaris will be 14nm
Melee came out like two weeks after the GameCube launched, not a few months
Right got to see where they take 2D Mario next now that we live in a world were Super Mario Maker happened.