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Quarantine Mafia |OT| The Contagion is spreading.

Sawneeks

Banned
I'm amused by the posts that the gambit "backfired".

Anyway, I'll be back later with the other posts, since none of you seem that interested in playing mafia right now.

I mean to be fair you run in here saying "Guys! I lied earlier to get reactions so we could find Scum! You wouldn't BELIEVE how some people reacted! So scummy!"

And then when we ask you to elaborate it's

"nah I'll tell you guys later lol bye"

:x

Why not just come out with it all instead of stringing us along?
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Not sure what to think of Kark. Either he's telling the truth and it gives us some information, or his gambit backfired. We only get to use the information if we can confirm his story...easiest way of doing that is lynching him, heh.
 

Karkador

Banned
I mean to be fair you run in here saying "Guys! I lied earlier to get reactions so we could find Scum! You wouldn't BELIEVE how some people reacted! So scummy!"

And then when we ask you to elaborate it's

"nah I'll tell you guys later lol bye"

:x

Why not just come out with it all instead of stringing us along?


It takes a fair amount of time to put this stuff together, between everything I've got going on IRL in a typical day. People dismissing me out of hand doesn't really motivate, either, but I will do my part to play the game.

So APOLOGIES if you feel strung along, but I'm trying to work with the full time given to us.
 

Karkador

Banned
You specifically ask for my presence and hear I am.

Why won't you tell me? :(

I made a list of people who had responded to my initial pivot, and you weren't on it. I wish you had, but I also needed to address The Gambit with enough time to spare before the day ends.
 

Verelios

Member
It takes a fair amount of time to put this stuff together, between everything I've got going on IRL in a typical day. People dismissing me out of hand doesn't really motivate, either, but I will do my part to play the game.

So APOLOGIES if you feel strung along, but I'm trying to work with the full time given to us.
Okay, we've got a full day left. I'd love if you wouldn't just unload everything an hour before day end but eh, what can I say? Hopefully you'll catch some time early
 
I made a list of people who had responded to my initial pivot, and you weren't on it. I wish you had, but I also needed to address The Gambit with enough time to spare before the day ends.

I'm the lynch-pin to your master plan? News to me.

Also, initial pivot? You got more in there??
 
I'm the lynch-pin to your master plan? News to me.

Also, initial pivot? You got more in there??

Pivot 2: "I'm the pharmaceutical sales rep! I'm neutral and I REALLY want Town to win!"

Pivot 3: "I'm actually the tracker!"

Pivot 4: "I'm actually scum!"

Pivot 5: "I'm just normal town, guys! pls don't kill me"
 

Fat4all

Banned
Pivot 2: "I'm the pharmaceutical sales rep! I'm neutral and I REALLY want Town to win!"

Wnvm4g.gif
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Hi Back I'm 11037.

10/10 dad joke

It takes a fair amount of time to put this stuff together, between everything I've got going on IRL in a typical day. People dismissing me out of hand doesn't really motivate, either, but I will do my part to play the game.

So APOLOGIES if you feel strung along, but I'm trying to work with the full time given to us.

Neither does having you pull an elaborate gambit that none of us can verify until we lynch you.

Like are you actually surprised some of us are a little frustrated here? We just spent, what, 12 pages on your 'false' claim and you expect us to all be 'good job kark'?
 
Karkador, I got your back. I get the gambits, they are fun and can be VERY telling a couple days down the line.

That being said

vote: sawneeks

I still think this is the right call
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Kark, I'm sorry for getting upset at you but you realize we can't take anything you say as true, right? You may have done this with the best intentions but until we know what side you're on we can't really use much of it. We would need to go through with your lynch before we can use any of the reactions and if you're Town that's a mislynch for possibly little gain.

I am still looking forward to your analysis and what you see on your end but we won't be able to use it until we verify your alignment.
 

Natiko

Banned
I'm more curious how much of a stretch his analysis will or won't be. Not because I'm doubting his ability but more that I don't recall anyone responding in a way that made it seem like they knew he wasn't Infected. I actually don't really recall many people outright saying he was lying about his claimed role, it was more that the details he provided clearly conflicted. I guess we shall see. Hopefully his gambit results in something useful.
 
Interested to see where Karkador goes from here.

Also,

My feelings for director is currently a toss up between either Natiko or Saw. No one else has really pushed to the forefront other than CCS and Kark and I am hesitant to nominate either of those two.

