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Doctor, Doctor MAFIA | It's not Lupus

cabot

Member
Wild Beasts played in the background as doctor and rocket scientist alike formed the human sexipede.

What doesn't come in your mouth, comes up your pie hole.

Doctors.

squidyj has been killed. He was TOWN DOCTOR


1. [m] Sorian
2. [m] *Splinter
7. [m] CrimsonFist
8. [m] nin1000
9. [m] flatearthpandas

4. [m] Ty4on TOWN DOCTOR
5. [m] squidyj TOWN DOCTOR
6. [m] Hobohodo TOWN NURSE
3. [m] Burbeting MAFIA GOON

DAY 4 BEGINS:
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cabot

Member
DAY 4 BEGINS

"The bodies couldn't handle the semen."

It was something out of Alien, except instead of an alien chest bursting through the humans, it was gallons of the male love juice.

"DocCon will never be the same again without our resident lover and dangerous chilean."

The remaining doctor's looked at each other, looking for those rocket flavoured power pants that would give them the win.

nin1000 has been killed. He was TOWN DOCTOR.
*Splinter has been killed. He was TOWN DOCTOR.


1. [m] Sorian
7. [m] CrimsonFist
9. [m] flatearthpandas

2. [m] *Splinter TOWN DOCTOR
4. [m] Ty4on TOWN DOCTOR
5. [m] squidyj TOWN DOCTOR
6. [m] Hobohodo TOWN NURSE
8. [m] nin1000 TOWN DOCTOR
3. [m] Burbeting MAFIA GOON


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Sorian

Banned
ATTENTION

The first vote placed by each player will be locked for the phase.

Doctors.

Ok, this means don't place a vote down right away and everyone should check in and talk before anyone gets brash and loses the game. I'm probably top suspect out of the 3 of us? It's wisest to get scum to vote first so that they can't snipe the vote but I doubt it's believable for me to just say it's not me so I'll lay the first vote.

Can everyone do 3 things before any votes are cast? Re-explain all of your night actions so far and why you chose them. Tell us why and where it shows that you couldn't be partnered with Burb. And then the obvious, your thoughts and reads on the two remaining people.

I'll do a post with all of those in a bit, I want to actually go through all of the night actions thus far and see if there is an obvious answer.
 

Sorian

Banned
Well, I'll start for now, going through all of the night actions and trying to put together who was what is proving harder than I thought.

First night I did nothing, I was opposed to everyone acting at once in a disorganized matter and I bit the bullet to stay home since I knew it was far likelier that others would want to act. I did also spin the wheel and got do not act but the wheel idea seemed to be dropped by most anyway so I probably would have stayed home even if I got the opposite result on the wheel.

After seeing that no one died N1, I figured the odds were slightly in my favor that I was a killing role as opposed to a protective role seeing as how two people stayed home, one of us probably was. Seemed to have been nin so it hardly matters but I went with the feeling and targeted my top suspect as opposed to my top town, which was squidy.

Last night, I believed in the megastack so I went with nin, probably would have gone that way anyway because I was stuck in a loop of it having to be squidy or nin which ended up being totally wrong.

As far as why I'm not Burb's partner, I still stick by the end of day vote where he died, I could have saved him easily and in such a small game with only two scum, I definitely would have. This game is very favored for scum to get rolled much faster once they lose one of the two members because of the viability of that mega stack. Saving Burb day 2 would have been the clear cut right option for my position so that we could have gone into the night with 5 town and 2 scum and then hope to dodge some more blows that night while getting a NK off.

As far as my suspicions about one or both of you, I do have some questions to ask but I want you both to actually show up and talk first, preferably answer the two questiosn I've already answered.
 

Sorian

Banned
Well I i promised nin i would self vote to piss cabot off so I'm ready whenever. Let's hear from crimson first though.

Do me a solid and recap your night actions with reasonings please and tell me what distances you from Burb.

No self voting, lie to nin like I always do :p
 
I suppose either someone fucked up the stack or... jailor was dead. Both cpr and and quack were alive. One kill was saved, the other merc'd nin. Nin was not either. No one was naive or cpr would have saved. So nin did not kill ty. Nin was naive. I think it's likely i am a killer.

If crim is town, he's probably not a killer. Squid was probably not jailor, was not a killing role. If sorian is scum, squid wad not weak.

Between splinter, fep, sorian, and crimson there was cpr, quack, scum, and weak/doc

This all seem right?
 
Do me a solid and recap your night actions with reasonings please and tell me what distances you from Burb.

