Again, you've been a real help.
Thank you so much.
I'll keep you posted on how I get on.
Good luck!
Again, you've been a real help.
Thank you so much.
I'll keep you posted on how I get on.
Again, you've been a real help.
Thank you so much.
I'll keep you posted on how I get on.
Are you sure you're not mistaking frame rate / frame pacing issues with something being wrong with the TV? Cuz you mentioned that games with perfect 30 fps do not show the issue.
Or do they?
Are you sure you're not mistaking frame rate / frame pacing issues with something being wrong with the TV? Cuz you mentioned that games with perfect 30 fps do not show the issue.
Or do they?
If you compare the videos from his and my panels of the judder tests on the native YouTube app, you'll see there's a significant difference in judder.
I will watch both again from my computer to see if I can see it better. When you guys see judder in those test videos are you referring to the ghost / duplicate images following the fan blades or something like inconsistent stutter?
Now that is a good question. Im getting inconsistant stutter in TV programmes and then judder i.e stop start stop start stop start of each frame as you pan a game with 30fps or less. This of course is amplified with lower fps. 60 fps and you cant see it.
I take it we are suppose to see those duplicate fan blades? As in pixel time to refresh?
Do you guys have sharpness at game mode with PS4 Pro? I noticed it defaulted to 50.
Most recommend a sharpness of zero, which means no added sharpening. Some people think you can do a little without adding too much artifacting, but it's something you have to figure out for yourself.
Also worth mentioning that in PC mode, a sharpness of 50 is neutral.
Sorry for the ignorance but does PC mode including game mode? I noticed that all other modes had set sharpness to 0 by default except game mode.
I believe that PC mode occurs on inputs specifically named "PC"Sorry for the ignorance but does PC mode including game mode? I noticed that all other modes had set sharpness to 0 by default except game mode.
I believe that PC mode occurs on inputs specifically named "PC"
Yeah you are supposed to see the duplicate fan blades more due to the flashing backlight than the pixel response time. The higher the backlight setting, the less spread out the duplicate fan blades should be. Backlight of 20 will not have any strobing.
Do you have The Order on the ps4? That game has a very stable 30fps framerate and I was wondering if you could see juddering there too.Just tested what youve said above. Having the backlight set to 0 all the way up to 20 makes absolutely no difference in my case to the strobing effect on those judder tests. The strobing is exactly tge same no matter what.
As far as I'm backlight, different backlight settings make no visible difference too when it comes to motion quality. I think the only time backlight/brightness changes made a difference for me is if I'm doing strobing/bfi/lightboosting with my pc monitor (as tested too by the blurbusters guys)
Do you have The Order on the ps4? That game has a very stable 30fps framerate and I was wondering if you could see juddering there too.
I believe that PC mode occurs on inputs specifically named "PC"
I think I'm returning this set. 4 months in and I see a subtle faint smudge of a vertical line on the left side of the panel. Also when the picture is white, the left and right edges have a greenish-blueish tint and isn't fully white. Is this normal? And for the first time while gaming today, the screen flickered or something and showed me doubles of all players on the pitch, with funny rgb colors. I'm only 4 months in and this happens? What's going to happen years later then?
I believe the RGB colour seperation is a fault introduced in 1154 firmware. This is now fixed in 1155 I believe.
FYI im on 1154 and I get the same.
I see. That's the first time this has happened.
What about the other issues I'm having, do you have them as well?
I get it too in 1155 but very rarely, and only when in the middle of changing settings. It also happens only for a split second so it hasn't bothered me yet.I believe the RGB colour seperation is a fault introduced in 1154 firmware. This is now fixed in 1155 I believe.
FYI im on 1154 and I get the same.
Sorry, never used the Animation scene. I noticed though that these samsung sets have fewer options to tinker with, compared to the bravias.Georaldc, maybe you can help me out here and speak to this. As a w900 owner and I a w802a owner we both know that Sony has a scene select mode called "animation" for animated movies. I would use it all the time when watching Disney/Pixar films and to me it really made the picture sing.
I've noticed that my KS9000 has no such viewing mode. Any idea which of the viewing modes may be suited for animated films?
I think I'm returning this set. 4 months in and I see a subtle faint smudge of a vertical line on the left side of the panel. Also when the picture is white, the left and right edges have a greenish-blueish tint and isn't fully white. Is this normal? And for the first time while gaming today, the screen flickered or something and showed me doubles of all players on the pitch, with funny rgb colors. I'm only 4 months in and this happens? What's going to happen years later then?
I believe the RGB colour seperation is a fault introduced in 1154 firmware. This is now fixed in 1155 I believe.
FYI im on 1154 and I get the same.
I get it too in 1155 but very rarely, and only when in the middle of changing settings. It also happens only for a split second so it hasn't bothered me yet.
I decided to try the KS8000 again last week mostly because it was on sale for under $1000 but this time the 55" version with a AA02 panel instead of the 65" FA01. So far I have none of the issues that I have had with the 65" and I am pretty pleased so far.
I just called best buy. Made an appointment to have my ks8000 exchanged for a new one. I made the mistake of cleaning it with LCD cleaner and microfiber cloth and I noticed discoloration. I should have read up beforehand. I didn't tell them exactly what happened. Just going to say I noticed it and tried to wipe it out with microfiber and it wouldn't go away.
What is the correct way to clean this set?