Vote: Sawneeks
 
Allow me to put forth a new candidate whose name is on no one's lips.

A man known for his bold, aggressive strategies and who isn't afraid to shout his opponents down speak his mind.

VOTE: Ourobolus
 

Sawneeks

Banned
I'm more curious how much of a stretch his analysis will or won't be. Not because I'm doubting his ability but more that I don't recall anyone responding in a way that made it seem like they knew he wasn't Infected. I actually don't really recall many people outright saying he was lying about his claimed role, it was more that the details he provided clearly conflicted. I guess we shall see. Hopefully his gambit results in something useful.

I'm actually in the middle of a re-read ( I'm doing a reads list, sue me ) and I have actually noticed a couple of different reactions. Some people outright believe he is Scum, others only think it smells funny after he begins to elaborate, and then there are those who call it a Gambit before anyone else does. I would recommend giving it a look if you have the time, there are something things to note but until we can confirm Kark they are just 'oh, that's kinda neat'.

Who wouldn't trust a face like this?

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*raises hand*
 

Natiko

Banned
I'm actually in the middle of a re-read ( I'm doing a reads list, sue me ) and I have actually noticed a couple of different reactions. Some people outright believe he is Scum, others only think it smells funny after he begins to elaborate, and then there are those who call it a Gambit before anyone else does. I would recommend giving it a look if you have the time, there are something things to note but until we can confirm Kark they are just 'oh, that's kinda neat'.
You are right that there's a few different reactions seen, but the closest person we have to showing immediate skepticism of the whole claim is Verelios. The hard thing about trying to parse it is deciding if someone is calling it a gambit because they truly doubt his claim, just doubt aspects of it, or are aware of his meta history. It makes it all very subjective. Another thing that's difficult for this (or a reads list for instance) is that based on the araxometer and the information we have seen so far I find it unlikely we have a full scum team to find. Depending on how the mechanics actually work my guess would be maybe one level 2 and one level 1 at most. We also don't know if a level 1 would be aware of their status or not. There's a lot of finer details that we just don't know yet that make it all very messy. I probably won't try and do a full reads list until D2.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Please, you've trusted me before

coughdictatorcough

Well yeah, I knew your alignment in that game. :p

So far all I've seen from you is #Ouro2017

You are right that there's a few different reactions seen, but the closest person we have to showing immediate skepticism of the whole claim is Verelios. The hard thing about trying to parse it is deciding if someone is calling it a gambit because they truly doubt his claim, just doubt aspects of it, or are aware of his meta history. It makes it all very subjective. Another thing that's difficult for this (or a reads list for instance) is that based on the araxometer and the information we have seen so far I find it unlikely we have a full scum team to find. Depending on how the mechanics actually work my guess would be maybe one level 2 and one level 1 at most. We also don't know if a level 1 would be aware of their status or not. There's a lot of finer details that we just don't know yet that make it all very messy. I probably won't try and do a full reads list until D2.

You also have how questions are asked, what questions are asked by who, and who just straight ignores the Kark situation. Acohrs actually ignores Kark and only starts trying to try to figure things out/asks questions when CCS claims and only focuses on that topic. You are right though that with the evidence we have so far it's still likely we might only have 1 Scum currently in play, making finding that person a lot harder. Or we could have more, we won't know until we get hard evidence one way or the other. Still, if the Infection mechanic is real then I think it's even more important to be aware of how people are different from Day Phase to Day Phase, that's why I'm making my reads list right now. It's mostly for me to go back and see how I viewed people this Day Phase so when the next begins I can note any differences. It's also a way to express my opinions on different people and what I've found/noticed.

I am trying to make my list not be too heavily dependent on reactions towards Kark until we know more about him but I figured it wouldn't hurt.
 

Karkador

Banned
If you want to know "who I think the killer is", I will give you a read list - a mafia staple that apparently everybody forgot about.


11037 - The first person to chime in after I said I wasn't Infected. Has flown under the radar in the game, without saying much compared to other players.

Despite that, a couple of curious posts:

Either way I'm voting for Kark's lynch Day 2. I'm just hesitant to throw away the Director role without knowing if there's something about it that's beneficial to town that we don't know yet.
Well, if there is I don't think we would find out until after we have elected someone.

Verelios asks whether there's something about the Director role that we don't know yet. 11037 agrees that we'd have to wait for the flip to find out...

