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[Xbudz]

Don't underestimate Sony. Neo and Scorpio are not finalized yet, specs could change for both of them.

Very curious to see who announces what at E3.

Poor Nintendo though, NX will have to be something really special to grab attention.

 

[icespide]

if Neo is 2016 then it's very unlikely they could change specs at this point

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Don't underestimate Sony. Neo and Scorpio are not finalized yet, specs could change for both of them.

Very curious to see who announces what at E3.

Poor Nintendo though, NC will have to be something really special to grab attention.

Sony may change it but with games and work already underway for it makes it rough. Maybe if it's more powerful than rumors the power of it won't be used as well early on.


2016 would only see a ran or cpu change perhaps. Maybe they could do more on the gpu but could be issues


Pure speculation but let's say if they have multiple boxes in testing for this situation

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Back to the drawing board on hardware scheduled to come out in the next 6/12 months if the rumours are to be believed. You think they would do that? What about if they both just continually delay the machines cause someone keeps leaking the specs 12 months out lol.

I'm not saying they will scrap their project, but they could make changes based on indirect feedback. Same for Sony.

2016 would only see a ran or cpu change perhaps. Maybe they could do more on the gpu but could be issues

I'm in the camp that a PS4 with same gimped CPU(overclocked a bit) is a mistake. Would rather they waited for real improvements coming in 2017. Until it is officially announced the specs are not final though. The PS4 went from 4GB of memory to 8GB because of advances after the system was designed so we'll see what happens.

 

[Obscuritas]

You don't need that to get good sales. How many did other games sale on sub 15 million bases. You sure about that.

Watch dogs and gta sold how much?

User bases like that are not important to sell games. Your just wrong here.

I didn't know that only GTA and AAA big marketed Ubi-open world game were being developed these days, and that you can easily ignore a 80+M userbase while spending a fortune in those games projects.



Halo 6 will be released on X1/X1 slim too, even if you don't want them to do so.

 

[tiredheadcrab]

I don't know if Sony will change the specs of the ps4 neo right now. Developers already have dev kits and the chips could be in production right now. I can see them boosting a clock speed here or there but nothing drastic. I wouldn't hold my breath for a spec change because of an Internet rumor.

 

[MaulerX]

if Neo is 2016 then it's very unlikely they could change specs at this point

Didn't we get rumblings that devs already had dev-kits? Or did I misread that somewhere?

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I didn't know that only GTA and AAA big marketed Ubi-open world game were being developed these days, and that you can easily ignore a 80+M userbase while spending a fortune in those games projects.



Halo 6 will be released on X1/X1 slim too, even if you don't want them to do so.

Has nothing to do with me wanting it, just won't happen.
Many games won't reach one cause microsoft doesn't want.

It's like you haven't payed attention to them the last 20 years

 

[Obscuritas]

I don't know if Sony will change the specs of the ps4 neo right now.

They won't, and they don't have to.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

They won't, and they don't have to.

I'd rather they made the $500 version they were considering, but I'm looking at it from an enthusiast perspective.

 

[Daft Punk]

They won't, and they don't have to.

This. Sony has a history of dealing with generations where stronger systems come out to compete with them.

 

[wachie]

They won't, and they don't have to.

True, Neo and Scorpio will likely target different price points.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

This. Sony has a history of dealing with generations where stronger systems come out to compete with them.

True, but they have also made a big deal about having the most powerful console this generation.

 

[icespide]

True, but they have also made a big deal about having the most powerful console this generation.

have they?

 

[Jack The Nipper]

have they?

It's implied in resolution for sure. They don't need to do it now though.

 

[gamz]

True, but they have also made a big deal about having the most powerful console this generation.

You mean consumers have. I don't think I've read any marketing from Sony which states this.

 

[On Demand]

You mean consumers have. I don't think I've read any marketing from Sony which states this.

Mark Cerny got on stage at Gamescom and mentioned PS4 is the most powerful console. Big lettering on the screen too.

Then there's that Gopher post which makes it seem like they care.

 

[ClearData]

Zen Vega HBM 2 is the most likely the combo. Only Vega can meet the minimum requirements for Oculus at console type TDP. Zen is likely because Jaguar is probably too old to use. HBM2 for overcoming ESRAM.

That would be something else. The latest and greatest tech from AMD. Though I have to wonder if such a machine is just going to represent the start of a new generation or era rather than an upgraded Xbox One.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

You do realize that the Xbox One is basically that right now.

I can do my taxes on the Xbox One?

 

[SneakersSO]

The leap if true is pretty much a new gen imo, and Microsoft I imagine will market it as one. Of course they will talk about compatibility, but they will drop the "one" name, and then eventually bury the thing as well. I don't think that it will hurt them as much as people think. They buried the OG Xbox after 4 years.