D1. Tried to lynch Burb because i felt he was trying to manipulate town.
N1. Targeted burb. Hoped to maybe merc him because i failed to lynch him
D2. Tried to lynch burb.
N2. Targeted sorian. Basically still hoped to be a killer and had scum feelings i never really talked about
D3. Voted nin. My b.
N3. Stacked on nin




So, if I'm reading right, crimson only voted d2.
 

Sorian

Banned
I suppose either someone fucked up the stack or... jailor was dead. Both cpr and and quack were alive. One kill was saved, the other merc'd nin. Nin was not either. No one was naive or cpr would have saved. So nin did not kill ty. Nin was naive. I think it's likely i am a killer.

If crim is town, he's probably not a killer. Squid was probably not jailor, was not a killing role. If sorian is scum, squid wad not weak.

Between splinter, fep, sorian, and crimson there was cpr, quack, scum, and weak/doc

This all seem right?

A lot of this is wrong actually if I understand roles correctly but I want to hear from Crimson first.
 

Sorian

Banned
Well for starters, a CPR and a quack on the same target turns the CPR into a healer so there would only be one killer, not two.
 
Well for starters, a CPR and a quack on the same target turns the CPR into a healer so there would only be one killer, not two.

How did nin die then? I figured it has to be something like normal doc blocks quack, cpr kills since there are no other attacks on target.
 
Here are my conclusions, may medical science help us all. This is dependent on town telling the truth and following the stack last night. Also tons of assumptions but it adds up.

All three of us are stone cold killers. One through ineptitude (sorian obvs) and the others because of better reasons.

Nin was naive. He targeted Ty but failed to save him.

Why couldn't he be a killer?

Because Nin died last night as stack target. That means we had more kills than protection. Splinter also died so we know scum did not target nin. We should assume splinter targeted nin, who we know was town. 5 people. Scum on splinter. Nin doing nothing. Three people stacked on nin. Two killers and a healer. For whatever reason, the healer blocked the quack and the cpr did the rest. None of us are jailor or else Nin would be alive.

So who was the healer? Splinter.

In fact:
fep -> ?? cpr/quack
crim --> ?? cpr/quack
splint --> healer
sorian --> ?? cpr/quack
squid --> healer
burb --> scum
nin --> naive
ty4 --> ?? jail

n1.
Splinter and Crimson on Ty. One attack, one save.

N2.
Splinter and Sorian on Squid. One attack, one save.

If crimson was scum and Splinter was a killer, Ty would have died n1
If Sorian was scum and Splinter was a killer, Squid would have died n2.

As far as I'm concerned one of you has to be scum so splinter therefore has to be a healing role.

Now n2 was interesting. We have crimson targeting nin but no deaths. But we had a jailor out and about still most likely. If it was ty, we don't know his target. But we know who definitely wasn't jailed. Ty. Squidy. Splinter. Otherwise i would have killed sorian or sorian would have killed squid. He could have targeted any of us. Targeting nin orcrimson would explain why nin survived.

Personally, I think ty targeted sorian. He was defending nin and I don't think has much to say about crimson, while he seemed suspicious of sorian.

This is all also assuming ty was the jailor. But it had to have been him or squid since we didn't have it last night. If it was squid he would have jailed Sorian. That would confirm Sorian as town since scum kill did occur.

And well, that's kind of where I'm at.
Crimson has a claimed target n2 that doesn't match with him being a killing role. It's likely Sorian spent n2 in the slammer whoever the jailor was.
 

Sorian

Banned
Here are my conclusions, may medical science help us all. This is dependent on town telling the truth and following the stack last night. Also tons of assumptions but it adds up.

All three of us are stone cold killers. One through ineptitude (sorian obvs) and the others because of better reasons.

Nin was naive. He targeted Ty but failed to save him.

Why couldn't he be a killer?

Because Nin died last night as stack target. That means we had more kills than protection. Splinter also died so we know scum did not target nin. We should assume splinter targeted nin, who we know was town. 5 people. Scum on splinter. Nin doing nothing. Three people stacked on nin. Two killers and a healer. For whatever reason, the healer blocked the quack and the cpr did the rest. None of us are jailor or else Nin would be alive.

So who was the healer? Splinter.

In fact:
fep -> ?? cpr/quack
crim --> ?? cpr/quack
splint --> healer
sorian --> ?? cpr/quack
squid --> healer
burb --> scum
nin --> naive
ty4 --> ?? jail

n1.
Splinter and Crimson on Ty. One attack, one save.

N2.
Splinter and Sorian on Squid. One attack, one save.