...but that's a weird thing to say, because the entire Director Role PM card is clearly laid out for us in the initial Day post. I can also confirm that it matches my Ordinary Town role PM, in how many sections it has and the structure of it.

There shouldn't BE anything left to the imagination about the Director role, unless you're comparing it to a Role PM that is perhaps non-standard. Infected?

If we are to believe CSS' about being immune to the infection then is it possible that the director doesn't gain a immunity to the infection?

Possibly, there is no reference to any other ability in the Director's role so it's likely they are just as susceptible to infection as the rest of us.

Hm, in that case

VOTE: CSS

I'm going to believe CSS' role claim and I trust him to be the director. We won't have to worry about him becoming infected, which is better then voting for someone who potentially could get infected. He's also bulletproof, so he shouldn't be able to die at night either. CSS' role is best suited for the role of the Director.

Now, maybe realizing he goofed on the Director Role PM, he walks it back a bit. He drops a pretty unconditional vote of confidence on CCS's fairly hokey, unprovoked claim. It comes off like a nervous deflection, even getting the name wrong.


CCS - I look through their posts and half of them are, well, not good posts. Lots of kidding around and hyperactive mouthbreathing, not contributing much substance. Doesn't even seem clear on whether they want the Director position or don't want it. Of course, I'm not in a position to complain about obnoxious playstyles, but then he finally did something:

He dropped the unlikely roleclaim that he's both NK and Infection proof. To add to that, he posts this:

I AM A GOD!!!

But seriously, that is how I interpret my PM. I posted the actual description last page (I think it was last page) so if other people have a different idea of what it means let me know :)

The post he's referring to:

The description was:

You can self-heal from most injuries including death. You're also immune to Araxia. I wouldn't test my luck in the incinerator though...

That's how I read it.

Why won't you guys let me help you?

Now, as we probably all know, posting straight Role PM text is against the game rules, so we can either assume what he's claiming is not the actual role PM text, or give him the out that he simply broke a rule.


Fat4all - I think he has analyzed and shot down my claims with a seemingly appropriate level of and scrutiny, from a place of logic. He would also be a good candidate for Director, IMO. He passes my smell test for now. He also caught on to the fishy thing about Ourobolus. Anymore praise than that would throw him under the bus.

Kawl - Another player with very few posts, but they're trying to be the responsible grown up around here. I reserve a bit of suspicion, though, for the sole person in the Mafia Room that seems to not be panicking. For now, you pass. However, I will cite one post:

howdy y'all

would rather not get bogged down in the rabbit hole of trying to guess the mechanics when we have so little data to work off of. as we gain more info things should hopefully become clearer.

what I would like to ask is:

do you think a triple vote with the possibility of it going to scum, is a positive utility or negative utility?

Generally, I find it a bit suspicious when people tell me they don't want to talk about something. Your reluctance is why I decided to, let's say, creatively speculate what the game mechanics are, by roleplaying as Infected.


Swamped - Hmm. Seemed interested in the Director at first, but votes for Ouro for kinda jokey reasons. Then jumps onto Natiko later without a word of explanation, until prodded by Sawneeks.

I think Natiko is doing a better job of explaining why he wants the power. Still, I think I should be on everyone's short list.

What is it with this weak campaigning for yourself? Especially while being fairly involved in the game otherwise. I think your posts are okay, otherwise...I guess?


acohrs - Appropriately right behind CCS in # of posts as of now, is his BFF-apparent acohrs. I understand that people make friends and all, but it really throws my mafia-dar off when you act so chummy in a game. Not to mention that it fills the thread with noise. Get off my lawn already.

Anyway:

I think there is some truth and a lot of falseness in Kark's statement. What is the truth? Well I'd say it's the infected are chosen randomly each night phase. Why lie about that? What is a lie though is that Kark is alone as infected. There is someone else behind Kark, maybe Ouro, and another 1or 2 I'd guess.

I thought this was a pretty bold thing to declare as truth. I was blindly speculating...but if I was wrong, I think an Infection-sided player would want to push it as "truth" to throw off the developing narrative.

franconp - By far the most pushback I've felt from my shenanigans is from franconp.

One theory is that scum would try to capitalize on the opportunity to shove suspicion onto me for Day 2. If that's true, then fran fits that theory much better than anyone. Almost too well, really, and that gives me doubt that he's scum. I can't say at this point, but I guess it's one to watch.


Ourobolus - The ballad of Ourobolus:

Seriously, I went along with Kark for like ten minutes. My vote isn't even on him.

