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[Mikey Jr.]

I wonder how the next generation is going to go. You would figure all Sony has to do is not shit the bed, and they have the next gen locked down.

But who the fuck knows.

I think if Sony comes out with PS5 at $399, good power, and MOST IMPORTANTLY backwards compatibility with at least PS4, then they'll probably be #1 again.

Every generation is like a reset button for the consoles. Leaders always seem to shift wildly.

The interesting thing though is ecosystem and digital games. Previously, if you were switching to a different console, you could sell your physical games and move somewhere else. But I would guess digital makes up a huge portion of game ownership now. I wonder how easy it is for people to move to another console that has none of their purchases.

Hmmm, we'll see.

 

[Gestault]

There's no way in heck they're at 30 million.

 

[Toki767]

I was of the idea, that most of the money in the console market was to be made on software, services and add-ons, and not the console itself.

While that's true, Sony is probably making a profit with each unit sold at this point. I don't know that I can safely say Microsoft is doing the same.

 

[Omnistalgic]

I don't agree with you here. Yes, Microsoft screwed up, royally, launching the XB1 with forced Kinect, poorer specs and a higher price than the PS4, but being around 2 million behind the 360 (which was considered to be a huge success for Microsoft) isn't bad in my opinion. It's not great, but it's pretty good.

eh...If it has YOY growth in 2017 I'd say you're right, this is "pretty good" but 360 didn't do huge numbers in the beginning. It had a steady increase every year, a couple of huge years in the U.S, and then an almost second life with Kinect. I don't see any of that happening with X1 outside of Scorpio being a lightning rod. And yet, it is already behind 360. I don't see it following the same trajectory up at all.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

It looks bad to me because it is always on sale or has a promo with a free game and is lowered priced than the PS4. I honestly cannot remember an extended period of time where it wasn't on sale even after the slim released it still on promo.

This is the key thing right here, that console is constantly on sale or has aggressive prices/deals associated with it. You'd think they'd be flying off the shelves rather than down YoY globally and 30m units behind the competition. It's not the best look.

 

[Compbros]

Oh wow.


I presume these are correct numbers?

.

 

[OnionPowder]

Didn't PS3 even that caught up and surpassed it though? Quite impressive as it had less time on the pitch .

PS3 circa 2009-2013 was a pretty great time. Slim and the $299 helped boost sales up until the PS4 launched. It's 2 biggest years were 2011 and 2012.

I don't know if PS3 is ahead or not, but both the 360 and PS3 were last reported at 80 million.

Do people not understand the purpose of a bar graph or what.

but it shows just how double it is over the one below it

 

[Omnistalgic]

I dunno though, there were lots of people in the other thread trying to convince everyone that it's fact that Microsoft's goal isn't to sell anywhere but the US/UK. SO, if that's fact then 26 million is pretty good...

I don't really understand what you're saying here. But I'm talking i think what I replied to Tbiddy is my point. I don't see sales improving much from here on out and it's already behind X360.

 

[allan-bh]

PS4 is not at 55m, so this is clearly wrong.

 

[I-hate-u]

PS3 circa 2009-2013 was a pretty great time. Slim and the $299 helped boost sales up until the PS4 launched. It's 2 biggest years were 2011 and 2012.

I don't know if PS3 is ahead or not, but both the 360 and PS3 were last reported at 80 million.

PS3's perception started to change ever so slightly since the MGS4 launch in the summer of 2008.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Let's wait for someone like EA or Ubisoft to comment on the current gen install base. SuperData has the PS4 at 55M and we know it is actually 53.4M. SuperData could be just as off with XB1.

It is in the ballpark.

¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Gestault]

Dammit, why is "Gamingbolt" included in the title quotation marks?

 

[btrboyev]

There's no way in heck they're at 30 million.

Why would you say that? Other than pulling it out of your ass?

 

[cackhyena]

Why would you say that? Other than pulling it out of your ass?

This is neogaf, good sir!

 

[OnionPowder]

PS3's perception started to change ever so slightly since the MGS4 launch in the summer of 2008.

That was the first game that was a real eye opener for me as I couldn't afford the PS3 at the time. I was still in high school so I would walk over to my friends house and we'd play MGS4 on his dads PS3 while he was at work.

 

[SneakersSO]

Dammit, why is "Gamingbolt" included in the title quotation marks?

