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[TheBaldEmperor]

...Honestly, I believe Nintendo not going to PGW is a possible sign that the reveal is indeed happening in October, since it could mean they want to focus everyone's attention on something else, outside they're Holiday lineup.

I mean, it's strange they're not participating, considering they could've had booths with their upcoming titles with no problems at all. Given how, as Vena said, we would've heard if they were going to be there, but then cancelled their presence, I want to say it's actually an intentional absence.

This is pretty much where I'm at on this. We can start sweating if we reach the end of October and haven't heard anything from them in regards to NX.

 

[NateDrake]

...Honestly, I believe Nintendo not going to PGW is a possible sign that the reveal is indeed happening in October, since it could mean they want to focus everyone's attention on something else, outside they're Holiday lineup.

I mean, it's strange they're not participating, considering they could've had booths with their upcoming titles with no problems at all. Given how, as Vena said, we would've heard if they were going to be there, but then cancelled their presence, I want to say it's actually an intentional absence.

A logical stance. Well done.

 

[KingSnake]

...Honestly, I believe Nintendo not going to PGW is a possible sign that the reveal is indeed happening in October, since it could mean they want to focus everyone's attention on something else, outside they're Holiday lineup.

I mean, it's strange they're not participating, considering they could've had booths with their upcoming titles with no problems at all. Given how, as Vena said, we would've heard if they were going to be there, but then cancelled their presence, I want to say it's actually an intentional absence.

I think it's a possible sign of either NX not being revealed by then (last week of October) or Nintendo continuing the genius marketing from the recent years. I don't see any scenario in which NX would be revealed begin of October, let's say, and a company not wanting to have maximum coverage for its newly announced product everywhere possible. It makes no sense.

 

[Pinky]

...Honestly, I believe Nintendo not going to PGW is a possible sign that the reveal is indeed happening in October, since it could mean they want to focus everyone's attention on something else, outside they're Holiday lineup.

I mean, it's strange they're not participating, considering they could've had booths with their upcoming titles with no problems at all. Given how, as Vena said, we would've heard if they were going to be there, but then cancelled their presence, I want to say it's actually an intentional absence.

Seems reasonable to me. We'll see how things pan out.

 

[maxcriden]

I think Nintendo should really make some kind of official update statement about NX. I'm not talking about an actual reveal/announcement, but some sort of "update" on how things are going. A few lines of text to ease the painful wait. What's the point of having social media accounts if you're gonna ignore everyone there, and everyone there right now is desperately asking for NX info. Even a random tweet such as: "Hey, Nintendo Fans, we appreciate your entusiasm for NX and we want to let you know that we're going to talk about it pretty soon!" Or something like that! Because this radio silence doesn't make me feel confident with Nintendo right now.

I understand your eagerness to get news, but, if they do as you suggested, and then subsequently announce a reveal date, people will feel strung along with announcement of announcement of announcement. So it's better probably for them that they wait until they can announce the reveal date, which reasonably can be deduced to have been subject to change.

 

[Dark Cloud]

It's probably because Eurogamer is likely more protective of their reputation, so they'd only publish reports that they've verified with a large number of sources.

Whereas Emily Rogers probably only has a few sources giving her info and her reporting on those sources wouldn't damage the reputation of a big name website like Eurogamer if they turn out false.

Not that I'm doubting her, but I assume that's the major difference there. Eurogamer wants to be absolutely sure and confident in what they are reporting, Emily Rogers just wants to share what she's heard, where some of that could end up being false.

Yeah, I wasn't doubting her. I just thought it was interesting. I trust Emily and if she gets some things wrong big whoop. Not everybody gets everything 100%. Not all rumors stay the same. She can report something and Nintendo could change some stuff before NX launches. She seems genuine and waits to verify with someone else nowadays be it LPVG or Eurogamer. She said NX is ahead of schedule and I believe her.

 

[Skittzo0413]

...Honestly, I believe Nintendo not going to PGW is a possible sign that the reveal is indeed happening in October, since it could mean they want to focus everyone's attention on something else, outside they're Holiday lineup.

