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[Rhaknar]

its the opposite of accurate since it paints the series as something its not (especially when they change so much from game to game), but then again I feel like the Ys games are up there in most overhyped games ever on Gaf so dont mind me.

Hell the only one I feel was actually great is 7, which isnt even on Steam unfortunately

1 and 2 were...a product of its time I guess, but bumping into enemies to damage them isnt my idea of amazing and Origins was a 1 location borefest. Felghana seemed better but I didnt get much into it since Origin had left such a bad taste in my mouth, especially after 7 on the Vita (well, psp, but I played it on Vita).

Its like if someone said "omg the Tales series is amazing" and im like "no, there are some good games but there are some stinkers in that series", Ys seems to get a blank check on the entire series for some reason.

Spoiler

Man I hated Origins lol

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

Well, why did you dislike Origin? It's a pretty rock-solid action game.

 

[QisTopTier]

its the opposite of accurate since it paints the series as something its not (especially when they change so much from game to game), but then again I feel like the Ys games are up there in most overhyped games ever on Gaf so dont mind me.

Hell the only one I feel was actually great is 7, which isnt even on Steam unfortunately

1 and 2 were...a product of its time I guess, but bumping into enemies to damage them isnt my idea of amazing and Origins was a 1 location borefest. Felghana seemed better but I didnt get much into it since Origin had left such a bad taste in my mouth, especially after 7 on the Vita (well, psp, but I played it on Vita).

Its like if someone said "omg the Tales series is amazing" and im like "no, there are some good games but there are some stinkers in that series", Ys seems to get a blank check on the entire series for some reason.

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Man I hated Origins lol

it's even more true for 7, 7 on nightmare is crazy

Origin being a one location borefest isn't fair either as every other section is a completely new environment type with new obstacles relating to them

tower
aquatic
desert
poison
molten
mirrors
demonic

 

[John Kowalski]

I really doubt it's going to go much cheaper in the foreseeable future. Maybe -50% during next years winter sale or they bundle all of them once the 3rd releases for some extra %.
They don't really have much incentive to drop the price, since achievement stats show that nearly everyone who has completed FC bought SC already.

I haven't........

 

[Big_Al]

its the opposite of accurate since it paints the series as something its not (especially when they change so much from game to game), but then again I feel like the Ys games are up there in most overhyped games ever on Gaf so dont mind me.

Hell the only one I feel was actually great is 7, which isnt even on Steam unfortunately

1 and 2 were...a product of its time I guess, but bumping into enemies to damage them isnt my idea of amazing and Origins was a 1 location borefest. Felghana seemed better but I didnt get much into it since Origin had left such a bad taste in my mouth, especially after 7 on the Vita (well, psp, but I played it on Vita).

Its like if someone said "omg the Tales series is amazing" and im like "no, there are some good games but there are some stinkers in that series", Ys seems to get a blank check on the entire series for some reason.

Spoiler

Man I hated Origins lol

You should probably give Ys: Memories Of Celceta on Vita a go, that sounds like it would be more up your street since it's the same Ys party style as 7.

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You're wrong about everything else

 

[Blue-kun]

Just chiming in to say that yes, these are some of the best games ever released and especially if you like A-RPGs you owe it to yourself to get them.

I may or may not be biased (hint, look at the avatar), but Falcom really know how to nail gameplay in general, and while the series has changed a lot throughout these last three decades, Ys is always synonymous with a good time for me.

Plus, while my tastes do differ a bit from the usual fans, as Ys VIII and Seven are my favourites at this point in time, Felghana and Oath in particular are amazing experiences. I and II I know might be more hit or miss depending on people's enjoyment of the retro approach, but they're also amazingly well crafted games. And gorgeous to look at if you're into that!

Anyway, if you like videogame music, a challenge and A-RPGs, this is a no brainer -- get it! If you're still not convinced, listen to Palace of Destruction and then buy it! You're welcome!

 

[Glitter and Gold]

Its like if someone said "omg the Tales series is amazing" and im like "no, there are some good games but there are some stinkers in that series", Ys seems to get a blank check on the entire series for some reason.