Yeah? Let's follow his brief stint in Believing Karkador, and time it:

The clock starts: 6:47PM EST

Karkador's roleclaim post
Uhh...what? Are you not going against your win condition here?

This sounds entirely too plausible and it bothers me

Vote: Karkador

I'm going to regret this.

I'm ok with this plan.

A) If there is someone that can "cure" Karkador, then we have a townie. If for some reason Kark had a partner(s) then we can get their names. This is insane and as a moderator I would never allow it, but still.
B) Kark is lying. If he survives until D3 I would lynch him on principle.
C) Kark has no partners, but we now have a townie that is Director and can be protected.

fucking NX

Ok, adding on to that, yeah - I misnderstood his Director/healing claim.

I'm a little wary of this now. Kark has done ridiculous gambits before, and while I'm not sure I doubt his Infected claim (because I can see absolutely ZERO reason to do this as Town), this is interesting.

My vote is to make someone else Director and then heal Kark. Or the Director. One of those two.

If Kark is telling the truth we don't have a say in who scum "targets," so why not roll the dice.

I'm saying that if Kark is running some dumbass gambit (which he has done before), but is Town, can be useful as a player. Whether he IS Town or not is up for discussion.

And if you don't want to vote for me, that's ok.

I agree. I will leave it up to whatever Doctor (or whatever) we have if they want to heal Kark, though.

Kark - what do the Araxis levels do. I assume that as scum you would know how they work? Otherwise this game is pretty bastard.

and finally, 7:37PM EST:

UNVOTE

Screw it. Let's lynch Kark tomorrow. If he's town then I couldn't care less about his aptitude, and if he's scum, then sweet, one less scum.


Ourobolus, who had already declared that healing the Infection would probably be broken, is the first to buy my plan to heal my Infection for a solid 50 minutes before changing his mind about it.

I don't think Ouro is this gullible. My guess is that he saw an opportunity to make somebody else the suspect, and took the bait for almost an hour before coming to his senses.


Natiko - One of the posters who has tried to engage me directly and debate hard. If nothing else, they can debate, so I voted for them to have the Director. If nothing else, I hope that my gambit made the Director role a lot harder to 'win' (though I do believe it's a bit of a trap).

However, it IS pretty easy to debate with somebody recklessly running into contradictions. With that said, I still think Natiko has shown the most critical response yet in this game.

Zippedpinhead - In case anybody doesn't know, Zipped and I played in the Love Boat partners game together, so he had a pretty direct line into my thought process and how I try to work through mafia games. I think he gets me, and it's nice to have that. This is why he seems so agreeable.

HOWEVER, this is a totally different game, so I don't know what Zipped is yet. He has very few posts, but at least shared some similar suspicions that I held onto while being a villain. I'm inclined to like you, but I think that will be a blind spot.


exmachina64 - Seems to be opinionated, but doesn't actually say much in the few posts they've made. Very little confrontation throughout the game with other players, until very recently when I became a very easy target (and he is digging IN). Cruising under the radar.[/B]

Kalor - Very low# poster, but your posts do have substance. You seem to approach things with skepticism, which reads Town. This post sticks out, though:

I see no reason not to believe CCS. Claiming effectively renders their bulletproof nature useless but I can see why they thought that makes them a natural Director candidate.

I don't think I gave my thoughts on Kark. I don't think we should give him the director role. I think they have another reason for wanting the role but I have no idea what that is. Giving it to him means that we could remove the role tomorrow when we lynch him but CCS's claim gives us no reason to try that anymore. Better to give the role to an immune player than an infected player.

I've given my thoughts on CCS (I think it's fishy). It's one thing to believe the claim, but then a second layer of trust to say "I think they should get the Director role". Not sure why you believe it so readily. Despite that, I think you pass the smell test. Let's see how you progress.



Lone_Prodigy - Very few posts, but two stick out:

I believe Kark when he says he's Infected. It's a crazier gambit then, say, claiming ordinary town (no loss if he dies) and vowing to never vote as Director to lessen the uncertainty. Since we're all safe for today, a lot can happen between now and a D2 lynch.

Still, no one makes that sort of claim ("hey guys you know your win condition? THAT'S ME") without some sort of contingency/failsafe. It's like the villain who pleads with the hero to spare them just so they can reach for their hidden weapon (and justify the hero messily ending their life so that we don't get a boring trial/imprisonment and lazy sequel with the same cast).