I just called best buy. Made an appointment to have my ks8000 exchanged for a new one. I made the mistake of cleaning it with LCD cleaner and microfiber cloth and I noticed discoloration. I should have read up beforehand. I didn't tell them exactly what happened. Just going to say I noticed it and tried to wipe it out with microfiber and it wouldn't go away.
What is the correct way to clean this set?
What's your backlight set for SDR?
On mine I have to go to 13, as anything else is too dark.
I've got AA02 as well and SDR looks very good. However, HDR looks no different, even when watching Grand Tour through built in app.
I have other problems but those you listed I dont.
Are those issues permantly there or or they source dependant?
Wish I had seen this review before: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1468834358
TV is going back and I'll bite the bullet and get an LG OLED.
I've tried so hard to like this TV and no matter how hard I try, I simply can't look past its issues.
Note in review: suttering on all sources.
Exactly what I'm getting.
Just got my PS4 PRO set up about an hour ago..took a few tries to get into safe mode but finally did it..so I have the KS8000 and these are my settings once I put the HDMI 3 to ON
Resolution..3840x2180-60hz, Color Format..RGB, HDR on Your TV..2K/4K Supported..HDCP..2.2..is that OK just wanted to be sure..everything is set to automatic so I Really didnt have to do anything other than change the HDMI port for HDR to ON mode..one thing I notice is that under SOURCES the Playstation is greyed out when I turn OFF the system I guess since its not actually ON its not lighted up like my XBOX ONE S is since that is on instant on mode
Also right now my TV picture is on MOVIE MODE do I have to change anything or can I leave that alone even when Im playing a game on the PS4 PRO
Save from going into individual television settings for your Game Mode or getting it calibrated or something, you're probably better off than 90% of people who set up their TV.
Maybe change your Color Tone to Warm 1 or Warm 2, depending on what you like. It's subjective.
The only thing you'd ever need to change is your backlight to 20 when you play a game in HDR, because the TV currently doesn't automatically change settings for HDR games (it does for streaming videos, etc.) When you're done with an HDR game, change the backlight back to your original setting. Hopefully they update the firmware to add this feature.
PS4 being greyed out as a source when it's off is normal.
OK so let me understand what I have to do..when I am on the PS4 PRO I just need to change the backlight to 20 and thats it, no need to change it to game mode since I read about people who were playing with the KS8000 TV and the PS4 PRO that there were issues where the TV would go black or something so I dont want that to happen to me
OK so let me understand what I have to do..when I am on the PS4 PRO I just need to change the backlight to 20 and thats it, no need to change it to game mode since I read about people who were playing with the KS8000 TV and the PS4 PRO that there were issues where the TV would go black or something so I dont want that to happen to me
I just called best buy. Made an appointment to have my ks8000 exchanged for a new one. I made the mistake of cleaning it with LCD cleaner and microfiber cloth and I noticed discoloration. I should have read up beforehand. I didn't tell them exactly what happened. Just going to say I noticed it and tried to wipe it out with microfiber and it wouldn't go away.
What is the correct way to clean this set?
I know words don't mean much w/o being able to see it, but I think these are my final settings for 90% of content, games or movies:
Game Mode
Backlight 20
Brightness 35
Contrast 90
Sharpness 0
Color 65
Smart LED High
Dynamic Contrast High
Color Tone Standard
White Balance, 2 Point
R-Offset -2
G-Offset 0
B-Offset 3
R-Gain 0
G-Gain -8
B-Gain 10
Gamma 0
Color Space Auto
The white balancing took the ash green out of skin and bloom, put just the right amount of purple gradiation into the color spectrum between dark and light. Looks incredible for my tastes. Hope it maybe helps someone.
I just called best buy. Made an appointment to have my ks8000 exchanged for a new one. I made the mistake of cleaning it with LCD cleaner and microfiber cloth and I noticed discoloration. I should have read up beforehand. I didn't tell them exactly what happened. Just going to say I noticed it and tried to wipe it out with microfiber and it wouldn't go away.
What is the correct way to clean this set?
Everyone............I'm a complete tool!
Hang on..that's not exactly fair. I'm part tool!
Let me explain...
Ok so the main issue I've been complaining about is the juddering or "strobing" effect on games of below 30fps. Now you may class juddering or strobing as separate effects. Unbeknown to myself I didnt. In any case the ghosting of the image as you pan the camera is incredibly noticable with this TV. I never noticed this on my old set. Maybe because the image quality is so damn good on this set.
Anyways...before boxing my KS7000 up for exchange with a LG B6 I decided to visit my brother inlaw as he purchased the B6 a month ago.
This was a total revealation. Not only did this TV highlight the same ghosting effects as you pan the camera but the controller lag is too great for me in HDR. With SP you can get away with it but multiplayer HDR would have to be turned off.
The B6 is a fantastuc image but nowhere near worth the extra £1000 to get it.
TLDR - KS7000 has incredible image quality and the motion I was complaining about is present on all TVs!!!
I wish Devs would stick to a locked 30fps and not allow fps to drop below that.
My questions are gaf...
I get micro stutters and after copious amounts of reading online it is apparent that micro stuttering has been a burden with Samsung TVs for a few years.
Is it likely to get fixed in a firmware?
Secondly, I'm getting rare instanced of the RGB seperation. Again is this likely to get fixed via firmware or do have a duff TV?
Thirdly, when watching blu-ray movies, is it normal for judder or ghosting say on the edges of trees in the background to happen when camera pans?
Again I have never picked up on previous TVs because they have never looked this good before?
Thank you and I apologise for posting at least 20 times on an effect that happens with all TVs!!