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Man I hated Origins lol

They definitely don't lol

There's a pretty vocal group of people that are convinced Seven and Celceta ruined the series.

The audience for Falcom games is just ALOT smaller globally than the Tales Of series.

That said, I'm glad you enjoyed Seven. It's my favorite of the series as well and one of my favorite games I've ever played. But I also really enjoy the other games, with Origins being up there near Seven for me. but I do agree that the one location is a bummer, especially shared across 3 playthroughs.

 

[Rhaknar]

is Calceta scheduled / possible on PC? I mean considering 7 still isnt :/

And also I do admit my dislike of the image is my general pet peeve of how some stuff is pushed on gaf to the point of exaustion. Some peeps were saying lately in the steam thread how Dragons Dogma wasnt doing anything for them after everyone kept saying it was THE BEST GAME EVER OMG (not really but you know what I mean), and im reading and saying to myself "yep...thats what happens", and I LOVED DD, but yeah, I hate the overhype that happens with certain games / series.

Here's another one for you guys to hate me more...Trails in the Sky. Great rpg, super solid game... nowhere NEAR as good as the praise, or should I said push it gets on Gaf.

Spoiler

Bring it :3

 

[MulderYuffie]

Maybe Falcom stuff just isn't your thing? They IMO put out soem of the best games and most consistent in quality especially when you look at some of these bigger devs.

 

[QisTopTier]

is Calceta scheduled / possible on PC? I mean considering 7 still isnt :/

And also I do admit my dislike of the image is my general pet peeve of how some stuff is pushed on gaf to the point of exaustion. Some peeps were saying lately in the steam thread how Dragons Dogma wasnt doing anything for them after everyone kept saying it was THE BEST GAME EVER OMG (not really but you know what I mean), and im reading and saying to myself "yep...thats what happens", and I LOVED DD, but yeah, I hate the overhype that happens with certain games / series.

Here's another one for you guys to hate me more...Trails in the Sky. Great rpg, super solid game... nowhere NEAR as good as the praise, or should I said push it gets on Gaf.

Spoiler

Bring it :3

You're right the lunar games are better, but no they are that good

 

[Rhaknar]

Maybe Falcom stuff just isn't your thing? They IMO put out soem of the best games and most consistent in quality especially when you look at some of these bigger devs.

you saying "they arent my thing" when im telling you I think Trails is very good is precisely why I think they are overhyped lol

You're right the lunar games are better, but no they are that good

You are correct sir. Well, on Lunar at least.

 

[totowhoa]

Funny to see this bumped. I bought a few Ys games a year ago or so and just now sat down with Ys I this week. Just got to Darm tower and saved my game at the entrance an hour ago! Really enjoying the game despite how simple it is, so I'm excited to see how it improves over the course of the series.

I'll probably start Ys II next week, and then Origins once I finish that. I'll probably snag another Ya game or two over the xmas sale, or TitS.

 

[Wagram]

you saying "they arent my thing" when im telling you I think Trails is very good is precisely why I think they are overhyped lol

I'm the opposite. Love Ys and I find Trails to be a snooze session.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

you saying "they arent my thing" when im telling you I think Trails is very good is precisely why I think they are overhyped lol

Lol

I think people oversell because they really want other people to experience and support the games.

If you liked the games I'm not sure why you let it bother you that other people liked them more. Overhype always seems like such a weird thing to gauge.

 

[Link1110]

I just best Celceta. Other than the story touring into Devil Survivor 2 at the end and a golden missed opportunity

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having Adol's nickname now me Adol's the Red

I really enjoyed it. I dived right into Ys Seven after and I'm missing some of the improvements from Celceta, bit I like the character graphic better and I hear the story is great so I'm looking forward to playing more of it

 

[chaosblade]

Funny to see this bumped. I bought a few Ys games a year ago or so and just now sat down with Ys I this week. Just got to Darm tower and saved my game at the entrance an hour ago! Really enjoying the game despite how simple it is, so I'm excited to see how it improves over the course of the series.

