Not even in the same ballpark.
Outside of getting FIFA as exclusive not sure what they can do. Not sure what you mean by trying. Any ideas?
More varied exclusives, advertising, supporting the right language in every country, local deals for apps, not dividing them into tier 1 and 2 countries. You know, doing the things they do for the US and UK for any other country.
They're significantly behind Sony in MAUs too. 47 million Xbox Live vs 60+ million PSN.
Which is why its even more funny MS brings it up.
And kinda curious why Sony doesnt.
It is also 'validating' MAU as a measure if they bring it up while seemingly obfuscating their own strength, console sales.Probably because if you consider the install base, Sony "ought" to have twice as many PSN users as MS, but they only have about 30% more. So the number is in Xbox's favor, if you consider install base.
They had a chance with Xbox One.
They blew it.
"Bu-bu-but they weren't trying anyway!"
Really?
"Bu-bu-but they weren't trying anyway!"
Really?
I don't think they particularly cared about Europe. They focused on the US and probably got burned harder than they had expected.
And I don't disagree with that. I just don't think that will translate into anything meaningful in the sales outcome.Again, using examples of older consoles (PS3) doesn't really fit well here. All three console companies are pushing digital compatibility with the ability to use purchased content on different hardware. Tech designed for entertainment purposes (game consoles, tablets, streaming boxes, etc.) has moved in this direction, therefore causing many outside of just the hardcore gaming crowd to expect it.
Never said it was a system seller or that it was make or break. Simply saying that more people are going to expect it as more companies increase their push of digital libraries as well as release console models more frequently. Sony is setting up that expectation via those strategies and if the PS5 doesn't have backwards compatibility then there will definitely be people (and again, not just hardcore gamers) that will be upset about it.
And I don't disagree with that. I just don't think that will translate into anything meaningful in the sales outcome.
The growth of Xbox Live MAUs comes from Windows 10 devices and Minecraft on iOS/Android.Probably because if you consider the install base, Sony "ought" to have twice as many PSN users as MS, but they only have about 30% more. So the number is in Xbox's favor, if you consider install base. Need a new metric, MAU per user or something.
Not "instantly" doomed but eventually doomed? Or eventual hurt from it?I personally disagree. I don't think it will be a HUGE dent in sales but I think it will be noticeable if Sony (and MS) wants to continue on pushing iterative consoles and digital services.
People would cling on to the PS4/Pro longer if the PS5 doesn't have backwards compatibility -- especially if Sony's console brand exclusives will be on both the PS4 and PS5 in the PS5's first 2-3 years; I could see being the case due to the PS4's large user base.
Honestly, there's no positives for Sony to not make the PS5 backwards compatible though I again don't think they would be instantly doomed if the PS5 didn't have it.
Not "instantly" doomed but eventually doomed? Or eventual hurt from it?
Mm, we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree. I just think the overall brand of PS is far too potent WW (in some areas, PS is synonymous with the very idea of gaming) to be overcome (or for it to even register) by a lack of one feature. Again, I think BC is something that you can benefit from but I don't think it is something you hurt (in a noticeable way) from by not having it.
Either way, as I said, I think PS5 will have it anyway. So, yeah. I do wonder how the remaster situation will carry over to next gen though. I know devs/pubs like that extra piece of change but do they like it enough to skip on BC in order to keep doing it?
Will all this bc talk no one has given reason why or why not it would hurt Sony. It's cool feature to have. We buy consoles for games not for old games and movies. Its way overblown on this forum.
Highly doubt it and it doesn't really matter as console gaming is moving away from one "box" and is becoming more about number of users in an ecosystem.
ThisIt's possible, unlikely, but possible.
Sony would have to fuck up even worse than the PS3 and MS would have to bring out something that casuals also want.
BC talk again??
Do people seriously think that had Xbone launched with BC it would have outsold the PS4? Wed still be in the same situation BC or not.
Only in this forum is BC a gamechanger.
Hindsight is 20/20, but in 2013 the games that people were hyped about were Destiny, Division, how the new NBA 2K looks, etc. and not Mass Effect 1 or 2 on BC. Yes, the new-gen games weren't as good but people bought the boxes to play those.
More varied exclusives, advertising, supporting the right language in every country, local deals for apps, not dividing them into tier 1 and 2 countries. You know, doing the things they do for the US and UK for any other country.
Sure they will. It's Sony. People worship them as if the company can see them as anything other than just a number. "Uncharted 5 guys? TLoU 3? Look at these graphics guys. It's the Naughty Gods! AMIRIGHT AMIRIGHT?!?!? I mean no BC, no folders again, and we're not going to allow you to stream video files anymore either, but PS5. Greatness is still waiting!"
Delicious this is why come to Gaf 😂 😂 😂You're mistaken. The 360 outsold the PS3.
It was erroneously reported near the end of the generation that the PS3 had outsold the 360, but this was not correct.
It's always funny to me when people go "ah but the Xbox only sells the best in America," as if that matters.
America is a bigger market than the rest of the world combined. The 360 selling better in the US and UK alone is why it outsold the PS3.
Microsoft should win PS4 pro vs Xbox Scorpio vs Nintendo switch.
Microsoft should win PS4 pro vs Xbox Scorpio vs Nintendo switch.
Vs PS4 pro, sure. Against switch? No chance.
Didn't they obliterate the competition in software sales with 360? I know hardware was a different story, but I can't remember it even being close with software. Been a few years since I looked.
Microsoft should win PS4 pro vs Xbox Scorpio vs Nintendo switch.
Microsoft should win PS4 pro vs Xbox Scorpio vs Nintendo switch.
Yeah. I mean MS has enough money to buy themselves to the top if they really wanted to. Drop 30 billion on buying studios and maybe whole publishers and they could rapidly swing the market. Or subsidize $200 per console.
But that would be insane and never pay for itself so no. As it stands their corporate culture, while much improved over the reign of Ratface Mattrick still doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence for a future leadership position in the market.
Not numbers aren't that important to them, also to me they won in last gen, they sold more than PS3 in America and just a few milions less worldwide, but to me they won cause they managed to get competitive and to sell as much a as PS3 after PS2 sold 150 milion consoles, putting them in a great situation and brand recognition
At 600$? Good luck.
What are this weekend Euro Millions numbers?
No, but don't you think it would have caused more gamers to stick with Xbox?
Not true at all. Some people who didn't have a current gen console before 2015 bought Xbox Ones in part due to BC.
Of course that was the case in 2013. As you said earlier, PS4/Xbox One didn't have backwards compatibility then. It's basically 2017 now. Both Sony and MS are pushing digital features and iterative consoles. Both are causing more people to expect compatibility in the future.
Again, tell me what more people would want? The ability to have a visually better version of a game they bought a few months back for free when they buy a new console, or paying for TWO versions of the same game when they buy a new console due to that console not having backwards compatibility? You mentioned NBA 2K. Wouldn't it be much better if a person that bought "NBA 2K20" when it launched was able to get the PS5 version for free due to compatibility instead of having to pay for another $60 version?
Using what people expected in 2012/2013 is faulty. There's been a rapid increase in digital features and downloading, and I'm sure many people didn't expect iterative consoles as well as many remasters back then. Going back to square one would be really silly in this current era of technology for entertainment.