If crimson was scum and Splinter was a killer, Ty would have died n1
If Sorian was scum and Splinter was a killer, Squid would have died n2.

As far as I'm concerned one of you has to be scum so splinter therefore has to be a healing role.

Now n2 was interesting. We have crimson targeting nin but no deaths. But we had a jailor out and about still most likely. If it was ty, we don't know his target. But we know who definitely wasn't jailed. Ty. Squidy. Splinter. Otherwise i would have killed sorian or sorian would have killed squid. He could have targeted any of us. Targeting nin orcrimson would explain why nin survived.

Personally, I think ty targeted sorian. He was defending nin and I don't think has much to say about crimson, while he seemed suspicious of sorian.

This is all also assuming ty was the jailor. But it had to have been him or squid since we didn't have it last night. If it was squid he would have jailed Sorian. That would confirm Sorian as town since scum kill did occur.

And well, that's kind of where I'm at.
Crimson has a claimed target n2 that doesn't match with him being a killing role. It's likely Sorian spent n2 in the slammer whoever the jailor was.

I was hoping Crimson would show up because there is one thing he could say that would tell me right away that you are the scum (or vice-versa but you've already given a different story) which is why I was being vague last night before I went to bed but this may not to get real before he even talks so sure, let's talk on your theory first. I've been classified as the CPR by you since day 3 and you're read followed shortly on Splinter's who was saying the same thing. How in the world are you pushing me as a killer after night 2? There is the slight chance that Ty was on squidy which suddenly makes that work but otherwise, it's more likely that I'm a healer or naive. As a matter of fact, it's likely that I'm naive. Here's what I think the spread is if we are real:

Sorian Naïve
Splinter Quack/CPR
Burbeting Scum
Ty4on Paranoid/Ordinary
Squidyj Paranoid/Weak/Ordinary
Hobohodo Nurse
CrimsonFist Ordinary/Weak
Nin1000 Quack/CPR
flatearthpandas Scum

But here it is with Crimson as scum:

Sorian Naïve
Splinter Paranoid/Weak/Ordinary
Burb Scum
Ty4on Paranoid/Ordinary
Squidy Paranoid/Weak/Ordinary
Hobohodo Nurse
Crimson Scum
Nin CPR/Quack
FEP CPR/Quack

What it comes down to is the last night in all honesty. Nin died and there were 5 players left when we tried to mega stack. The scum does not count and nin does not count since he can't target himself which leaves 3 left. I looked at this forever yesterday to make sure I wasn't crazy. The only way for nin to have died during a mega stack is if the paranoid, weak, ordinary, and CPR OR quack were unable to target him. At the time these night actions were submitted Ty4on is dead, let's call him paranoid. squidyj is dead, let's call him weak. nin is unable to self-target, let's call him a quack. And that's it, in this example, the ordinary is alive and well but label everyone however you'd like, no matter how you do it, there is always at least one healer left for this stack. Sorry but I don't buy that an ordinary cancels out a quack leaving the CPR to still be a killer. The rule is clear: "saves their target from a nightkill, but if the player isn't actually targeted for a nightkill, the CPR Doctor kills them instead." If the quack or scum is EVER on the target, the CPR doctor automatically goes into healing stance regardless of other doctors there and cabot can have all of my salt if he did it the wrong way.

So, sure, how did nin die? The only way he could have, someone didn't stack. I know I was on nin, which is why I must be naive, I didn't kill squidy N2 and I did jackshit N3. I would hope Splinter was on nin since he brought up the idea again and fuck this if he died on a town lie that confused this further which left me with you two. You weren't on board with the mega stack but said you'd do it if push came to shove and you claim to have done it. Crimson has been afk for a majority of this game and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he never got an action in or didn't know what the plan was. It's the only thing that makes sense. It's also why the world where Crimson is scum is hard to believe, it's the one where Splinter talked up the stack, helped make sure that everyone was on board, then he fucked right off to go do something that wasn't nin. He also thought he was the ordinary last I checked which means he went off to guard....who? Me? lol sure, you or Crimson? Doubtful. I just don't see it.

If we take it one step further and do actually assume that I'm a CPR/Quack and Ty did target squidy N2 then things are messier. It's still likely that nin is the other killing role but then the two killing roles happened to not act N1 which does help with the no kill night but makes it hard to gauge who healed anything. I'd get something like this:

Sorian CPR/Quack
Splinter Naive
Burb Scum
Ty4on Paranoid/Ordinary
Squidy Paranoid/Weak/Ordinary
Hobohodo Nurse
Crimson Paranoid/Weak/Ordinary/Scum
Nin CPR/Quack
FEP Paranoid/Weak/Ordinary/Scum

But it's still the same issue, someone wasn't on the mega stack.
 