I'll probably start Ys II next week, and then Origins once I finish that. I'll probably snag another Ya game or two over the xmas sale, or TitS.

If you are enjoying Ys I then you have a lot to look forward to. Ys II is a much better game in basically every regard (especially bosses, which are really weak in Ys I).

If you want to see how things improve make sure you play Ark of Napishtim before Origin and Oath in Felghana. Playing Napishtim after those will definitely feel like a step backwards. It feels like a rough draft/proof of concept in comparison.

And arguably Seven before Celceta if you play those, but I'd say those are pretty close in overall quality unlike I and II, or Napishtim and Oath/Origin. They are worth playing, but IMO you get the best of the series with what's available on PC (yes, I'm a Seven/Celceta hater).

 

[Glitter and Gold]

I just best Celceta. Other than the story touring into Devil Survivor 2 at the end and a golden missed opportunity

Spoiler

having Adol's nickname now me Adol's the Red

I really enjoyed it. I dived right into Ys Seven after and I'm missing some of the improvements from Celceta, bit I like the character graphic better and I hear the story is great so I'm looking forward to playing more of it

Celceta's biggest failing is that the best parts of its story will miss entirely if you haven't played any other Ys games.

If you've played most of the other entries though there's a lot to like there. I think Celceta references every other game in the series in some pretty cool ways.

 

[QisTopTier]

Celcetas biggest flaw is the horrible frame rate

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Ys 7 has the best Adol. Dude be lookin' rockin' in that due to Enami.

Also: Ys Origin is alright at worst, outstanding at best.

is Calceta scheduled / possible on PC? I mean considering 7 still isnt :/

And also I do admit my dislike of the image is my general pet peeve of how some stuff is pushed on gaf to the point of exaustion. Some peeps were saying lately in the steam thread how Dragons Dogma wasnt doing anything for them after everyone kept saying it was THE BEST GAME EVER OMG (not really but you know what I mean), and im reading and saying to myself "yep...thats what happens", and I LOVED DD, but yeah, I hate the overhype that happens with certain games / series.

Here's another one for you guys to hate me more...Trails in the Sky. Great rpg, super solid game... nowhere NEAR as good as the praise, or should I said push it gets on Gaf.

Spoiler

Bring it :3

Spoiler

No seriously, I wish more series shot for and landed what these are doing. Without Gamearts doing this stuff and Suikoden's nasty undeath, I'm afraid it's the only one.

 

[Blue-kun]

Celceta's biggest failing is that the best parts of its story will miss entirely if you haven't played any other Ys games.

If you've played most of the other entries though there's a lot to like there. I think Celceta references every other game in the series in some pretty cool ways.

Celceta's biggest flaw is that Falcom decided this track would only play in a place where you'll spend like 30 seconds if you're normally advancing through the plot.

Of course I grinded all of my skills in here later on just to listen to it for longer.

Seriously speaking though, it's a pretty cool game, but after playing Ys VIII it really feels like a 'beta-test' of everything they wanted to do wrt exploration. VIII kicks it up a few notches and is just such an ambitious title from that perspective, Falcom really outdid themselves there. Can't wait til it gets released here in the west.

 

[Link1110]

Celceta's biggest flaw is that Falcom decided this track would only play in a place where you'll spend like 30 seconds if you're normally advancing through the plot.

Of course I grinded all of my skills in here later on just to listen to it for longer.

Seriously speaking though, it's a pretty cool game, but after playing Ys VIII it really feels like a 'beta-test' of everything they wanted to do wrt exploration. VIII kicks it up a few notches and is just such an ambitious title from that perspective, Falcom really outdid themselves there. Can't wait til it gets released here in the west.

I keep hearing such good things about 8. I have the LE for my collection, bit I'm waiting for the ps4 version to actually play it.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

Yeah I can't wait for 8.

I mean even the users on Amazon JP were positive about it.

Celceta's biggest flaw is that Falcom decided this track would only play in a place where you'll spend like 30 seconds if you're normally advancing through the plot.