Cause it's my first thread and I wrote it up on mobile. Sorry.

 

[JaredLetoJoker]

wow. no wonder Sony doesn't comment on npd anymore. They are so far ahead they dont even need to. sheesh

 

[StereoVsn]

54 million PS4s is sold through to consumers.

Yes, what I am saying if 26 mil figure is shipped then PS4 is likely already over 30 mil ahead in shipped figures.

Edit: It's likely that PS4 is going to do even better this year so it will sit at 72-73 mil at the start of 2018. That's crazy. I don't think Scorpio will do much to change the picture.

 

[OldRoutes]

PS4 is not at 55m, so this is clearly wrong.

Huh, where do you get that from?

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I dunno though, there were lots of people in the other thread trying to convince everyone that it's fact that Microsoft's goal isn't to sell anywhere but the US/UK. SO, if that's fact then 26 million is pretty good...

This is basically not selling any where else. US/UK is probably about 20 million or more of those sales.

 

[allan-bh]

Huh, where do you get that from?

Direct from Sony.

 

[DocSeuss]

The 360 was only "beasting it" in the UK and US. Sales in the rest of the world weren't anything to shout about.

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.

Direct from Sony.

So... where is it?

 

[Fisty]

I wonder how the next generation is going to go. You would figure all Sony has to do is not shit the bed, and they have the next gen locked down.

But who the fuck knows.

I think if Sony comes out with PS5 at $399, good power, and MOST IMPORTANTLY backwards compatibility with at least PS4, then they'll probably be #1 again.

Every generation is like a reset button for the consoles. Leaders always seem to shift wildly.

The interesting thing though is ecosystem and digital games. Previously, if you were switching to a different console, you could sell your physical games and move somewhere else. But I would guess digital makes up a huge portion of game ownership now. I wonder how easy it is for people to move to another console that has none of their purchases.

Hmmm, we'll see.

Nintendo->Nintendo->Sony->Sony->Nintendo->Sony

Hasn't been too wild of a shift...

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.

So... MS beat Sony badly in US and UK last gen, and still ended up getting edged out by the PS3 at the end of the gen... because of what? Pretty sure ROTW does big numbers, "marketwise" and those count. Just because it's easier to funnel marketing money into US and UK doesn't mean the ROTW don't put up numbers

 

[hanspampel]

PS4 is not at 55m, so this is clearly wrong.

that is why they said

The Nintendo Switch enters the console market at a time when Sony is dominating with an install base of almost 55 million, and 26 million for Microsoft’s Xbox One.

 

[OldRoutes]

Direct from Sony.

Do you have a source? That'd be great... I'm just curious.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.



So... where is it?

ummm...what? Do you realize how big Europe is? What are you talking about the ROTW isn't anything to shout about?

For those looking for official PS4 numbers...There is a thread right here on GAF where you see PS4 numbers sold to consumers, I think Kaz updated numbers during CES. Search for it and highlight thread title only.

 

[Gestault]

Cause it's my first thread and I wrote it up on mobile. Sorry.

I know you can't change it, I was commiserating more than anything else.

 

[black070]

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.

The gap in sales between PS4 & XB1 isn't that big in the US though..

 

[JlNX]

Wait, Superdata? I thought that their consoles numbers were often made fun of by the NPD related guys as inaccurate guessing at best. Don't they usually focus on software.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.

The U.S. accounts for around one-third of PS4 sales. You could not be more wrong about the rest of the world being irrelevant. PS4 has more sales in the rest of the world than Xbox One has total.

 

[Loudninja]

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.



So... where is it?

This was months ago

Germany :

Lifetime sales:
[PS4] 3,250,000 (3.2m according to the article, but a bit difference from the graph)
[WIU] 750,000
[XB1] 710,000

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1265622

This was 2 years ago

France:
PS4 over 1 million
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=143858140

Over 2 years ago
Spain:

PS4 over 700k
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1065407

 

[hanspampel]

Do you have a source? That'd be great... I'm just curious.

http://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2017/170105.html

 

[Electret]

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.



So... where is it?

How many times are you going to spout this bullshit? PS4 has sold more outside of the US and UK combined than in it. If XB1 had done the same - guess what? It would be even with the PS4. Amazing how that works!

