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[Gitaroo]

i have this tv and it is amazing

i initially went with the sony x850d as the price difference was over $1000 CAD. the input lag in HDR was horrendous (90+ ms), the blacks were terrible, and brightness wasn't very good and the picture just looked sort of washed out overall

super happy i took it back and got the ks8000 instead. nicest piece of electronics i have ever owned

I am kind of on same boat, bought the x850D last saturday but since I saw the rtings results with 4k hdr input lag, I have been talking to sony support ever since and non of them have a clue what I am talking about. Very frustrating! The ks8000 in the review is actually the ks9000 here in canada, Which is $3400, I just checked. Rtings says the ks8000 (US) model is very close to it, but that was $1000 more. Its not even a fair comparison to the X850D, price difference is like comparing two different level of products. But it looks like the ks8000 (US model )is on sale this week, but it is still 500 more than the X850D that I have paid for.

My other concerns for the ks8000 are:

-do i still have to worry about panel lottery with samsung?
-android tv is very sluggish but at least it allow me to side load android apps and support google cast natively. How is tizen os compare to android tv?
-does pc detect the screen as 4k native res? Because the x850D edid tells my Gf970 that its native res is 1080p and it broke the gpu scaler since geforce require the desktop res to be the same as screen native res in order to work.
- I used to own a samsung tv years ago, the damn thing would not allow me to turn off the junk edge, image enhancement even if I set the input to pc or games. I didn't understand why reviewers said it was great, as it only made everything looks super grainy and pixelated for a slightly more saturated color. Are you capable of turning off all the image processing with the ks8000?

 

[Havel]

I wish this had a 40" version.

If you live in the EU they have a 43" curved model (KS7500. KS8500 in the US).

There isn't really any difference between any of the KS models in-terms of picture quality, sans the flagship KS9500 (KS9800). My advice to everyone in this thread is to get the KS7000 (KS8000 in NA) over the KS8000 (KS9000 in NA).

 

[BreakAtmo]

If you live in the EU they have a 43" curved model (KS7500. KS8500 in the US).

There isn't really any difference between any of the KS models in-terms of quality, sans the flagship KS9500 (KS9800).

I live in Australia so I'm not sure, but we do frequently get screwed when it comes to smaller models. Right now the top tvs in that range here seem to be the Sony X80D (same as X800D that I've heard bad things about) and the KU6000.

 

[farisr]

The (NA) KS8000 price here in Canada is ridiculous. $2300. Even at the regular MSRP USD price, it should come out to $2000 at most. At the current sale prices ($1200 USD) it should be around $1600 CAD.

No place is offering it for that over here. There is a place online (that's shipping from the US) which can get me the tv for the proper amount, but for a big purchase like this, it's best to get from a retail store in case you need to exchange it or something.

I hope they fix the pricing soon.

The Sony X800D models seem to be priced appropriately.

 

[Boombloxer]

So this is better than the LG OLEDs for gaming?

In game mode, the LG is 34ms or thereabouts with a vastly superior picture.
So it depends on what you want and can afford.

For me, the LG wins hands down.

Personally, I would not buy an OLED for gaming due to image retention / burn-in issues. That is not something I want to have to think about when using a TV.

So long as you break in the TV right during the first 100 hours or so, you don't have to worr about this. I had the EG9600, and would leave it on Destiny or Netflix or Amazon for hours and no retention. I have the B6 now and expect the same thing. Fairly overblown at this point.

 

[GeoNeo]

I live in Australia so I'm not sure, but we do frequently get screwed when it comes to smaller models. Right now the top tvs in that range here seem to be the Sony X80D (same as X800D that I've heard bad things about) and the KU6000.

They don't offer it in Australia. There is no way possible for you to go 50"? Honestly, you can get some amazing deals on UHD TVs in Australia.

 

[GeoNeo]

In game mode, the LG is 34ms or thereabouts with a vastly superior picture.
So it depends on what you want and can afford.

Sadly, atm LG's OLED don't support HDR under game mode so you are stuck using normal HDR mode which ups the input lag a crazy amount.