I mean, it's strange they're not participating, considering they could've had booths with their upcoming titles with no problems at all. Given how, as Vena said, we would've heard if they were going to be there, but then cancelled their presence, I want to say it's actually an intentional absence.

That's an excellent point. It could be that the reveal is currently planned to be shortly before PGW, where Nintendo couldn't really have a reveal event and then immediately afterwards have demo stations/software ready for another event days later.

Nice to see some reasons for optimism once in a while.

 

[Aostia]

...Honestly, I believe Nintendo not going to PGW is a possible sign that the reveal is indeed happening in October, since it could mean they want to focus everyone's attention on something else, outside they're Holiday lineup.

I mean, it's strange they're not participating, considering they could've had booths with their upcoming titles with no problems at all. Given how, as Vena said, we would've heard if they were going to be there, but then cancelled their presence, I want to say it's actually an intentional absence.

if they were to reveal NX in octiber, they would have showcased the console at the PGW that is happening at the end of october

 

[maxcriden]

if they were to reveal NX in octiber, they would have showcased the console at the PGW that is happening at the end of october

I think that aspect is what KingSnake is understandably alluding to above in re: potentially poor marketing. It's possible Nintendo will reveal NX in October and not offer playable kiosks at PGW, opting to wait for the holidays and not finding their presence is worth the money for video-based marketing alone.

That's an excellent point. It could be that the reveal is currently planned to be shortly before PGW, where Nintendo couldn't really have a reveal event and then immediately afterwards have demo stations/software ready for another event days later.

Nice to see some reasons for optimism once in a while.

This is a sunnier perspective on what was said above, haha. I think both interpretations are valid.

 

[NateDrake]

if they were to reveal NX in octiber, they would have showcased the console at the PGW that is happening at the end of october

Why? Just because they reveal the platform in October doesn't mean they are ready to place it in the hands of consumers a week or so after. They can easily reveal the NX in October and not provide hands-on opportunities for people until later in the year, or wait until early 2017 to build hype leading up to launch.

 

[cbrotherson]

if they were to reveal NX in octiber, they would have showcased the console at the PGW that is happening at the end of october

Not really. The amount of work and finances that are required for any event are massive for a platform holder. It's not a case of just shipping stock from one event to another - it's staff, logistics, security, props and everything else that comes with it. It may not look it, but laying out a stand at any event is painstaking work.

It really does stand to reason that if Nintendo isn't at PGW then all of that effort really is going elsewhere. Two events in the same few weeks simply isn't viable for most companies.

 

[KingSnake]

if they were to reveal NX in octiber, they would have showcased the console at the PGW that is happening at the end of october

Yeah, I don't really see this happening. Even if I feel that the marketing team of Nintendo is not one of the best, I just can't believe they won't go full power into NX after reveal. Who would risk even the minimum when the future of Nintendo's dedicated gaming devices kind of depends on it?

So it's very probable that the reveal it's not happening before last week of October if the PGW story is true.

 

[BY2K]

So we agree on end of October now?

 

[AfroDust]

I literally can't remember a more excruciating wait for anything in my life.

 

[maxcriden]

So we agree on end of October now?

We agree NX may be playable in your home as early as March 2016. It also may be revealed this month or any time before it releases.

Yeah, I don't really see this happening. Even if I feel that the marketing team of Nintendo is not one of the best, I just can't believe they won't go full power into NX after reveal. Who would risk even the minimum when the future of Nintendo's dedicated gaming devices kind of depends on it?

So it's very probable that the reveal it's not happening before last week of October if the PGW story is true.

I see your point, but FWIW, it might just mean they've internally determined PGW is too troublesome or expensive for them to show NX at.

 

[21XX]

Sorry to be unclear, I can see how it sounded like I meant for gamers' and the system's sake but I actually primarily meant for Sega and PlayTonic's sake I think they'd benefit immensely from their games being there at launch.

Ah ok. Well sure. I can see the benefit of having your game plastered all over a console launch.

 

[KingSnake]

Not really. The amount of work and finances that are required for any event are massive for a platform holder. It's not a case of just shipping stock from one event to another - it's staff, logistics, security, props and everything else that comes with it. It may not look it, but laying out a stand at any event is painstaking work.