I'm also skeptical of the infected win condition. So the meter has to hit 10. If that's 10 infected, we have 20 players and to expect half to be infected (notwithstanding NKs/lynches) is absurd. I think it's more feasible that a Level 2 infected counts as "2" on the scale.

I read the bolded and it doesn't sound like some sort of spin an Infected player would try to make.

However,

If Kark says he's not Infected, then it might be helpful to gauge everyone's initial reactions to his claim, as the real Infected would know he was lying.

Reading this, you seem aware what was expected of the gambit, so maybe you knew how to dodge it. Your own initial reaction seems to be less surprised and more about trying to maximize how foolish I look. If anybody in the game fit the profile of "scum trying to shield behind the fool", it would be you.


Faddy - Seems okay to me. Decent level of posting, a pretty non-assertive sense of throwing theories out there, as if wondering out loud. However, pushing for an immediate lynch Day 2...not that you're the only one, but it's a bad play.


Burbeting- Seems very hands-off this game, while coming around now and then to lay judgment. Neutral, in the sense of not really endorsing any one argument. Seems guarded and skeptical about everything. It seems like a good thing right now, but I've never played with Burb before and honestly don't know what to expect.


Sawneeks - Humors me, doesn't humor; wants Director, doesn't want Director, goes along with an idea, doesn't go along with an idea, suggests, unsuggests....Can't say this "all-over-the-place" approach is instilling confidence.


Verelios - I'm not gonna paste every post here, but I get a feeling of posturing scum from just about every post they've made. Stuff like this:

For the record, I'm not against voting for Natiko and will grudgingly accept a CCS director bid even though I don't believe his claim. Partly because I don't think he's infected, partly because even if he's neutral I'm going to want him dead by day 3.

Just reads to me like non-committal, vaguely interested in the outcome of anything. You know, just the general attitude of scum that's okay with anything, as long as it's not a threat to them. Just a feeling.

TheExodu5 - I'm really wondering about this:

Vote: Sawneeks

I believe she is absolutely the best choice for director. I will not give my reasons until we consider lynching the director.


melonrabbit - Came in late and her previous version never posted, so she sits outside of this whole event and the judgments I can make from it. Nevertheless, has come in with guns blazing about how foolish I am.
 

Karkador

Banned
tl;dr

11037, Verelios, CCS, Ourobolus, and Lone Prodigy are the strongest contenders for diseased horribles.

Good night.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
I thought it was pretty obvious I wasn't being sincere about the ten minutes thing. I never went to go back and look at the timestamps. That said, 50 minutes in two days isn't exactly a lifetime.

But ok, I'll admit I should have read the timestamps.
 
Lakeshore Pharmatech's Next Top Model Director:

Natiko (7)
Faddy #482
Swamped #504
Kawl_USC #564
Fat4all #700
Karkador #723
Sawneeks #734
franconp #735

Sawneeks (7)
acohrs #473
CCS #475
TheExodu5 #515
Kalor #773
Lone_Prodigy #775
Zippedpinhead #866
melonrabbit #870

CCS (2)
acohrs #431 #473
Ourobolus #583
11037 #634 #638
11037 #638

Burbeting (1)
Natiko #763

Swamped (1)
Burbeting #793

Ourobolus (1)
Swamped #440 #504
exmachina64 #871

Karkador (0): Ourobolus #255 #317

acohrs (0): CCS #105 #475, acohrs #128 #431

No active vote for Day 1: Verelios


Day 1 ends:
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Automated vote tally here
 
exmachina64 - Seems to be opinionated, but doesn't actually say much in the few posts they've made. Very little confrontation throughout the game with other players, until very recently when I became a very easy target (and he is digging IN). Cruising under the radar.[/B]

You're describing how I play every game.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
@Kark

CCS over Acohrs?? Why?

Also, Exo did respond to that here when I asked him about it.

Also also, I was expecting you to comment on those who believed you/didn't and what questions they asked. I appreciate the reads list but I'm wonder what your thoughts are on those immediate reactions to your claim. Acohrs ignores you, Burb asks why you should be trusted, Ouro immediately says he could believe you, Verelios immediately saying that claim smells like BS, 11037 asks you a question, Faddy/Fran/Burb/Fat all ask why they shouldn't just lynch you and not give you Director, etc.

Basically, what do you think of everyone's initial reactions to your claim?