Of course I grinded all of my skills in here later on just to listen to it for longer.

Seriously speaking though, it's a pretty cool game, but after playing Ys VIII it really feels like a 'beta-test' of everything they wanted to do wrt exploration. VIII kicks it up a few notches and is just such an ambitious title from that perspective, Falcom really outdid themselves there. Can't wait til it gets released here in the west.

Of the modern games, Celceta is probably my least favorite.

That said I still enjoyed every minute of playing it.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Has Ys VII ever been on sale on PSN?

its the opposite of accurate since it paints the series as something its not (especially when they change so much from game to game),

But the image is clearly about Oath in Felghana. As such it is accurate. At the most you could accuse the OP of misusing the image for the whole series, but w/e.

Also, hating Ys Origin*... shame on you.

* not Origins! There is no plural!

 

[chaosblade]

I know it used to go on sale along with Oath and Chronicles but I don't know if it has been on sale recently.

 

[pretty done]

Celcetas biggest flaw is the horrible frame rate

The boss fights are terrible. As are the graphics and the characters.

JRPG party Ys will never match action game Ys. These new games are not for fans of the old ones, seems they're trying to appeal to that Tales fanbase. uke:

 

[Glitter and Gold]

The boss fights are terrible. As are the graphics and the characters.

JRPG party Ys will never match action game Ys. These new games are not for fans of the old ones, seems they're trying to appeal to that Tales fanbase. uke:

What did I tell you Rhaknar?

 

[pretty done]

What did I tell you Rhaknar?

Point proven

 

[jb1234]

Celcetas biggest flaw is the horrible frame rate

Celceta's biggest flaw is that the characters wouldn't shut the hell up (a failing it shares with 7). I don't play these games for the long-winded exposition and anime tropes.

 

[QisTopTier]

The boss fights are terrible. As are the graphics and the characters.

JRPG party Ys will never match action game Ys. These new games are not for fans of the old ones, seems they're trying to appeal to that Tales fanbase. uke:

Except that I like 7 the most out of the entire series atm. And you clearly have no idea what you are talking about by bringing up the tales series which the games play absolutely nothing like

As far as combat is concerned I feel just about each newer release surpasses the last

 

[Narroo]

its the opposite of accurate since it paints the series as something its not (especially when they change so much from game to game), but then again I feel like the Ys games are up there in most overhyped games ever on Gaf so dont mind me.

Hell the only one I feel was actually great is 7, which isnt even on Steam unfortunately

1 and 2 were...a product of its time I guess, but bumping into enemies to damage them isnt my idea of amazing and Origins was a 1 location borefest. Felghana seemed better but I didnt get much into it since Origin had left such a bad taste in my mouth, especially after 7 on the Vita (well, psp, but I played it on Vita).

Its like if someone said "omg the Tales series is amazing" and im like "no, there are some good games but there are some stinkers in that series", Ys seems to get a blank check on the entire series for some reason.

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Man I hated Origins lol

I have to agree here, I bought Ys I&II + Felghana based on recommendations.

I'll admit, even the crazy fans will warn people about Ys I...I don't think they stress enough how awful a game this is. It is the worst professionally developed, complete, published, game I have every played. It's like they tried to stretch a 2 hour demo into a 15 hour game. Ys II was almost okay, but had some bad design choices that hindered it.

Felghana though...people claimed it was great! I found it mediocre. It's a ARPG with bad controls, bad cameras, bad hit boxes, bad level design, bad writing, and bad focus on grinding. It was the complete opposite of the picture that's always in the OP of these threads!

I haven't been able to figure out why this series always get's hyped up on Neogaf. Fancom just seems to be really popular on these forums for no obvious reason.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Felghana though...people claimed it was great! I found it mediocre. It's a ARPG with bad controls, bad cameras, bad hit boxes, bad level design, bad writing, and bad focus on grinding. It was the complete opposite of the picture that's always in the OP of these threads!

....

You must be from the Berenstein timeline.

