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[Omnistalgic]

I have safely ignored them for a LONG time. I really don't know what they look for in games, but quality isn't something they seem to recognize consistently

Greg would rather get 100% in Watchdogs fetch quest than play something where you have to be patient and learn a control scheme.

Colin may end up liking it though, as he likes good storytelling and was able to look past even Mafia's bad gameplay because the story was good.

 

[Endo Punk]

The reviews have been great. Never doubted team ico for a second. Can't wait for my copy!

 

[Zombie James]

is this bait? because it sounds like bait.

I loved ICO and SotC but after reading the reviews I won't touch this game until it hits 20-30€. It's not about "vision" and more about bad gameplay elements imho.

Which elements are you reading about that are bad? Just curious.

 

[Exile20]

Nope. the divisiveness comes from how they interact with Trico. Some don't like that it becomes frustrating and not 1:1 translate to their commands, and a lot seem to understand that the commands the boy gives are suggestions and not a 1:1 direct input.

Whether that is true or not. From what Jim said, giving 'suggestions' that Trico just blatantly ignores just to keep you there for 30+ minutes figuring out a puzzle doesn't seem like a fun experience.

 

[Goldfishking]

Seeing people focus way too hard on scores is something I thought we would get past by 2016. Either way after reading a few reviews doesn't look like this game is for me.

 

[prwxv3]

Greg would rather get 100% in Watchdogs fetch quest than play something where you have to be patient and learn a control scheme.

Colin may end up liking it though, as he likes good storytelling and was able to look past even Mafia's bad gameplay because the story was good.

If he ends up likeing it that would be the most fitting end to 2016 lol

 

[PlayerOne]

They are so weird considering they are PS fans. They dislike Team ICO and FROM games, which are the absolute premier reasons to buy PS consoles along with Naughty Dog.

We can just ignore them.

I won't put too much stock on a singular person's taste in games unless they're Simon Parkin. I'd rather read impressions here in GAF than not buy a game because Greg Miller did not like it. That's the sad thing about fans. They won't give the game a chance because Greg did not like it.

 

[jacksepticeye]

The controls and camera will be the main thing that determines if you keep going or not. Some will look passed them or bear with them because they're so engrossed, for others it will be too much

 

[chromatic9]

This was expected both him and colin don't like ICO or SOTC which is fine.

Absolute philistines.

 

[privitsan02]

You should apply to ign today! Why figure out why people like a thing when you can judge the main character on looks.

That poster is from PopGAF, so I'm not surprised at the shallow commentary. Not the first time either, just better to put them on the ignore list.

 

[HStallion]

MGSV is average?

I thought it was a total missed opportunity. It looked great, ran great and started out strong but it took a nose dive hard. I'd probably rate it a solid 7/10. This isn't even getting into how unfinished the final segments feel either, I thought the gameplay itself had some issues especially the open world implementation.

 

[Risk Breaker]

THAT'S your defense?

I played 6 hours of that mess and gave up, the jank was too much and the lead character was terrible (also ugly). Nier got exactly the score it deserved.

Stick to AAA gaming and focus tested games mate.

 

[Vinc]

To be fair, I found SoTC wonderful to control back then, on PS3, and this year when I replayed it, so I think that's another like-or-dislike aspect of Ueda's games

Yeah I think so too. The controls feel like a very deliberate choice and I don't think you're at all meant to feel like you're in complete control of the character. I like that and hope to never see a trend where all games feel the same to control.

 

[Ishida]

Incredibly average with some of the worst game design for an open world game I've seen this generation. Final Fantasy XV having a fast travel system barely makes it slightly less bad. I'm also not the only one who believes this if you think I'm being insane.

Most overrated game this generation with that fat 93 on Metacritic, but back on topic, both The Last Guardian and Final Fantasy XV scoring well after 10 years worth of development is pretty insane. They aren't 90+ world beaters that people were expecting years ago, but they aren't the utter mess a lot of people seem to be pushing them to be.

Best wishes.

Okay, look...