It really does stand to reason that if Nintendo isn't at PGS then all of that effort really is going elsewhere. Two events in the same few weeks simply isn't viable for most companies.

I see your point, but FWIW, it might just mean they've internally determined PGW is too troublesome or expensive for them to show NX at.

Nintendo saves on marketing since almost 10 years already. They saved a lot in the past 4 years. They could afford to spend enough money for what can be their last chance to stay relevant as a gaming hardware producer.

 

[maxcriden]

Ah ok. Well sure. I can see the benefit of having your game plastered all over a console launch.

Yeah, that's all I'm thinking primarily. Plus, consumers will buy loads of whatever is available at launch. The presence of Sonic and of something B-K-esque could pull at those same nostalgic heartstrings Iwata-san referred to when discussing the resurgent popularity of Pokémon at one of the investor meetings. 90's nostalgia is a real thing.

Nintendo saves on marketing since almost 10 years already. They saved a lot in the past 4 years. They could afford to spend enough money for what can be their last chance to stay relevant as a gaming hardware producer.

I don't doubt that they can afford it, but if all they have/want to show a week or two after an NX reveal is the same video, that might not make it worthwhile to them.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Yeah, I don't really see this happening. Even if I feel that the marketing team of Nintendo is not one of the best, I just can't believe they won't go full power into NX after reveal. Who would risk even the minimum when the future of Nintendo's dedicated gaming devices kind of depends on it?

So it's very probable that the reveal it's not happening before last week of October if the PGW story is true.

Or the NX will not be in a playable state after the reveal. Maybe they only have a handful of working prototypes made, and all will be used at the reveal event, and they won't have any demo units available until November.

There are probably dozens of other reasons why they wouldn't showcase it at PGW even if it's revealed. Maybe it's only a partial reveal- name and concept, no games. Maybe they're having a surprise Spaceworld one day before PGW.

The point is we don't know, and Nintendo not showing the NX at PGW doesn't really indicate much of anything about when the reveal could be.

 

[maxcriden]

Well, at this point, how would you all ideally want Nintendo reveal NX?

 

[BY2K]

It's the first time since its creation that Nintendo skips PGW.

It's GOTTA mean SOMETHING.

 

[DMONKUMA]

Well, at this point, how would you all ideally want Nintendo reveal NX?

Honestly show a screen of developers that are making games for them and tease some of the projects they are making. Hardware I don't give shit for, go ham.

 

[sandkiller]

It's the first time since its creation that Nintendo keeps PGW.

It's GOTTA mean SOMETHING.

Keeps?
??

 

[GamerJM]

It's the first time since its creation that Nintendo keeps PGW.

It's GOTTA mean SOMETHING.

I mean it could really either mean two things,

1. They will have revealed the NX by that time but don't want to bring it to a trade show yet, they want to do the media rollout on their own terms.

2. They won't have revealed the NX yet and they don't have enough to show otherwise. Same reason they didn't do an E3 digital event this year even though they've always either done one or a stage show.

 

[Ushojax]

Honestly given what we've heard a delay doesn't seem likely. I feel like if there's a delay then we'd be getting more negative rumors. Given the way Nintendo's been acting it'll probably just have a ridiculously stupid late announcement, like in January. I know that seems hard to believe but it also wouldn't surprise me, given how quiet they've been.

I'm guessing that if it does release in March at that point the software lineup launch will be kind of barren, with basically everything not BotW or the pack-in game getting delayed until later. Maybe even an N64-esque launch where the thing launches with two games.

That would be a death blow to the console, they cannot have another barren launch period. If the games aren't ready then just delay the hardware until they are.

 

[KingSnake]

Or the NX will not be in a playable state after the reveal. Maybe they only have a handful of working prototypes made, and all will be used at the reveal event, and they won't have any demo units available until November.

There are probably dozens of other reasons why they wouldn't showcase it at PGW even if it's revealed. Maybe it's only a partial reveal- name and concept, no games. Maybe they're having a surprise Spaceworld one day before PGW.

The point is we don't know, and Nintendo not showing the NX at PGW doesn't really indicate much of anything about when the reveal could be.

Yeah, let's go with the Spaceworld theory, that was a really smart excuse for E3.