I'm sure LG will fix this for next years model (a firmware update would be nice for this years models too...).

I'm personally waiting on LG's 2017 sets can't wait.

 

[Havel]

Sadly, atm LG's OLED don't support HDR under game mode so you are stuck using normal HDR mode which ups the input lag a crazy amount.

I'm sure LG will fix this for next years model (a firmware update would be nice for this years models too...).

I'm personally waiting on LG's 2017 sets can't wait.

I would kill for a 40" 4k OLED from LG next year.

Spoiler

Won't happen, but I can dream.

 

[Rbk_3]

I really want this TV for HDR gaming but I cannot deal with backlight bleed edge lit TVs suffer from. Sucks the Vizio has over 60ms lag in HDR or it would be perfect.

 

[ShutterMunster]

Props to this dude for explaining this well enough, and in such simple terms that I'll never bother explaining it myself anymore, I'll just send them this link.

Again, HDR is the real fucking deal. Don't cheap out on a TV because you're impatient. HDR is about accuracy and buying a lame panel kinda defeats its purpose.

EDIT: 4:2:2 chroma subsampling is not a huge deal unless you're using your display as a PC monitor. Most television content (including UHD Blu-Ray) is 4:2:0.

 

[Gitaroo]

I live in Australia so I'm not sure, but we do frequently get screwed when it comes to smaller models. Right now the top tvs in that range here seem to be the Sony X80D (same as X800D that I've heard bad things about) and the KU6000.

X800D is great for the price and sizes. The one prior to the x800D like the x850D, x930d and x940d are the one that have insanely high input lag in 4k hdr. The X800D actually shipped with a newer mediatek processor that is almost twice as power and a newer version of android os.

 

[Later Alligator]

I am kind of on same boat, bought the x850D last saturday but since I saw the rtings results with 4k hdr input lag, I have been talking to sony support ever since and non of them have a clue what I am talking about. Very frustrating! The ks8000 in the review is actually the ks9000 here in canada, Which is $3400, I just checked. Rtings says the ks8000 (US) model is very close to it, but that was $1000 more. Its not even a fair comparison to the X850D, price difference is like comparing two different level of products. But it looks like the ks8000 (US model )is on sale this week, but it is still 500 more than the X850D that I have paid for.

My other concerns for the ks8000 are:

-do i still have to worry about panel lottery with samsung?
-android tv is very sluggish but at least it allow me to side load android apps and support google cast natively. How is tizen os compare to android tv?
-does pc detect the screen as 4k native res? Because the x850D edid tells my Gf970 that its native res is 1080p and it broke the gpu scaler since geforce require the desktop res to be the same as screen native res in order to work.
- I used to own a samsung tv years ago, the damn thing would not allow me to turn off the junk edge, image enhancement even if I set the input to pc or games. I didn't understand why reviewers said it was great, as it only made everything looks super grainy and pixelated for a slightly more saturated color. Are you capable of turning off all the image processing with the ks8000?

i got it at 2599, the next day it dropped to 1999 so i price matched and got a refund of the difference - best buy does a 30 day price guarantee, as well as a 30 day return period (no questions ask, even with box open). so an extra $500 over the x850d

-do i still have to worry about panel lottery with samsung?
never heard of this, the one i got is flawless, though maybe i just got lucky

-android tv is very sluggish but at least it allow me to side load android apps and support google cast natively. How is tizen os compare to android tv?
garbage. the sony is way better at this stuff. getting kodi installed on the TV was a nice feature for sure

-does pc detect the screen as 4k native res? Because the x850D edid tells my Gf970 that its native res is 1080p and it broke the gpu scaler since geforce require the desktop res to be the same as screen native res in order to work.
detects at 4k native. though so did the x850d for me

- I used to own a samsung tv years ago, the damn thing would not allow me to turn off the junk edge, image enhancement even if I set the input to pc or games. I didn't understand why reviewers said it was great, as it only made everything looks super grainy and pixelated for a slightly more saturated color. Are you capable of turning off all the image processing with the ks8000?
i have everything turned off and both inputs in game mode

 

[GeoNeo]

I would kill for a 40" 4k OLED from LG next year.