Burying the OG Xbox/launching the 360 is a very different situation from this. No, its not a new generation. In fact, MS was the very first ones to even bring up the iterative console model this year. The leaks even refer to the Scorpio as an upgraded Xbox One. They can drop the One name, but if all 'Xbox' games (1st & 3rd party) are coming out & supporting both of these platforms, which is what they're going for, then this jump in power is intended for something else, and we already know they are going for Oculus support.

As for these iterative models hurting potential sales - we REALLY don't know whats going to happen here. Like I said, the OG Xbox & the 360 were very different situations specifically because the 360 introduced a wealth of console level features that justified a new console, not just additional power. In fact, the 360 actually struggled in sales in its first year up until Gears of War came out AND the PS3 shit the bed with its launch. You're welcome to feel the Scorpio is the new generation of the Xbox, but if it hypothetically were, then all of the factors the 360 had in doing an early generation launch are not only gone, but it'll have the added factor against it where it'll be the one entering the market potentially a year late from its closest competitor, and up to 6 months from when another console manufacturer will have launched its product. And, MS is planning to launch all their 1st party software on PC, so it'll have one less sales driver in that sense.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I can do my taxes on the Xbox One?

Jup, it will still be a closed environment. Like iOS. Which is cool, if you're an Apple fan. But if you're a fan of, well, a non-closed environment, one which let's you start the Steam app for example, this new XBOX is not a substitute. Not even close.

 

[JaggedSac]

Zen Vega HBM 2 is the most likely the combo. Only Vega can meet the minimum requirements for Oculus at console type TDP. Zen is likely because Jaguar is probably too old to use. HBM2 for overcoming ESRAM.

They might get hit with firmware issues like they did with Surface Book/Pro in using the latest chipsets first. Could be risky if they have issues out of the gate.

But I can definitely see Panos pulling the trigger on that.

 

[wachie]

Zen Vega HBM 2 is the most likely the combo. Only Vega can meet the minimum requirements for Oculus at console type TDP. Zen is likely because Jaguar is probably too old to use. HBM2 for overcoming ESRAM.

This is getting into misterx category. Vega is likely a 12+ TFlop monster. Microsoft can use Polaris to reach their 6TF target.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

This has to be some xbox branded pc. I don't think it's a console.

 

[icespide]

This has to be some xbox branded pc. I don't think it's a console.

that's what a console is nowadays

 

[etta]

This is getting into misterx category. Vega is likely a 12+ TFlop monster. Microsoft can use Polaris to reach their 6TF target.

What's the TDP for Polaris at 5.5TF?

 

[Obscuritas]

Has nothing to do with me wanting it, just won't happen.
Many games won't reach one cause microsoft doesn't want.

It's like you haven't payed attention to them the last 20 years

Do you really believe that they are mad enough to screw the existing X1 userbase right in the middle of the generation and with these PS4 numbers, make all their upcoming games Scorpio-only (which, for what we know, could sell even less than the Xbox One) and, on top of that, prevent any publisher/software house from developing and selling games on their old consoles? Sorry, but I still think that they are not THAT crazy.

 

[Odorono]

that's what a console is nowadays

PC's without the freedom

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Yeah as others said I don't see sony announcing the neo is actually much much more powerful than all of the specs we've heard, just to outdo Microsoft. What they can do though is release it at a lower price point than the Scorpio. At the end of the day they have the bigger install base and these consoles are meant to make games on the base consoles run better, not to have games that the base consoles won't be able to run.

 

[Obscuritas]

that's what a console is nowadays

Well, no. They are still closed platforms.


Scorpio might be a pre-assembled PC, after all.

 

[e-gamer]

This. Sony has a history of dealing with generations where stronger systems come out to compete with them.

By that time they had almost 90% exclusivity from thirds.

Now it's a bit different situation. They started to focus on third party games that run better on it's console, like MS did last gen. And they are trying to sell VR glasses through PS4...

 

[Kaako]

This is getting into misterx category. Vega is likely a 12+ TFlop monster. Microsoft can use Polaris to reach their 6TF target.

Can they?
I still think Vega is more likely with HBM2 for late 2017. They should use Vega & HBM2 by that time no?

 

[Zedox]

I can do my taxes on the Xbox One?

Yes, go to Microsoft Edge, go to http://www.turbotax.com LETS DO IT!

But yea, the Windows Store opening for the Xbox One is basically making it a Steam Machine.

 

[Lightning Count]

In a way I'm looking at this as what we should have gotten all along with regards to the Neo/Scorpio.

The increase in performance from PS2 to PS3 and OG Xbox to Xbox 360 was pretty substantial, whereas with PS4 and X1 the difference in performance versus their predecessors is nowhere near as significant.