 

[BY2K]

Spaceworld theory?

 

[Skittzo0413]

Yeah, let's go with the Spaceworld theory, that was a really smart excuse for E3.

I'm not saying it's likely, just that there are any number of reasons why they could be skipping PGW even if they've had their reveal event.

 

[cbrotherson]

Nintendo saves on marketing since almost 10 years already. They saved a lot in the past 4 years. They could afford to spend enough money for what can be their last chance to stay relevant as a gaming hardware producer.

Understandable. It's unlikely the company sees it like that though. And money isn't the only factor. Practicality is a large one - and as we've seen, Nintendo isn't really the sort of company to worry too much about relevancy. It moves when it sees best fit.

 

[KingSnake]

Spaceworld theory?

That Nintendo is not showing NX at E3 because it bring Spaceworld back and it will have a whole expo just for NX so why waste resources on E3. It was a very popular theory back then around here.

Pretty much like this now "Nintendo surely has something magic prepared that explains everything". Magic like the latest Paper Mario - Splatoon ad for example.

 

[Sadist]

That Nintendo is not showing NX at E3 because it bring Spaceworld back and it will have a whole expo just for NX so why waste resources on E3. It was a very popular theory back then around here.

Pretty much like this now "Nintendo surely has something magic prepared that explains everything". Magic like the latest Paper Mario - Splatoon ad for example.

I think people were jokingly talking about Space World. I know I did.

 

[MuchoMalo]

They have only ever said March, though. We can't call it a delay if they've only said March 2017.

Hence the "internally" part.

 

[J@hranimo]

So we agree on end of October now?

Possibly. I'm still thinking after Paper Mario comes out, only because there's literally nothing else made by Nintendo that is exclusively for the Wii U coming.

 

[MuchoMalo]

That Nintendo is not showing NX at E3 because it bring Spaceworld back and it will have a whole expo just for NX so why waste resources on E3. It was a very popular theory back then around here.

Pretty much like this now "Nintendo surely has something magic prepared that explains everything". Magic like the latest Paper Mario - Splatoon ad for example.

That ad killed what little hope I had of Nintendo advertising NX properly.

So we agree on end of October now?

I stand by the last week of October being completely ruled out. I think that mid-October is what makes sense. It would also explain skipping PGW, as they wouldn't want to have two consecutive events like that. The comparisons to E3 don't work because they didn't completely skip E3; they just changed uip the format due to a lack of new stuff to announce really.

 

[KingSnake]

I think people were jokingly talking about Space World. I know I did.

Pick any Nintendo thread from before E3 and after they announced their plans. Like this one for example. Search for Space World or Spaceworld. Not that many jokes.

 

[Aostia]

Well, at this point, how would you all ideally want Nintendo reveal NX?

mid january direct with hw detail, first year software releases with Q-dates, price, date and bundles, plus premium my nintendo deals, with developers interviews for actual games and gameplay trailers. confirming a march ww release

 

[Sadist]

Pick any Nintendo thread from before E3 and after they announced their plans. Like this one for example. Search for Space World or Spaceworld. Not that many jokes.

Eh, I'm still calling jokes. thisisneogaf.gif

 

[wrowa]

The NX wouldn't have had its premiere to a wider audience at Paris Games Week, either way. PGW's importance is too limited for that (let's be honest, before Sony decided to move its press conference from gamescom to PGW last year, almost no one outside of France even knew that PGW is a thing that exists), especially taking into account that European events never had a high priority for Nintendo to begin with. Nintendo's presence at gamescom etc is usually limited to them showing their E3 demos to the public. It's not an avenue Nintendo uses to announce new things.

Taking that into account, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this decision wasn't related to NX at all. It might just be Nintendo France looking at their line up and coming to the conclusion that they really don't have anything particularly interesting to show this year (don't forget to take into account that NCL restricts public access to Zelda: BotW quite strictly as well).

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Does someone who's 4ft tall look really short next to someone 6ft tall? Because basically the same thing here. 101m, while impressive, looks small next to 154m.

It's not all hardware sales, though. Wii's 915 million shipped games doesn't look very small compared to DS's 948.