 

[Ascheroth]

Felghana though...people claimed it was great! I found it mediocre. It's a ARPG with bad controls, bad cameras, bad hit boxes, bad level design, bad writing, and bad focus on grinding. It was the complete opposite of the picture that's always in the OP of these threads!

Wut.
No, seriously. Wut.

I know, opinions and different tastes and everything.
But your opinion is objectively wrong regardless.

 

[ChrisD]

....

You must be from the Berenstein timeline.

hey
hey
Berenstein is the proper timeline, and it's the timeline where Felghana is great
Berenstain is the screwy one

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Felghana though...people claimed it was great! I found it mediocre. It's a ARPG with bad controls, bad cameras, bad hit boxes, bad level design, bad writing, and bad focus on grinding. It was the complete opposite of the picture that's always in the OP of these threads!

I mean the writing definitely isn't the greatest in the world....but holy shit the rest of this post.

 

[longlivegaming]

Not going to lie, the music is 90% of the reason why I play the Ys series in the first place. Without the awesome soundtracks I probably would never have been compelled to finish any of the games.

 

[Brandon F]

So is there a handy chart or image that explains what remake is associated with which numbered entry in the franchise?

Is ys origin NOT 1/2? Is it like a zero entry? Is celcetta actually ys4 or 5 remade? Oath is ys3 right?

 

[Aeana]

If I found Ys 1 somewhat boring, should I check out 2 and onwards anyway?

This is like asking if you found FF1 boring, if you should check out the rest of the series.

I think people tend to forget that Ys 1 came out in 1987.

 

[chaosblade]

So is there a handy chart or image that explains what remake is associated with which numbered entry in the franchise?

Is ys origin NOT 1/2? Is it like a zero entry? Is celcetta actually ys4 or 5 remade? Oath is ys3 right?

Felghana is a reimagining of Wanders from Ys, which is Ys 3.

Celceta is the first version of Ys 4 developed by Falcom. Dawn of Ys and Mask of the Sun were both considered Ys 4 with the latter formerly being considered canon, and both were developed by other companies.

That's currently it as far as renamed remakes/reimaginings go, everything else is a unique game. We will probably see an Ys 5 remake before too long.

Felghana though...people claimed it was great! I found it mediocre. It's a ARPG with bad controls, bad cameras, bad hit boxes, bad level design, bad writing, and bad focus on grinding. It was the complete opposite of the picture that's always in the OP of these threads!

Writing is debatable I guess but how are any of the other things bad? Especially grinding, that's clearly objectively wrong. The games heavily scale experience, if it is taking a substantial amount of time to get a level (more than, say, a couple minutes) the problem isn't the game focusing on grinding, it's that you are attempting to grind your way around the intended difficulty and the game is designed to discourage that.

 

[preta]

So is there a handy chart or image that explains what remake is associated with which numbered entry in the franchise?

Is ys origin NOT 1/2? Is it like a zero entry? Is celcetta actually ys4 or 5 remade? Oath is ys3 right?

Origin is a distant prequel (by 700 years) to I/II. It plays nothing like them, however - it takes after Ys VI (Ark of Napishtim) and Oath in Felghana.

Celceta is a "reboot" of Ys IV - previously, there had been two games, Dawn of Ys and Mask of the Sun. They were developed concurrently for separate platforms by separate companies, and until Celceta's release, MotS was considered the canon one. Celceta is the only one of the three actually developed in-house at Falcom, and its story takes after MotS more than DoY.

Oath in Felghana is a remake of Ys III, although it plays nothing like the original game, being 3D instead of sidescrolling 2D.

There is no Ys V remake yet, but hints in the recent Ys VIII seem to suggest it will most likely be the next Ys game.

 

[jb1234]

I mean the writing definitely isn't the greatest in the world....but holy shit the rest of this post.

It could be worse. At least he didn't bash the music. But Felghana is one of my favorite games so I'm just shaking my head.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

hey
hey
Berenstein is the proper timeline, and it's the timeline where Felghana is great
Berenstain is the screwy one

Sorry, I value reality. Berenstain is the correct spelling, dinosaurs had feathers, and Felghana is great.