Every person in GAF knows how much I dislike MGSV. That game is the biggest gaming disappointment in my entire life. There is not a single game, since I started gaming, that has disappointed me as much as MGSV. I dislike the plot, the characters, the music and the barren open world. I forced myself to finish it just because it was Metal Gear and I needed closure.

However, in no way I could objectively call that game "bad". Not even "mediocre". Even if I disliked it deeply, the game is deserving of the scores it got. It IS a great game. Not perfect, and has tons of flaws, but despite my personal opinion and tastes, there's no way I could rate it anything less than a 9/10.

 

[Dangansona]

To be fair, I found SoTC wonderful to control back then, on PS3, and this year when I replayed it, so I think that's another like-or-dislike aspect of Ueda's games

Totally agree as someone who didn't play it until the HD version.

 

[Elios83]

Here is the breakdown so far, from the OP.

27 - 9+ scores
17 - 8+ scores
8 - 7+ scores
3 - 6+ scores
2 - below 6 scores
3 - no scores (Essential, "It was worth the wait", Kotaku - very positive review)

That is why I do not get how people are disappointed or saying the game is a disappointment based on the reviews. Have you been reading the same reviews as I do?

Because many of the people complaining and acting disappointed are the same that in reality wanted this game to have a 65-75 metacritic. This is the reality of the internet unfortunately, people full of negativity and wishing things to fail, same thing happened in the FFXV thread. Since reception was objectively good for both FFXV and TLG now they'll cling to negative articles ignoring the rest that represents the bulk of the opinions.
It's nothing worth bothering.
Reviews speak for themselves, the game got 7 perfect scores, tons of 9s and high 8s, while lower scores are all due to some reviewers focusing on complaints of technical nature that are typical of Ueda's games, so people and fans of those games perfectly know what to expect.

 

[HStallion]

Maybe, but definitely doesn't sound like my cup of tea tbh. did they also plan sub 20fps? Bet they enjoyed that too eh?

No I don't think they did but if you're questioning the AI Ueda has been talking about it being like we've seen for years now. This is not new or unexpected. Whether people like it or not is up to them. Much the same with the controls. I LOVED the SotC controls had little issue with them to the point I was speed running Colossi and trying to game the physics and other elements.

 

[Spieler Eins]

seems to be the most common theme shared between the positive and negative reviews, that this is a game straight out of the mid-2000's released in 2016

ICO/SotC controls and poorly communicated puzzles were already shit back in the day compared to other games at that time.

 

[Tratorn]

From the sounds of things, most are overlooking poor technical performance, dodgy a.i (which many seem to think reflects a real animal so Is good) and other things and still giving it a 9+..

As it should be.
I shake my head about every reviewer who decreases the score by like 10 or even more % just because of things like that. A great game still is a great game, even if it has framedrops or a bad camera.
Issues like that should be pointed out in the text review and/or by a small decrease in the score, but nothing that drastic.

 

[Vertti]

Polarizing experience like Ico and Shadow of the Colossus. Don't find that a bad thing. Seems to be a great game if you can forgive the bad camera and controls. Some can and some can not. In Ico's case I couldn't for example.

But I rather see 10's and 4's than just 7's.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Here is the breakdown so far, from the OP.

27 - 9+ scores
17 - 8+ scores
8 - 7+ scores
3 - 6+ scores
2 - below 6 scores
3 - no scores (Essential, "It was worth the wait", Kotaku - very positive review)

That is why I do not get how people are disappointed or saying the game is a disappointment based on the reviews. Have you been reading the same reviews as I do?

so divisive /s

 

[Skii]

is this bait? because it sounds like bait.

I loved ICO and SotC but after reading the reviews I won't touch this game until it hits 20-30€. It's not about "vision" and more about bad gameplay elements imho.

I guarantee you these same reviewers would've given SOTC similar scores had it come out during this generation. Ueda's unique vision just isn't appreciated by the modern perspective on gaming.

 

[Vixdean]

Whoa, so this actually turned out to be good? Awesome.

 

[Z3M0G]

4/10's and 10/10's for the same game... oh my I must have been missing a hell of a thread...