Sorian

Banned
I've built my case. Crimson, you ready to lynch some scum?

Also from a pure reads standpoint, this is a very weird post considering that you've now outlined a case where you think I am town and Crimson is scum. If you are scum though then the only problem is you played bus to win and sat on your partner, literally the whole game until he died. The issue is though looking back through all of your posts, you never once tried to convince someone else that Burb was a good vote, you just had your vote down and then you were mechanics all day everyday.

Can't say Crimson is a ton better in terms of scum hunting but there are posts there with reads and, proportionally, they are around more than yours.
 
You seriously think I'm scum who spent half of the game bussing my teammate?

Crimson has been afking the whole game but he has been acting at night.

And I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be about night 2. You and Splinter were both on the target. What makes you more likely to be the doctor than splinter?
 
Also from a pure reads standpoint, this is a very weird post considering that you've now outlined a case where you think I am town and Crimson is scum. If you are scum though then the only problem is you played bus to win and sat on your partner, literally the whole game until he died. The issue is though looking back through all of your posts, you never once tried to convince someone else that Burb was a good vote, you just had your vote down and then you were mechanics all day everyday.

Can't say Crimson is a ton better in terms of scum hunting but there are posts there with reads and, proportionally, they are around more than yours.

Eh, was trying to bait a response out of one of you.

Regarding burbeting, I gave reasons why I thought he was scummy both days.
 
Night 1 I targeted Ty. I had a look over some of the games which were run on mafiascum, and in general, people didn't seem to spend too much time talking about night actions on day 1, and town had the majority of wins there. I figured that acting was probably the better choice. As for why I picked Ty, hI was kind of reading him fairly neutrally, with no strong feelings on his alignment. Less odds of dying myself if I was weak, or accidentally killing one of the more town read people.

Night 2 I picked Nin. I was scum reading him to a degree, with the only real point in his favour being Burbs slight push on him. Night 1 results didn't really give me much hint as to what my role was, so I didn't really have much to go on with regards to if I was a positive or negative utility doctor, so I just went with someone who I wasn't overly trusting of.

Last night I went with the megastack plan as suggested and targeted Nin.

Why I'm not Burb's partner: Looking back, I didn't really interact with him that much. He went after me a bit for my activity, which is quite an easy point for scum to go after.

As for who I think is scum. The main point in Sorian's defence is that he was the deciding vote on Burb. Maybe if Sorian was constantly going for Burb, it would be easier to see it as a bus vote, especially considering how Sorian typically seems to play scum, but then playstyles can change from game to game anyway. But at that point he could have voted Nin and saved his scum teammate, assuming Squidy didn't tie it with his next vote. Reading the end of day back though, Squidy and Ty were the ones who really put Burb on the table for a lynch at the end of day, with Sorian not even seeming to scum read him until right at the last moment.

Pandas was gunning for Burb all game. As far as I can see, Burb votes Pandas based on little reasoning (168) and Pandas immediately responds with a seemingly OMGUS vote (185). Day 1 Burb was going after Pandas quite a bit. Day 2 comes around and Burb is now going after Nin. He throws a bit of light shade on Pandas, but isn't really continuing to go after him. Panda's day 2 vote on Burb is fairly early on and just seems to be a gut read, and then he lightly continues to push this throughout the day.

One of you bussed your teammate at least. Either Sorian last minute decided that bussing was the better option, or Pandas' consistent bussing. His initial reasoning for voting Burb at least isn't very convincing.
 

Sorian

Banned
You seriously think I'm scum who spent half of the game bussing my teammate?

Crimson has been afking the whole game but he has been acting at night.

And I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be about night 2. You and Splinter were both on the target. What makes you more likely to be the doctor than splinter?

Splinter was on me and I was on squidy:

Tired of looking it up so many times:

N1
Ty4on -> Burbeting
Burbeting -> Nin
*Splinter -> Ty4on
CrimsonFist -> Ty4on
Flatearthpandas -> Burbeting
Nin -> Nobody
Sorian -> Nobody
Squidyj -> Sorian
No deaths

N2
Ty4on -> Unknown
*Splinter -> Sorian
CrimsonFist -> nin
Flatearthpandas -> Sorian
Nin -> Ty4on
Sorian -> squidyj
Squidyj -> Sorian
Ty4on killed
 

Sorian

Banned
I need to leave for a little bit so if someone wants homework. Is there a world where nin is weak and somehow killed himself last night?
 