Good night Kark. n_n
 

Verelios

Member
Can I be the one to address the giant elephant in the room? I don't see much of anything Kark posted that's actually relevant to his 'infected' gambit that wouldn't be added into a regular read list. Even disregarding Ouro's timestamp, was it a success? Failure? Or did you not expect to unveil it so soon?
 

Natiko

Banned
You also have how questions are asked, what questions are asked by who, and who just straight ignores the Kark situation. Acohrs actually ignores Kark and only starts trying to try to figure things out/asks questions when CCS claims and only focuses on that topic. You are right though that with the evidence we have so far it's still likely we might only have 1 Scum currently in play, making finding that person a lot harder. Or we could have more, we won't know until we get hard evidence one way or the other. Still, if the Infection mechanic is real then I think it's even more important to be aware of how people are different from Day Phase to Day Phase, that's why I'm making my reads list right now. It's mostly for me to go back and see how I viewed people this Day Phase so when the next begins I can note any differences. It's also a way to express my opinions on different people and what I've found/noticed.

I am trying to make my list not be too heavily dependent on reactions towards Kark until we know more about him but I figured it wouldn't hurt.
Don't get me wrong, I definitely think there's some good information out there to use as a base going forward. I actually think we will end up having a better base from D1 than I've had in my previous games. I will say if nothing else Kark has given us that. I also am still taking my notes as I usually do, I'm just not typing out a full reads list on it D1 unless people would like me to. I actually was all ready to try a new method of note taking for this game but the different format of D1 threw it all off :c

tl;dr

11037, Verelios, CCS, Ourobolus, and Lone Prodigy are the strongest contenders for diseased horribles.

Good night.
On the topic of reads though I will say L_P and Verelios were two I had made note of. Ouro's posts almost feel too obvious in how weird they are which makes me wonder more about what he's hoping to achieve, but I believe I've already said that bit before. Thanks for putting this together though Kark, even if I still have my concerns about you.
 

Fat4all

Banned
Can I be the one to address the giant elephant in the room? I don't see much of anything Kark posted that's actually relevant to his 'infected' gambit that wouldn't be added into a regular read list. Even disregarding Ouro's timestamp, was it a success? Failure? Or did you not expect to unveil it so soon?

It doesn't change my opinion that Kark should be lynched on day 2 to find out if he's told any sort of truth over the course of his "gambit" or his current story now.

The fervor in which he tried to lobby for the Directors position was interesting after claiming infected as well, and always kept me at arms length with their attempts at positioning for it.
 

Natiko

Banned
Can I be the one to address the giant elephant in the room? I don't see much of anything Kark posted that's actually relevant to his 'infected' gambit that wouldn't be added into a regular read list. Even disregarding Ouro's timestamp, was it a success? Failure? Or did you not expect to unveil it so soon?
I presume the idea is to force people into discussion which gives us more to work with. I'm of two minds about this, he clearly contradicted himself at points which would indicate he's lying. Now did it occur because he was lying about his entire claim or just certain aspects of it?

What concerns me most is that he specifically trips up when trying to talk about what aspects (infecting or killing) are or are not random as well as possible curing mechanics. If you were an Infected claiming I imagine hiding how the infection and night kills are handled would be worth playing fast and loose with the details about. You would also probably think it's worth it to try and bait a potential curing role into wasting a heal on you if the game mechanics follow the logical idea that once a scum knows his teammates he could never be allowed to revert to town.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Re-read done. \o/

Give me a second to get my thoughts down. In the meantime, questions.

I think it is interesting that Fran is one of the only two (at least in my initial reading) that has rejected director. He cites wanting to survive whereas Saw's reasoning is a bit more involved feeling ultimately she could at least trust herself.

Why is that interesting?

This post worries me. It's nothing specific, but the tone of it feels odd.

I'll be elaborating more in my reads list but I want to bring attention to the way this is structured. Burb did exactly the same thing in Pop Mafia as Scum where he usually sits in the middle of topics, doesn't post much, and posts a lot of 'nothing specific but' posts. He's showing textbook signs of Scum!Burb and I don't want him to fall under the radar.

Can I be the one to address the giant elephant in the room? I don't see much of anything Kark posted that's actually relevant to his 'infected' gambit that wouldn't be added into a regular read list. Even disregarding Ouro's timestamp, was it a success? Failure? Or did you not expect to unveil it so soon?