This isn't even close to the first time you've made this claim, and, as demonstrated by your repeated engagement in threads in which you've both made this claim and been corrected on it, this isn't a matter of ignorance. You're deliberately choosing to ignore reality.

It's a rather shameful look for someone claiming to be a journalist. Your institution is fundamentally about discerning and separating truth from fiction, but you'd apparently rather embrace the latter for lord knows what purpose.

 

[Cardon]

People here take Gamingbolt seriously?

 

[Wedzi]

Well that puts it right above the Gamecube and the Original Xbox. Now approaching Atari 2600, Sega Genesis and N64 numbers. Not bad considering console history but must be disappointing for Microsoft given how well the Xbox 360 did coming back from the PS2 days (surprised more people don't talk about that, to go from 24mil vs 150mil to 84ish neck and neck is fucking nuts) and their stupid aspirations of a billion consoles sold or whatever Mattrick said. Plus the fact that the PS4 just ate their lunch and looks like they're coming over for dinner as well.

 

[black070]

Link to PS4 selling 53.4 million for those asking:

http://www.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1330813

 

[HonMirin]

He has been far too skinny these past years.

That's probably why Sony has that success.

Fat Kaz = lazy, arrogant Sony
Skinny Kaz = streamlined, optimal running Sony

 

[Guevara]

That seems not so good. But I guess there's still time this gen, and Scorpio will help.

What is Xbox's end goal again?

 

[jeffram]

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.\

Wow, I didn't realize the head of global marketing for Xbox posted on GAF.

 

[Delusibeta]

SuperData I would put on a similar pedestal as SteamSpy: I wouldn't base any commercial decision on their data, but they're good enough for posting on forums.

Personally, my gut says that this 26 million Xbones figure sounds about right, but I could also see the true figure being a couple million either side of this estimate. Either way, it's clear that the PS4 is speeding into the sunset in comparison.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

This is neogaf, good sir!

and it was good he called out that poster on that. some people are still in denial.

 

[kyser73]

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.



So... where is it?

Not this bollocks again.

The EU taken as a whole market is comparably sized to the US (actually bigger by GDP in fact) and it was enough to draw the PS3 level with the 360 when the latter had double the market share in the US.

'Other markets don't make a dent in it.' Ok, keep living that MAGA fantasy.

 

[OldRoutes]

http://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2017/170105.html

Thanks!

 

[reKon]

How many times are you going to spout this bullshit? PS4 has sold more outside of the US and UK combined than in it. If XB1 had done the same - guess what? It would be even with the PS4. Amazing how that works!

This isn't even close to the first time you've made this claim, and, as demonstrated by your repeated engagement in threads in which you've both made this claim and been corrected on it, this isn't a matter of ignorance. You're deliberately choosing to ignore reality.

It's a rather shameful look for someone claiming to be a journalist. Your institution is fundamentally about discerning and separating truth from fiction, but you'd apparently rather embrace the latter for lord knows what purpose.

Lol, damn... going in! I skimmed through this post the first time, but damn this actually ended up being as stupid as I thought it was.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

That seems about right. The head start really helped the 360 and the self-inflicted wounds at the start of this gen really hurt the Xbone.

What is Xbox's end goal again?

To make money just like everyone else?

 

[nico1982]

Do people not understand the purpose of a bar graph or what.

Looks less dramatic that way

 

[Wedzi]

That seems not so good. But I guess there's still time this gen, and Scorpio will help.

What is Xbox's end goal again?

To get you to buy a desktop PC. We're going backward people! Won't be long till these babies make a comeback now!

 

[Jonnax]

Do people not understand the purpose of a bar graph or what.

Sorry, is this better?

 

[OnionPowder]

Okay, but the rest of the world isn't anything to shout about, marketwise. It's always weird to me when people bring this up. The US alone is the biggest market (not counting China, but we're talking console sales, and most of China's money is mobile/PC iirc) by a huge margin. The other markets combined barely make a dent in that.

"But it didn't do well in the rest of the world" is literally a meaningless statement.



So... where is it?

So if the rest of the world doesn't really matter, and the PS4 is beating the XB1 by about ~2-3 million in the US last I checked, then how is the PS4 over double the XB1.

 

[N.Domixis]

PS4 almost 30M ahead XBO.

Dat global market share, it's not US that they need to target it's the world.