Generically referring to PC-GAF as the master race can get you in trouble too though....
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Red Dead Redemption 2 (Fall 2017, PS4/XB1, Trailer 10/20 @ 11 AM EST) announced
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Generically referring to PC-GAF as the master race can get you in trouble too though....
Conkerkid11
Member
I'm playing Shadow Warrior 2 right now though.
Obliterator
Member
In regards to ethnic diversity there is clearly a Native American in the image and are we sure none of the other men are black? Because they could be imo
Driving is mixed.
They fucked most bikes (they feel so stiff now) except for super bikes, but race cars are pretty good.
I was a fan of GTAIV's handling though, but regardless, i think GTA games are still top in class when it come to driving, especially given the diversity in vehicles available, and they all control pretty good (still has the best Helis, for example, even with that turbulence bullshit).
On foot control are undoubtedly better than GTAIV, but still shit, and the problem is, the rest of the industry moved forward a bunch since 2008.
The "reason" is obviously they have ideas they want to explore through the cast of characters they're choosing to write. What I take issue with is this idea that factoring diversity into writing ought to be done because it's this moral good, or that it ought to be excluded because of historical accuracy of a fictional videogame. These aren't reasons, these are excuses for inclusion and exclusion. I've already put forward that including minorities (again), and women can at least offer some level of variety to explore new things in their storytelling from previous games rather than treading old ground. A qualitative argument is the way to have more inclusion in games rather than pretending like it's a moral responsibility.
TheFNEffecT
Member
Wouldn't mind a later PC date IFF they were to release RDR on PC to tide us over. Would love to re-prime myself before jumping into the wild west again.
If not, I hear great things about how it runs on X1 hardware.
If not, I hear great things about how it runs on X1 hardware.
mokalovesoulmate
Member
Awww Yeah! Day 1.
For PC users, don't worry. Get the console version or you guys could just wait, like the GTA V times. I am sure RDR2 will released on PC some time and PC version will getting some enhancements over console version.
For PC users, don't worry. Get the console version or you guys could just wait, like the GTA V times. I am sure RDR2 will released on PC some time and PC version will getting some enhancements over console version.
But Seven Samurai is made in Japan technically not making it diverse where it was made.
Sumio Mondo
Member
So is this the Magnificent Seven or something?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It seems you missed the sarcasm.
I mean, are you trying to argue that taking diversity into account is not a moral good? And that there isn't anything inherently wrong with reinforcing the status quo? Because there's plenty wrong with doing that and with presenting yet another example of whitewashed history.
letmetrythisname
Member
I genuinely wish I could be this smug.
LelouchZero
Member
Red Dead Redemption is one of my favourite games of all time, and my most favourite Rockstar game, I cannot convey how happy this makes me!
Everyone is. Lol. "OK buddy".
Incredibly hyped for this. Red Dead Redemption was an awesome game and a nice break from Rockstar's typical modern-day America parody stuff which has run its course for me.
I get why some people are pissed about there not being a PC version since the market's gotten bigger since the first one released, but the first never came to PC and Rockstar have a track record of bringing their games to PC a while after their console versions launch. Could be less chance if this has any story ties to the first game since that never got a PC release, or it could be the opposite and Rockstar could crank out a PC version of the first finally, maybe on this engine with a remaster for current gen consoles. Who can say?
As for the diversity discussion going on... Yeah. Not touching that one.
I get why some people are pissed about there not being a PC version since the market's gotten bigger since the first one released, but the first never came to PC and Rockstar have a track record of bringing their games to PC a while after their console versions launch. Could be less chance if this has any story ties to the first game since that never got a PC release, or it could be the opposite and Rockstar could crank out a PC version of the first finally, maybe on this engine with a remaster for current gen consoles. Who can say?
As for the diversity discussion going on... Yeah. Not touching that one.
It actually bothers me a bit in a game like Final Fantasy XV (Even though I am still going to play the hell out of it). But here? Not at all. A female character would of course be welcome, but I have zero issues with a band of male outlaw cowboys in a western themed game. There is not a thing in the world wrong with that and actually fits like a glove for the kind of game they are going for. Either that works for you or not.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Only just caught the announcement, it's seriously not coming to PC??
What is R*'s problem with PC???
What is R*'s problem with PC???
i agree with you 100%. i think my original post didn't quite get the point across that i was trying to make.
I was simply saying that regardless of historical accuracy or inaccuracy (so even if the wild west was actually much more diverse than it has been portrayed over and over again) i can ask a more diverse cast.
Because games are, in essence, games and not documentaries.
That actual history (as opposed to the west as portrayed by spaghetti westerns) actually supports the argument for a more diverse representation of characters is just a nice bonus
GlamFM
Banned
Most likely coming later just like GTA V for PC.