 

[georly]

That ad killed what little hope I had of Nintendo advertising NX properly.

That ad was probably created by someone under pressure to throw something out on social media ASAP and is not likely indicative of nintendo's actual marketing.

My guess is color splash's marketing budget is tiny as it is due to most of it being put onto whatever NX's will be - so they just tasked an NOA employee to make something real quick.

 

[maxcriden]

That ad killed what little hope I had of Nintendo advertising NX properly.

Don't let it. There's no reason to assume the person at Nintendo who made that Facebook post has any control over how NX will be marketed. Plus, from what we know from the EG leak Nintendo seems to have the right idea of how to market the system. Sure, it sounds like the obvious way to market it, but we know that arguably hasn't always been what they've chosen to do.

 

[Stairouais]

Well, at this point, how would you all ideally want Nintendo reveal NX?

They should totally remain silent and bring back that ad campain, but with Ps4 / XB1

"On christmas day, if your present looks like a 32 bits, don't laugh, it might be yours"

 

[Skittzo0413]

The NX wouldn't have had its premiere to a wider audience at Paris Games Week, either way. PGW's importance is too limited for that (let's be honest, before Sony decided to move its press conference from gamescom to PGW last year, almost no one outside of France even knew that PGW is a thing that exists), especially taking into account that European events never had a high priority for Nintendo to begin with. Nintendo's presence at gamescom etc is usually limited to them showing their E3 demos to the public. It's not an avenue Nintendo uses to announce new things.

Taking that into account, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this decision wasn't related to NX at all. It might just be Nintendo France looking at their line up and coming to the conclusion that they really don't have anything particularly interesting to show this year (don't forget to take into account that NCL restricts public access to Zelda: BotW quite strictly as well).

They do still have 3DS games coming, and someone above said that they haven't missed PGW once since its inception.

Then again you're possibly right that they looked at their lineup and thought, maybe it would do more harm than good to remind people how little there is coming.

 

[Mpl90]

...I can't believe we're taking the Paper Mario - Splatoon online ad as a sign that Nintendo is not capable of marketing, thus NX advertising will suck. I'm not saying they're infallible, they have ups and downs... just that taking one element to make it the representation of EACH AND EVERY possibility of Nintendo in the marketing environment is...jumping to conclusions way too MuchoMalo-ishly.

I thought thinking Nintendo sucks at advertising stopped when they showed at the freaking Apple conference to show Super Mario Run.

 

[Wagram]

I'm curious about demand for the machine vs. their expectations. They have a lot of ground to cover if they plan to sell 10m annually, which honestly seems like a lot based on the dwindling Nintendo core fan-base.

 

[KingSnake]

I thought thinking Nintendo sucks at advertising stopped when they showed at the freaking Apple conference to show Super Mario Run.

I didn't know that the Apple conference was organised by Nintendo's marketing.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

That ad killed what little hope I had of Nintendo advertising NX properly.



.

I think it clearly shows there's discord in management and that this will cause the reveal of the NX to be pushed to early next year and the release sometime in 2018.

 

[CrisKre]

I believe october is the month, for sure, we will hear about NX.

Im also strangely impressed, surprised and annoyed at the fact that the could keep it all under such tight wraps. It will certainly make for a more exciting reveal, but the wait is excruciating. I really really hope they hit it out of the park and get people excited.

 

[Nanashrew]

...I can't believe we're taking the Paper Mario - Splatoon online ad as a sign that Nintendo is not capable of marketing, thus NX advertising will suck. I'm not saying they're infallible, they have ups and downs... just that taking one element to make it the representation of EACH AND EVERY possibility of Nintendo in the marketing environment is...jumping to conclusions way too MuchoMalo-ishly.

I thought thinking Nintendo sucks at advertising stopped when they showed at the freaking Apple conference to show Super Mario Run.

It's crazy. Especially if you look at their handheld side and their advertising constantly and consistently knock it out of the park.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I believe october is the month, for sure, we will hear about NX.

Im also strangely impressed, surprised and annoyed at the fact that the could keep it all under such tight wraps. It will certainly make for a more exciting reveal, but the wait is excruciating. I really really hope they hit it out of the park and get people excited.

I echo all of this.