Spoiler

Won't happen, but I can dream.

Won't happen not worth it for them considering the yields to sale ratio would be horrible so they might end up losing money.

55" is the most popular size these days for general consumers. 40 and so on use to be more popular many many years a go.

 

[DirgeExtinction]

It'd be nice if Vizio can push an update to lower the input lag on the P-Series with GLL + HDR

 

[GeoNeo]

It'd be nice if Vizio can push an update to lower the input lag on the P-Series with GLL + HDR

The CEO sometimes posts on AVS wonder if anyone has asked if they can push out an update they are very responsive which is cool to see.

More gamers here that own P-Series need to create AVS accounts push for update or even start petition legit Vizio I think would care enough to push out a update plus it would give them even more good rep in the U.S.

 

[Rbk_3]

The CEO sometimes posts on AVS wonder if anyone has asked if they can push out an update they are very responsive which is cool to see.

More gamers here that own P-Series need to create AVS accounts push for update or even start petition legit Vizio I think would care enough to push out a update plus it would give them even more good rep in the U.S.

Matt hasn't posted in over a month. The thread has been full of people complaining about the HDR input lag, but no comments from him.

 

[Haines]

Does anyone know the correct model number for canada?

This is the 8000 but it seems to have different stand?

http://www.bestbuy.ca/Search/Search...b9b4beca91fe414314b86bb581f8en20&query=Ks8000

Even on sale, that model is still 2 grand for only a 55 inch

 

[GeoNeo]

Matt hasn't posted in over a month. The thread has been full of people complaining about the HDR input lag, but no comments from him.

Hopefully, he updates the owners. An update would be nice.

 

[BreakAtmo]

They don't offer it in Australia. There is no way possible for you to go 50"? Honestly, you can get some amazing deals on UHD TVs in Australia.

Afraid not, my current 40" is already huge. I used to use a 32". 43 is my maximum.

X800D is great for the price and sizes. The one prior to the x800D like the x850D, x930d and x940d are the one that have insanely high input lag in 4k hdr. The X800D actually shipped with a newer mediatek processor that is almost twice as power and a newer version of android os.

Really? Does it actually do proper HDR with Wide Color Gamut?

Also, I was assuming that the models are the same but I may be wrong. Is this truly 100% identical to the 43" X800D you're talking about?

 

[BlackProdigy]

input lag is overrated you guys acting like yall are pro gamers..LGOLED is the way to go

 

[Havel]

Does anyone know the correct model number for canada?

This is the 8000 but it seems to have different stand?

http://www.bestbuy.ca/Search/Search...b9b4beca91fe414314b86bb581f8en20&query=Ks8000

Even on sale, that model is still 2 grand for only a 55 inch

The model in the OP is the KS9000 if you are in NA. But there isn't any difference in picture quality between the 8000 and 9000, so you are better off going for the KS8000 if you do take the plunge.

 

[Haines]

The model in the OP is the KS9000 if you are in NA. But there isn't any difference in picture quality between the 8000 and 9000, so you are better off going for the KS8000 if you do take the plunge.

Ok, thanks. What is the difference between the two, if not picture quality?

 

[Gitaroo]

i got it at 2599, the next day it dropped to 1999 so i price matched and got a refund of the difference - best buy does a 30 day price guarantee, as well as a 30 day return period (no questions ask, even with box open). so an extra $500 over the x850d

-do i still have to worry about panel lottery with samsung?
never heard of this, the one i got is flawless, though maybe i just got lucky

-android tv is very sluggish but at least it allow me to side load android apps and support google cast natively. How is tizen os compare to android tv?
garbage. the sony is way better at this stuff. getting kodi installed on the TV was a nice feature for sure