I guess we didn't read the same day 2, Crimson.

I can see why, since it goes against your already weak explanation of why you aren't burb's partner.

Burb voted nin. Gave one post explanation. Then spent the rest of the day talking about me... and you! And, interesting, he finds me the more scummy.

I kept on about burb as the day closed.


The easy answer here, in this game, is that no one bussed burb. One of us was busy voting town that day.
 

Sorian

Banned
You're working with bad info, broham

Hmm, I read this as him talking about where to go for a lynch but it could be night actions too. What a time for a typo if he got his own night action wrong in a summary post. Though that does change things that I'll need to figure out when I get home, that doesn't change that someone wasn't in the mega stack.
 
No, I don't see any way that Nin could have died due to being weak. If he was, then Ty shouldn't have died night 2. I was the only one on Nin, and if I was the jailer, then Nin wouldn't have been able to act last night and kill himself.
 
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Hmm, I read this as him talking about where to go for a lynch but it could be night actions too. What a time for a typo if he got his own night action wrong in a summary post. Though that does change things that I'll need to figure out when I get home, that doesn't change that someone wasn't in the mega stack.
Definitely his night action. Otherwise he went a long time without claiming and we all just let that happen.

If we're assuming town lied about actions or didn't follow plans them there is no point in trying to guess anyone's roles.

QUOTE=CrimsonFist;213130641]No, I don't see any way that Nin could have died due to being weak. If he was, then Ty shouldn't have died night 2. I was the only one on Nin, and if I was the jailer, then Nin wouldn't have been able to act last night and kill himself.[/QUOTE]
The jailor could only have been squid or ty.

Else jailor splinter targeted one of us, blocking what would have otherwise been protection on nin.

Much more likely ty was jail and that's why he was merc'd imo. Nin was unable to protect him, meaning he wasn't weak or any protection at all. I ran some scenarios that day on the likelihood of scum killing the jailor n2 if they knew who it was, while everyone else acted randomly. Scum successfully killed jail basically every time.
 
Ugh... quote break.

Anyway, it's 2am. I'm going to set an alarm but I need to sleep tonight. I'll save my vote for now but i am pretty sure where it's going. Don't be hasty, guys. Sorian is aching to mislynch and I'm going to be pretty disappointed if I wake up to that.

My logic for burb is under attack for whatever reason when i am the only person who ever made any argument against him whatsoever and i did several times. And I was right. In a game where town has several chances to block or even kill scum, bussing with zero effort to confuse the town is not a good strategy. I did not throw shade at anyone else afair, just sat on Burb.

Occam's razor, we don't need to confuse things any more than they inherently are.
 

Sorian

Banned
I'll lay my vote about an hour before time, I'm on mobile until then. I know it seems like I'm set on FEP but I'm rereading things while
I can. Just sitting on Burb the entire time by itself does not mean much though. That's what I've done as scum in almost every scum game I've been in and it works, a lot.
 

Sorian

Banned
Crimson, you have anything else to say? Looking at night actions seems to have gotten me nowhere and I don't think the answer is magically sitting there. I see a case for both of you and I'm leaning one way but this quiet routine isn't flying in lylo.
 

Sorian

Banned
In before I fuck this up completely

VOTE: flatearthpandas

It's the exact same arguments, exact same scenario. Crimson is the "obvious" scum based on weak play and FEP is squeaky clean. The appeals today have been not to fuck this up and not to ignore the obvious but never enough of a poke at me or Crimson, it's you looking like you're ready to jump on either one and that's the sign, it's exactly what I did when I was scum that bussed it down to lylo.

Sorry if I'm wrong and if I am, guess squidy was right that I would lose it for town.

I almost swerved to Crimson here, I've had this post written for like 10 minutes now but I'm laying in the bed I made, gg.
 
Wow, I'll just afk all my games from now on. Are you fucking kidding me? Lynch the only motherfucker who ever tried to lynch a scum. And make me get up at 5am to drop the vote without any discussion.

I'm 95% sure Crimson is the scum but I guess my hands are tied here.

vote: sorian

Hopefully Squid was right, Crimson, if you are town and haven't already ended the game, what do you need to vote Sorian?
 

cabot

Member
DAY 4 HAS ENDED

The world changed that day.

They stopped saving lives and focused on finding alien life forms to hook with. Using great fancy mechanics and jet engines.


As the rocket scientist feasted on the brains of feps, sorian could only scream.


Time of death 21.18.

SCUM has won the game!

Congratulations to Burbeting and CrimsonFist!
 
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