Hm, no, I agree. That's why I asked him those questions above.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely think there's some good information out there to use as a base going forward. I actually think we will end up having a better base from D1 than I've had in my previous games. I will say if nothing else Kark has given us that. I also am still taking my notes as I usually do, I'm just not typing out a full reads list on it D1 unless people would like me to. I actually was all ready to try a new method of note taking for this game but the different format of D1 threw it all off :c

My issue with Town gambits is they often lead to nothing else but a lot of Town confusion and not much else. It's usually a way Scum can hide even more by taking advantage of the general sense of uncertainty that's going on. I do hope this time is different but I wouldn't necessarily bank on this Day 1 being fruitful, although there is a lot to go through lol.

And tell me about it. I do like how this Day 1 is structured differently to change things up but I wanted to joke vote for LP. ;__;
 

CCS

Banned
@Kark

CCS over Acohrs?? Why?

Also, Exo did respond to that here when I asked him about it.

Also also, I was expecting you to comment on those who believed you/didn't and what questions they asked. I appreciate the reads list but I'm wonder what your thoughts are on those immediate reactions to your claim. Acohrs ignores you, Burb asks why you should be trusted, Ouro immediately says he could believe you, Verelios immediately saying that claim smells like BS, 11037 asks you a question, Faddy/Fran/Burb/Fat all ask why they shouldn't just lynch you and not give you Director, etc.

Basically, what do you think of everyone's initial reactions to your claim?

Good night Kark. n_n

When you get back Kark, please answer this. So far you haven't actually used your gambit to add anything other than confusion.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
So, as I told Natiko above, this reads list is mostly for me but I also figured I would share it to mention what I have found in my reread and in the case that I do die during the Night Phase I want my opinions down. It also helps me get a full view of the game to make sure I'm not missing anybody or forgetting about people and letting them coast by. Since this game also has a possible Infection mechanic I think it's also doubly important to keep track of how people act Day-to-Day since any significant change could be a sign that they are Scum.

Anyway, reads:

1. [m]Verelios - Null? Sliiiightly Scum on this but it’s really more gut than anything. Many of his posts just seem reserved and he only posts/comments every now and then.
2. [m] acohrs - You know, after playing Scum with Acohrs I thought I would be able to read him. Jokes on me, I can’t! So far to note he almost completely ignores the Kark situation and instead shitposts, he doesn’t actively start posing questions until CCS claims and then he questions his BFF CCS, still ignoring Kark. Lean Scum here, though not confident.
3. [m] CCS - BP and Infection proof? Claim out of nowhere with a noble intention? Frankly I feel like CCS is Town but it’s really only based on Meta reasons. He does have a convenient excuse if he never dies though, someone to watch but not a pressing concern.
4. [m] Natiko - My current Top Town. Level-headed in his opinions and stances and can thoroughly defend his position when pressed. I also really like his later conversations with Kark where he explains his difference of opinion between Kark’s and CCSs respective claims. It’s a solid train of thought and well reasoned.
5. [m] 11037 - Null. Like Verelios, sliiiiiight lean but this time in the Town direction. I like his questions asked towards Kark, it reads like he is attempting to find answers rather than just asking questions for the sake of it.
6. [m] Kalor - Not posting a whole lot but nothing sticks out as negative. Null with a slight lean towards Town. Also threw in his hat to the Director pool even though no one mentioned it.
7. [m] franconp - Town Lean. Has been open with bringing forth his ideas and also tends to go for the ‘crazier’ ideas or at least posts his opinions that are against the majority. Was one of the first people to actively say he did NOT want the Director role.
8. [m] Ourobolus - The feeling I get here is ‘I don’t care’. Lots of posts are just him asking to be elected Director and not much more, his contribution decreasing as time goes on. He also does try a lot very early on to stop the Mechanics discussion of Infection and how it may work. Votes for Kark to be Director shortly after he claims, then hops to CCS shortly after he claims. Pretty sure if someone else claims Ouro would move his vote there too. His whole mess with Kark is hard to read until I know what Kark’s alignment is.
9. [m] Lone_Prodigy - My beautiful co-mod. Unfortunately besides that there isn’t enough for me to make a good read which is kinda odd. Null? Slight Scum?
10. [m] Zippedpinhead - Hm. His first post is mentioning how he doesn’t want the Director position and then he mentions how he loves Kark’s gambit regardless of alignment. Null, not a lot here.
11. [m] Faddy - Slight Town lean. Nothing terribly damning and gives his thoughts every now and again, seems honest. Interesting to note he is the only one to mention ‘items’ as something that Level 1 Scum can’t use when he have no evidence towards there being any.
12. [m] Karkador - Whatever his alignment, this gambit was planned from the very start. The first post of the game is Kark setting up his claim so it wasn’t something he decided to do later on. Will lynch tomorrow to clear up today, although I’d hope if we had a Vig they would just clear it up tonight.
13. [f] Swamped - Lean Town. Was the first, and so far only, person to actually mention the ‘History’ aspect of our role PMs as part of why we should elect her. Considering nobody ever followed up with her I’m going to take a guess and say they probably are important so Swamped talking about it without any prompting leads me to leaning towards Town. She also is posing questions and giving her thoughts, nothing suspicious so far from our Dazzling Mafia Queen.
14. [m] Kawl_USC - Null with a very very slight Town Lean. I like his answer to the Negative or Positive Director Utility question and how he was the first to pose that and get people talking in that way. However, he also disappeared shortly after so it’s hard to fully get a good read on that.
15. [m] Burbeting - I keep flipping between Slight Scum and Null. Actually kinda basing this off of a few things. One, his opening post clearly misses the detail of what the Director does and I feel like Scum wouldn’t skip that sort of detail. Second, his questions and how he asks them. My last game I played with Burb on the Scum Team and noticed his major #scumtell is that he doesn’t take a hard stance and sits in the ‘middle’ of most arguments and never usually presses details. Out of the gate he presses me for being a slight scum read and then follows up and here and there with questions. Would keep on eye on him because he is still quiet and sort of ‘middle ground’ in a few positions but nothing very striking...which is the problem. Town Burb usually is striking and Scum Burb is just ‘there’.
16. [m] exmachina64 - Null, not enough posts to really make any sort of read.
17. [m] TheExodu5 - Some weird first few posts but nothing terribly striking. Null but a 2% town lean?
18. [m] Seath -> [f]melonrabbit - ….Null. A few posts but I’m not feeling anything one way or another. I don’t think I’d lynch her yet but I won’t say I Town read her at all.
19. [m] Fat4all - Scum Lean. Whenever I read science doggo’s ( doctor doggo’s?? ) early posts they read a lot to me like someone who is scared and afraid to stick their head out. His first post mentions only the Director role, no talk about the Araxia or the Araxometer at all despite them being highlighted. Why? Did he already know about those things prior and didn’t think much of it when it popped up? Also continues to talk about how the Director role is something Scum would really want and would not ‘actively try and get’ but doesn’t go much else with that thought. His more recent posts ‘feel’ better but I’m not convinced.
20. [f] Sawneeks - scummy asf

tl;dr

Town Leans:
Natiko
Fran
Faddy
Swamped

Scum Leans:
Burb
Acohrs
Verelios
Fat4All/LP

The Guy We Lynch:
Kark

Nulls/Unsures:
Everyone else

With that done, I'm going to bed. I have work in the morning and I drive home around Day End so I will try to check in every now and then but it depends on how busy work is. I'll be leaving my vote on Natiko as I believe he is a good choice for Director given his actions today and his willingness to work out his thoughts with others. If people are still set on electing me as Director I won't argue and if guidelines/rules for the Director want to be set up I'm not against that either. If anybody has any pressing questions I'll try to get to them tomorrow before Day End.

Good night everyone. n_n
 

CCS

Banned
Just to add: due to me doing a Jeb Bush and running a very low energy campaign, I'm withdrawing my push to be dictator.

I recommend Saw, although frankly I'm not too fussed since Natiko would be good to. Great candidates, great candidates. The best!
 

11037

Banned
I still think that CCS would be the best person for director. A director who can't get infected would save us all the headache of constantly asking if our director had in fact, got infected. I've seen others state that he makes rash decisions and while I've never personally played a game with him I would like to believe he wouldn't as the director. Besides, we as a town would talk about possible lynch candidates so I think he would realise that being reckless is a very good way to get lynched. But what if he is lying? Yeah he could be, we wouldn't know that until he died. But we also have that risk with every other possible candidate, we don't know anything about who is who and I would rather vote for someone who possibly could be telling the truth about being immune.

The vote is currently tied between Natiko and Sawneeks and with CCS withdrawing from the race I'll pop in later to vote for one of them, I just want to re-read through the thread again.
 
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