-does pc detect the screen as 4k native res? Because the x850D edid tells my Gf970 that its native res is 1080p and it broke the gpu scaler since geforce require the desktop res to be the same as screen native res in order to work.
detects at 4k native. though so did the x850d for me

- I used to own a samsung tv years ago, the damn thing would not allow me to turn off the junk edge, image enhancement even if I set the input to pc or games. I didn't understand why reviewers said it was great, as it only made everything looks super grainy and pixelated for a slightly more saturated color. Are you capable of turning off all the image processing with the ks8000?
i have everything turned off and both inputs in game mode

Thank you very much for the feed back, the ks8000 is on sale this week so I have until thursday to see if sony had say anything. I am very reluctant on switching because even paying 1500 for the x850D is a bit over my budget; 2000 would be way over and not to mention even after discounts, the Canadian pricing is horrible compare to the US. It should be around 1600 CAD.... The panel lottery case was very common especially for samsung a couple years ago when I was reading users feedbacks on the earlier samsung 4k tv, you have 1 out of 3 chance of getting a good panel which turn me off from getting any samsung tv..... Guess you won't know unless you compare different suppliers side by side. The X850D let me change the resolution to 4:4:4 4k, it just that the nvidia control panel list 1080p as native resolution instead of 4k.

 

[wachie]

I'm buying the first 4k 10 bit hdr tv that's 500 Canadian dollars

You and me, bro. You and me.

 

[farisr]

So I've basically decided now:

I won't be getting a TV this year, unless the 49 inch KS8000 (NA) comes down to around $1400 CAD or less during black friday or boxing day at a best buy/walmart etc (or around $1000 CAD from a US based online retailer that offers free shipping to Canada)

 

[Havel]

Ok, thanks. What is the difference between the two, if not picture quality?

Aesthetics and some TV tuning stuff.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

In game mode, the LG is 34ms or thereabouts with a vastly superior picture.
So it depends on what you want and can afford.

For me, the LG wins hands down.

Do we have any numbers on the input lag with a 4K HDR signal? There was some discussion on how 4K and/or HDR affects things in game mode, which is why I'm assuming this thread came up since it clarifies those numbers for the Samsung.

 

[jeffc919]

Yup my room setup can't go higher than 43" as well.

I don't mean to be argumentative but I....just don't get this. I mean unless your room is closet sized it can obviously accommodate a much larger TV. It probably just means other shit has to be moved around to make that happen. I would take a look at recommended viewing distances for 4k and 1080p. 4k really is wasted on a smaller screen unless you are right on top of the thing. With 1080p you can move further back before your eyes start to lose the detail but even for that a relatively small room should optimally have a 55" or larger screen. Having budget constraints is a good reason to go smaller but that aside I would get the biggest TV at a price you're willing to spend that has the features/specs you are looking for. I see so many living rooms with small-ish TVs buried in the corner and then the couch 12-15' away on the other side of the room....and don't even get me started on people that mount their TVs way up high on the wall or above the fireplace!

 

[Gitaroo]

Afraid not, my current 40" is already huge. I used to use a 32". 43 is my maximum.



Really? Does it actually do proper HDR with Wide Color Gamut?

Also, I was assuming that the models are the same but I may be wrong. Is this truly 100% identical to the 43" X800D you're talking about?

Short answer is no, it does not meet UHD certification; but you should still see difference when hdr is on with improved color gamut, since it has 10bit panel unlike most entry/low end 4k hdr capable tv. Just read this

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d

I am not sure what the pricing is like in Australia, but using the us MSRP as a base you are get exactly what you are paying for. And unlike the x850D, the x800D doesn't not have input lag issue and should be good to go for ps4pro and xbox one s.

 

[BreakAtmo]

I don't mean to be argumentative but I....just don't get this. I mean unless your room is closet sized it can obviously accommodate a much larger TV. It probably just means other shit has to be moved around to make that happen. I would take a look at recommended viewing distances for 4k and 1080p. 4k really is wasted on a smaller screen unless you are right on top of the thing. With 1080p you can move further back before your eyes start to lose the detail but even for that a relatively small room should optimally have a 55" or larger screen. Having budget constraints is a good reason to go smaller but that aside I would get the biggest TV at a price you're willing to spend that has the features/specs you are looking for. I see so many living rooms with small-ish TVs buried in the corner and then the couch 12-15' away on the other side of the room....and don't even get me started on people that mount their TVs way up high on the wall or above the fireplace!