It still sucks for those of us who shelled for the original PS4/X1, especially as if we stick to these machines we will be forced into playing objectively inferior versions of new releases or we have to upgrade at a hefty cost.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

that's what a console is nowadays

A console is a PC? I don't get it. I can't run winzip on a console.

 

[e-gamer]

Mark Cerny got on stage at Gamescom and mentioned PS4 is the most powerful console. Big lettering on the screen too.

Then there's that Gopher post which makes it seem like they care.

And don't forget the Xbox 720p vs GLORIOUS PS4 GDDR5 1080P talking from every corner.

They care, and a lot. PS4 is ahead in sales for 3 major facts (in order of relevance):
1 - Better Hardware
2 - Lower price (mostly at start)
3 - MS presentation

 

[ghst]

like a few others, my guess is that MS are binning the current console model and effectively just nicking the steam machines idea and using it as a way of getting a locked down version of windows in peoples' living rooms.

basically the original idea of the xbox in the first place.

 

[LukasTaves]

Adding to the fire: http://enthusiast.gg/#/861/The-First-VR-Game-Confirmed-for-the-Xbox-One-

The PR from this game now mentions a xbone release this year. No talks about VR support on that one though.

I have found an older interview (back when the game was due this march) that said they wanted to do consoles, but didn't have the resources at the moment, so it's interesting to know what changed.

http://gamingbolt.com/narcosis-interview-into-the-abyss-with-vr

 

[bidguy]

Adding to the fire: http://enthusiast.gg/#/861/The-First-VR-Game-Confirmed-for-the-Xbox-One-

The PR from this game now mentions a xbone release this year. No talks about VR support on that one though.

I have found an older interview (back when the game was due this march) that said they wanted to do consoles, but didn't have the resources at the moment, so it's interesting to know what changed.

http://gamingbolt.com/narcosis-interview-into-the-abyss-with-vr

but vr wouldnt work on xbone ?

 

[wachie]

What's the TDP for Polaris at 5.5TF?

Around 160W.

Can they?
I still think Vega is more likely with HBM2 for late 2017. They should use Vega & HBM2 by that time no?

I think Zen is holding them to next year rather than Vega.

 

[icespide]

And don't forget the Xbox 720p vs GLORIOUS PS4 GDDR5 1080P talking from every corner.

They care, and a lot. PS4 is ahead in sales for 3 major facts (in order of relevance):
1 - Better Hardware
2 - Lower price (mostly at start)
3 - MS presentation

that talking you mention is from the community not Sony.

let me fix your list

1 - lower price
2 - DRM 180, forced Kinect
3 - better hardware

to be clear, power is the least of all the reasons PS4 is on top

 

[Bits N Pieces]

have they?

Absolutely, it's a tag line in certain marketing campaigns they have ran this generation. Reinforces the For The Player narrative they have been building as well.

Sony's PR and marketing department have been on a roll since these machines were announced, just home run after home run.

 

[icespide]

Absolutely, it's a tag line in certain marketing campaigns they have ran this generation. Reinforces the For The Player narrative they have been building as well.

Sony's PR and marketing department have been on a roll since these machines were announced, just home run after home run.

what tag line specifically mentions power?

 

[etta]

Around 160W.

And does HBM2 work on Polaris?

 

[metareferential]

But yea, the Windows Store opening for the Xbox One is basically making it a Steam Machine.

Not really, since you could only install and launch apps from the Win Store.

 

[wachie]

And does HBM2 work on Polaris?

Where is the HBM mandate coming from?

 

[KinofChaos]

Absolutely, it's a tag line in certain marketing campaigns they have ran this generation. Reinforces the For The Player narrative they have been building as well.

Sony's PR and marketing department have been on a roll since these machines were announced, just home run after home run.

Like what exactly?

And don't forget the Xbox 720p vs GLORIOUS PS4 GDDR5 1080P talking from every corner.

They care, and a lot. PS4 is ahead in sales for 3 major facts (in order of relevance):
1 - Better Hardware
2 - Lower price (mostly at start)
3 - MS presentation

Yeah, lets not give Sony any credit, brand power they built over 20 years world wide means nothing apparently lol, only MS mistakes matter,. Ugh.

 

[RalchAC]

And don't forget the Xbox 720p vs GLORIOUS PS4 GDDR5 1080P talking from every corner.

They care, and a lot. PS4 is ahead in sales for 3 major facts (in order of relevance):
1 - Better Hardware
2 - Lower price (mostly at start)
3 - MS presentation

4.- Europe, Asia, Australia, Middle East and the rest of the world.

 

[etta]

Where is the HBM mandate coming from?

We know that:
1. Scorpio is new architecture.
2. They need to have ESRAM or ESRAM-level speeds for Xbox One back compat.
3. It's releasing in 2017.

What do you get when you combine all those points?

 

[Ashes]

It'll be interesting to see if huge differences matter again where some publications are concerned. I'm looking at you Digital Foundry.