 

[Omnistalgic]

As it should be.
I shake my head about every reviewer who decreases the score by like 10 or even more % just because of things like that. A great game still is a great game, even if it has framedrops or a bad camera.
Issues like that should be pointed out in the text review and/or by a small decrease in the score, but nothing that drastic.

yeah, I guess we both would be "soft" reviewers, I would never take away that drastically for technical issues. Seems insane to me, the feeling I get with the game is much more important.

 

[Phox]

Well the signs were there it looked out dated and rough. It was in the oven way too long with outdated tech.

 

[Exile20]

To be fair, I found SoTC wonderful to control back then, on PS3, and this year when I replayed it, so I think that's another like-or-dislike aspect of Ueda's games

But would you buy a sequel with those controls?

 

[Sorcerer Supreme]

ICO/SotC controls were already shit back in the day compared to other games at that time.

no they weren't

 

[Principate]

so divisive /s

TBF most AAA-ish games don't get 4's

 

[Jawbreaker]

Are we having spirited discussions yet?

 

[Zombie James]

Here is the breakdown so far, from the OP.

27 - 9+ scores
17 - 8+ scores
8 - 7+ scores
3 - 6+ scores
2 - below 6 scores
3 - no scores (Essential, "It was worth the wait", Kotaku - very positive review)

That is why I do not get how people are disappointed or saying the game is a disappointment based on the reviews. Have you been reading the same reviews as I do?

The 7-10 review scale is dead. Now it's 9-10 and The Last Guardian is on the bottom.

...

 

[privitsan02]

Okay, look...

Every person in GAF knows how much I dislike MGSV. That game is the biggest gaming disappointment in my entire life. There is not a single game, since I started gaming, that has disappointed me as much as MGSV. I dislike the plot, the characters, the music and the barren open world. I forced myself to finish it just because it was Metal Gear and I needed closure.

However, in no way I could objectively call that game "bad". Not even "mediocre". Even if I disliked it deeply, the game is deserving of the scores it got. It IS a great game. Not perfect, and has tons of flaws, but despite my personal opinion and tastes, there's no way I could rate it anything less than a 9/10.

I'm not saying its bad though, however I do think its very average and a 7 is about how much I'd rate it. It started off great with Ground Zeroes but nothing about Phantom Pain is what I'd consider it to be a Metal Gear Solid title or a great open world action game. There's just too many quirky and annoying things that hold it back from being an enjoyable experience for myself. Things like your base, the helicopter, waiting in real-time for your upgrades, FOBs, etc, its just too much that hold it back from what matters. It's functional and has many good elements but nothing about it screams 9+ for me. Thus average, not mediocre or bad.

Anyways, we're getting sidetracked. I respect people's opinion on what they like and why they do, but that response was directed as to how there are review scores that don't reflect the game or how being under 80 doesn't mean its hot trash. That came from someone entirely else.

Best wishes.

 

[MakeMeFeelAlive]

I am surprised. I thought the game would be getting low 7s and 6s across the board. Thst gave that many sites dance it positive reviews after all this development time surprised me. I wasn't expecting such good feedback.

 

[Unknown?]

is this bait? because it sounds like bait.

I loved ICO and SotC but after reading the reviews I won't touch this game until it hits 20-30€. It's not about "vision" and more about bad gameplay elements imho.

So you saw the vast amounts of 9s and decided it wasn't good enough? You loved the first two despite bad gameplay elements but won't touch this game? You realize if ICO and SOTC were rereleased today as stand alone games they wouldn't have such a high average? SOTC would be lucky to get an 80 let alone 91 like it has now and very likely would have a lower average than TLG.

 

[Clive]

Not going to make excuses for a game I haven't played but I am excited to give it a go. The general reception seems to be very positive.

 

[ymgve]

Argh, I just saw that its release date is December 7 in Europe, so it's still 29 hours away.

 

[Jawbreaker]

TBF most AAA-ish games don't get 4's

I mean, even Uncharted 4 — tied for the highest MC score this generation — got a 4 and a 5. Furthermore, if we're strictly going by MC, those two sites aren't even counted.