I am right on top of the thing. I stand less than a metre from my TV, which sits on a desk, and I have very limited space.

Not to mention that 50-55" TVs wouldn't just be too big, they'd also cost a lot more. I don't want to pay extra for more size I don't want and can't fit, I want to get the best quality for a relatively cheap price by going with the small size.

 

[jeffc919]

Afraid not, my current 40" is already huge. I used to use a 32". 43 is my maximum.

Curious...are you using it at a desk with a PC or maybe at a desk with your console, so you're sitting very close to it?

 

[jeffc919]

I am right on top of the thing. I stand less than a metre from my TV, which sits on a desk, and I have very limited space.

Not to mention that 50-55" TVs wouldn't just be too big, they'd also cost a lot more. I don't want to pay extra for more size I don't want and can't fit, I want to get the best quality for a relatively cheap price by going with the small size.

Ha, that makes sense. I was starting to think that might be the case when I saw the other post above with someone wanting a smaller screen.

 

[BreakAtmo]

Curious...are you using it at a desk with a PC or maybe at a desk with your console, so you're sitting very close to it?

Both. I use a single display for everything I do to save money, so I use it at a standing desk, right up close, especially when using KB+M.

 

[RedRum]

55 inch KS8000 here. Worth every penny.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I am right on top of the thing. I stand less than a metre from my TV, which sits on a desk, and I have very limited space.

Not to mention that 50-55" TVs wouldn't just be too big, they'd also cost a lot more. I don't want to pay extra for more size I don't want and can't fit, I want to get the best quality for a relatively cheap price by going with the small size.

The main issue you'll run into is that the best quality and tech will be primarily in the higher end models, which often aren't offered in the smaller sizes. I don't think you'll be able to find anything under the 49-50" range for those.

So you're stuck waiting for things to get cheap enough that they can be considered standard for the lower range models, or having to wait until more 4K HDR capable monitors come out.

 

[shinobi602]

Yea, this is the one I've had my eye on (65"): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C5TFNSM/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I'll be sitting about 6 feet away and every review I've seen regarding lag, color gamut and 4K quality have given it the nod for best overall features for its price range. Planning on picking one up when the PS4 Pro is out.

 

[Gitaroo]

Both. I use a single display for everything I do to save money, so I use it at a standing desk, right up close, especially when using KB+M.

in your case maybe wait for 4K HDR capable pc mon, One of my friend use his 4K 43" philips for PC and everything else, he has to sit 3-4 feet away to be comfortable.

 

[videogamephilosopher]

It doesn't look like array lighting for Samsung televisions are on the horizon from a Web search. For people in the know when would be the next possible reveal for them?

 

[orochi91]

Unless they can release a smaller screen, I can't buy this.

Sony X800D seems to be the one for me, at this point:
+43"
+10-bit panel
+HDR
+4:4:4 chroma
+33.2 input lag in HDR/Game mode
+Less than $1000 in Canada

The calibration settings they've provided will enhance the PQ even more than it already is.

 

[BreakAtmo]

The main issue you'll run into is that the best quality and tech will be primarily in the higher end models, which often aren't offered in the smaller sizes. I don't think you'll be able to find anything under the 49-50" range for those.

So you're stuck waiting for things to get cheap enough that they can be considered standard for the lower range models, or having to wait until more 4K HDR capable monitors come out.

Yeah, it sucks. I actually found a 43" Phillips monitor that seems awesome, but lacks HDR. Maybe its successor will be my dream display.

 

[Neo_Geo]

See the mention of no clouding, and good screen uniformity, has the time come to where I can finally move away from my aging 2009 Panasonic plasma set? Even recent "high end" LED LCD Tv's have looked like dogshit in comparison.