I imagine most will throwback "It's just a title." But the naming is a worrying factor. 'Redemption' was pretty much the summary of RDR 1's plot. I can't see how the Redemption part of the title is going to mean anything unless Rockstar are literally making another story revolving around redemption.
It feels like they've simply taken the popularity of Red Dead Redemption as a franchise and slapped a 2 on it. Makes me concerned what direction they're taking this one. If they truly had something original in the works, Rockstar being what they are, you'd think they'd have the balls to have a more original title.
It feels like they've simply taken the popularity of Red Dead Redemption as a franchise and slapped a 2 on it. Makes me concerned what direction they're taking this one. If they truly had something original in the works, Rockstar being what they are, you'd think they'd have the balls to have a more original title.
Megatron
Member
Yeah, I liked the first, but didnt think it was the masterpiece so many others did. It seemed like a reskinned gta. But that was made by rock star san diego. Is this one made by them? Does rock star san diego still exist? What the hell have they been doing since 2010?
Audioboxer
Member
Most likely. As I covered in some posts early on Rockstar seem to be about using males to target males. It's a diversity issue around females, more than blacks and ethnic diversity. GTA fairly early on had no issue with a main black protagonist.
The controls are still shite though.
All I can say is HOLY FUCK!!!! They even called it Red Dead Redemption 2.
This just eclipsed everything else as my most anticipated game (okay, except maybe Cyberpunk 2077).
Fall 2017 though? huh. I was not expecting that, especially with them mentioning how they were big fans of Bethesda's Fallout 4 announcement approach. It's almost certainly guaranteed that this game slips into at least March 2018 as well.
Still though. FUCK YES!
This just eclipsed everything else as my most anticipated game (okay, except maybe Cyberpunk 2077).
Fall 2017 though? huh. I was not expecting that, especially with them mentioning how they were big fans of Bethesda's Fallout 4 announcement approach. It's almost certainly guaranteed that this game slips into at least March 2018 as well.
Still though. FUCK YES!
Clint Beastwood
Banned
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
By the by, Rockstar knows exactly what they're doing with skipping the PC version for now. By doing this you'll get as many double dippers as possible, just as they did with GTA V. (Though with that they managed triple dippers from folks moving from one console generation to another and then to PC.)
I did. That's okay, because I'm sure there's people thinking that way.
Can't wait to see that next gen horse muscle when walking tech. Will look so good.
TheStruggler
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I wonder if the rumours were true that sony was supposed to announce the game at E3, but because of the shooting they held back on it
Discotheque
Banned
Imagine if it was scored by Nick Cave :O
Conkerkid11
Member
It isn't a priority to them because it sells the least copies and is the hardest platform to develop for.
Yeah, you get the same retread bullshit over and over which is why I think creators ought to have some variety in the stories they tell and the characters they write.
JustSomeone
Member
They can, but not releasing it on pc would be stupid
InfiniteCombo
Banned
LOL, I feel like this is one of those "thisisneogaf.gif" cases. Either way, thank you both for the answers. As for me... I am cautiously optimistic that this game will have satisfying mechanics.
As far as story goes, I do hope that this game has something as full of impact as Dutch's monologue, or when Marston "opens the barn doors"... You know, THE moment of the game.
letmetrythisname
Member
That would be too hype.
I wouldn't say shit. I mean there's a certain feel to GTA controls which I agree are not very natural. But comparing GTAIV to GTAV is like comparing something that is barely functional to something that is very functional but feels a bit too loose and somewhat awkward at times. I guess this is the "tank controls" of the open world genre. GTA Is never going to control like a smooth TPS, but they have made aiming and combat manageable and occasionally fun, which is a HUGE step up imo.
Or, they already explained the approach previously - http://www.pcgamer.com/rockstar-talk-4k-pc-performance-and-more/
CarbonFire
Member
2K/Rockstar like money. Releasing it later on PC makes them more money (from people double-dipping at full retail). They are one of the few (if maybe only) developers that can really still get away with this.
Conkerkid11
Member
We'll find out when the trailer releases, unless they never release that original trailer.
Rumor was a guy walks into a bar and shoots the place up in the trailer, right?
Really disappointing that there's no PC or even NX confirmation. PC would had been more likely ofcourse, NX just a dream. Might never get to play this then, though i'm willing to wait a year or two if they are releasing it on PC later. Liked the first Redemption alot, so would be in day one. Happy for the rest of you though!
Glad to notice that they seem to be including a Native American in the presumably main group of characters in the game. I also have some faith in Rockstar to include great female characters in the story/world, since Bonnie was top tier.
Glad to notice that they seem to be including a Native American in the presumably main group of characters in the game. I also have some faith in Rockstar to include great female characters in the story/world, since Bonnie was top tier.