 

[Spieler Eins]

no they weren't

Yes they were. Simply getting on a horse was laughably clunky and somehow much worse than 1998's Ocarina of Time (among many other things).

 

[jonno394]

As it should be.
I shake my head about every reviewer who decreases the score by like 10 or even more % just because of things like that. A great game still is a great game, even if it has framedrops or a bad camera.
Issues like that should be pointed out in the text review and/or by a small decrease in the score, but nothing that drastic.

Agreed. So instead of 9 it should be an 8 taking in to account the tech mess

 

[JustSomeone]

If we're going to look at prior reviews by a website, at least narrow it down to the specific reviewer. For example, here's a list of the IGN reviewer's scores. Perhaps you'll get a better idea of what they enjoy in a game/dislike, and figure out how your tastes align.

But it's much more fun to get upset and dismiss someone else's opinion when it doesn't match your own than to try and understand why he thinks like he does

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I'm surprised about the oudated comments. Is TR Reboot an outdated game because it has plataforming and physic based puzzles (real bad puzzles, I must add).

What exactly makes TLG outdated. I feel the outdated comments comes from the fact that the games didn't changed it's vision fron 10 years ago. But that dosn't mean it's outdated...

 

[HStallion]

ICO/SotC controls and poorly communicated puzzles were already shit back in the day compared to other games at that time.

Excuse me but what?

 

[KOMANI]

I'm not saying its bad though, however I do think its very average and a 7 is about how much I'd rate it. It started off great with Ground Zeroes but nothing about Phantom Pain is what I'd consider it to be a Metal Gear Solid title or a great open world action game. There's just too many quirky and annoying things that hold it back from being an enjoyable experience for myself. Things like your base, the helicopter, waiting in real-time for your upgrades, FOBs, etc, its just too much that hold it back from what matters.

Anyways, we're getting sidetracked. I respect people's opinion on what they like and why they do, but that response was directed as to how there are review scores that don't reflect the game or how being under 80 doesn't mean its hot trash. That came from someone entirely else.

Best wishes.

What's wrong with FOBs? The base? You don't need to wait for the helicopter, just like most of GZ. Most of the upgrades you don't need.
I don't think
MGSV is a 9/10, but some of the things you've listed as holding that game back are silly.

 

[Yjynx]

Here is the breakdown so far, from the OP.

27 - 9+ scores
17 - 8+ scores
8 - 7+ scores
3 - 6+ scores
2 - below 6 scores
3 - no scores (Essential, "It was worth the wait", Kotaku - very positive review)

That is why I do not get how people are disappointed or saying the game is a disappointment based on the reviews. Have you been reading the same reviews as I do?

LOL literally praying for this game to get really bad review aren't they. The salt must be too much right now and they're foaming from their mouth,


Anyway awesome that the game turn out really great.

 

[LastMinuteHero]

Are we having spirited discussions yet?

I mean we're kinda doing it right or at least halfway there

 

[Dash Kappei]

Did the reviews have the 1.1 patch applied (or the one which supposedly gives a big performance increase)?
If it's ICO's levels I'll be ok but if it's more similar to PS2 SOTC's framerate then that would would render TLG basically unplayable for me like SOTC was before the PS3 remaster.
Fingers crossed!

 

[thekiddfran]

That guardian review: WOW!

 

[Sorcerer Supreme]

Yes they were. Simply getting on a horse was laughably clunky and somehow much worse than 1998's Ocarina of Time (among many other things).

you must be awful at video games if you struggled to get on Agro

 

[Risk Breaker]

I'm surprised about the oudated comments. Is TR Reboot an outdated game because it has plataforming and physic based puzzles (real bad puzzles, I must add).

What exactly makes TLG outdated. I feel the outdated comments comes from the fact that the games didn't changed it's vision fron 10 years ago. But that dosn't mean it's outdated...

But Relaxed Muscle, Tomb Raider has tutorials, set pieces, explosions and XP bars! Very next gen.

 

[HStallion]

Well the signs were there it looked out dated and rough. It was in the oven way too long with outdated tech.

The animations on Trico are far more impressive than most things I've seen in AAA games this generation.