 

[New002]

Do we have any numbers on the input lag with a 4K HDR signal? There was some discussion on how 4K and/or HDR affects things in game mode, which is why I'm assuming this thread came up since it clarifies those numbers for the Samsung.

You're asking about the OLED right? Unless I missed something in the review, or am misunderstanding your post, the numbers in the Samsung review are based on 1080p SDR and HDR signals as far as I can tell, not 4k.

 

[Syrus]

You're asking about the OLED right? Unless I missed something in the review, or am misunderstanding your post, the numbers in the Samsung review are based on 1080p SDR and HDR signals as far as I can tell, not 4k.

We have 4k hd , its 24.6 i think. Rtings tested every setting last week

 

[XiaNaphryz]

You're asking about the OLED right? Unless I missed something in the review, or am misunderstanding your post, the numbers in the Samsung review are based on 1080p SDR and HDR signals as far as I can tell, not 4k.

Yeah, I was asking him about the OLED.

As for the article in the OP, it says:

When we first calibrated a KS8000 several months ago, [Game Mode] was greyed out in HDR mode, but since then Samsung has rolled out a firmware update that allowed [Game Mode] to be switched on even during playback of HDR content. Indeed, lag time only rose a tiny bit to 22ms with [Game Mode] enabled when fed a video signal containing HDR metadata, which bodes well for playing HDR games from a Microsoft Xbox One S or PS4 Pro console. We watched a bunch of 4K Blu-rays and did some measurements in [Game Mode], and verified that HDR impact wasn’t watered-down in any significant manner (peak brightness 1200 nits).

 

[jeffc919]

For those looking for smaller TVs, Samsung KU6300 and KU7000 are 2 other options with low input lag that are available in a 40" model. These don't score as well in the reviews but might be worth a look if the negatives are things that you can live with.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku6300

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7000

For the input lag make sure to check the 4k / HDR value unless you think that's not something you care about.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

 

[MCD]

Do we have any numbers on the input lag with a 4K HDR signal? There was some discussion on how 4K and/or HDR affects things in game mode, which is why I'm assuming this thread came up since it clarifies those numbers for the Samsung.

Before we only had Rtings numbers and people were doubting them. Now HDTVTest is also backing up them up with thier own tests.

They tested this on Netflix and on X1 S it can run @4K with HDR under game mode.

No update from LG yet. I don't mind paying OLED prices but input LAG is sadly too much for the little competitive games my friends play when they visit every week or so.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

For those looking for smaller TVs, Samsung KU6300 and KU7000 are 2 other options with low input lag that are available in a 40" model. These don't score as well in the reviews but might be worth look if the negatives are things that you canive with.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku6300

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7000

For the input lag make sure to check the 4k / HDR value unless you think that's not something you care about.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

Note that while the 6300 cab accept a HDR10 signal, it can't really display it very well as it doesn't have a wide color gamut and just has an 8 bit panel. The 7000 is a bit better, but still is limited by the 8 bit panel.

 

[New002]

Yeah, I was asking him about the OLED.

As for the article in the OP, it says:

I actually quoted that in my reply at first but then read it again and removed it after I maybe mistakenly arrived at the conclusion that even though it's in the input lag section they don't seem to be talking about input lag anymore. They seem to be saying that when watching 4K content in game mode HDR content is still as punchy as in other modes, and isn't negatively impacted by game mode. What do you think?

 

[DreadfulOmen]

See the mention of no clouding, and good screen uniformity, has the time come to where I can finally move away from my aging 2009 Panasonic plasma set? Even recent "high end" LED LCD Tv's have looked like dogshit in comparison.

Falds look good, much better than edge lit displays. Fald is probably the closest you can get to a plasma besides oled.

 

[MCD]

Falds look good, much better than edge lit displays. Fald is probably the closest you can get to a plasma besides oled.

For Samsung, their FALD is only one model (9800) and sadly not available everywhere. Plus the asking price is too much IMO.