 

[RurouniZel]

Good point should've made the thread title read Ys and TITS are on sale XO
Have some TITS goodness

 

[Glitter and Gold]

Point proven

My avatar is from Xanadu Next though. A dark fantasy Falcom action game that came out 10 days before Oath in Felghana...

 

[amishpriest99]

Celceta's biggest failing is that the best parts of its story will miss entirely if you haven't played any other Ys games.

If you've played most of the other entries though there's a lot to like there. I think Celceta references every other game in the series in some pretty cool ways.

Celceta is the only Ys game I've completed thus far, but in spite of that I still enjoyed it quite a bit. Perhaps a replay will be in order once I've gotten through a few more in the series.

 

[Blueingreen]

I've only played OiF, whose difficulty at points reached straight up ridiculousness. The final boss felt like straight up trolling. To me, it's definitely harder than SMT or Souls.

Souls I can handle SMT is just bullshit

Well, 'Normal' in Ys is comparable to 'Hard' in other games, especially during bosses.
They are without a doubt challenging and no walk in the park.
They have an Easy-mode though, but I can't say how easy that one really is as I haven't tried it yet.

The fun about Ys (and Falcom games in general) is that it ranges from impossible to "I looked at it and it died" in the span of 2 or 3 levels.

so...grinding ?

As a diehard fan of Souls games, they (and Bloodborne) are straight up amateur hour compared to the hardest difficulties of Ys games.

Erm sorry gent's the OP has tempted me to play these games but the difficulty is quite concerning, the only JRPG's I've gone balls deep in has been the Square Soft titles, some Level 5, Souls (if they're classed as JRPG's), and Shining Force and few others back in the day I found them to be manageable up until I gave the likes of SMT IV an attempt but if these games are supposed harder then what is at the very least the most accessible in the series ? sorry for being a noob.

 

[Dragoon En Regalia]

Level grinding isn't a problem for most Ys games. I can't think of any boss in Oath/Origin which enforces/encourages overleveling on Normal/Hard difficulties (Origin Nightmare's a different story; Napishtim has weapon upgrades which suddenly jump near the end). But yes, Ys games from this era are tough and bosses/enemies use their full arsenal of attacks only on higher difficulties. Easy mode is great if you know your limits and don't want to get frustrated.

JRPG party Ys will never match action game Ys. These new games are not for fans of the old ones, seems they're trying to appeal to that Tales fanbase. uke:

Please don't assume this much. I was surprised at how much I loved Ys Seven (haven't tried Celceta yet, but it's on the list) even though I prefer Oath/Origin. Given what I've heard about Ys VIII improving on both Celceta and Seven, I'm very open to the idea of a party-style Ys game matching or even outshining Oath/Origin. Falcom has to juggle the needs of new fans with plenty the old fans expect/have come to take for granted, and I don't think Seven abandons what makes modern Ys fun and flattering to skilled players.

 

[chaosblade]

so...grinding ?

Not really, if you don't avoid fighting enemies while traversing dungeons you should be right about at the intended level. And even if you do need to grind out a level it takes very little time, unless you are trying to overlevel yourself. The exp scaling kicks in both ways, if you are underleveled even by just a level or two you gain levels quickly. If you try to get overleveled to brute force a boss getting a level can take a little while.

 

[Antiwhippy]

All I want to say is FUCK DARK FACT.

Peace.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

so...grinding ?

No. You can play these games on Easy (there's an actual Easy mode, along with Normal, Hard, and Nightmare) if you want. Normal is decently challenging, and not grindy, though I admit I did grind for like, ONE level one time (took less than 5 min) against a particularly nasty boss. But as others have explained the XP scaling is very balanced, you can't easily overlevel, and if you are a bit behind somehow, you gain that extra level really quickly.

Also, Ys Celceta on Normal is actually too easy, I regretted choosing that (I thought it'd be too hard because of how challenging Felghana/Origin/Napishtim were but it's quite different).

 

[Claude Augario]

You level up so fast in Ys games that I don't know if you can even call it "grinding."