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Yoko Taro probably should have used his brain more amiright?
So Crossing Eden, before you derailed the thread did you actually watch the video with the question? Because i think it makes a big difference that he was asked "is there a reason for her looks or do you just like her that way" (not in these exact same words.)
He was just asked is it the former or the latter and he basically said it's the latter.
Dude lost that when he decided to do PTSD 2.0 (no offense to those whom have it or family with it) with the final boss of Drakengard 3.Yoko Taro probably should have used his brain more amiright?
Am sure his general response to "Platinum fans" will be
There goes the people saying there was an underlying reason 2B was so sexy
Japanese devs being more progressive would be a bigger step in the right direction than maintaining the status quo to the point of becoming niche.I don't think it's an issue And think it's a step in the right direction for Japanese art direction.
Just my opinion of course.
I genuinely don't think there will be a good reason, someone raised the point in an earlier thread unrelated to nier specifically that the standards are incredibly low for how much people are willing to accept poor justification for sexualization. Three prominent examples would beI still wouldn't be so sure about that, i mean he's clearly been trolling in all the other answers (like the one where he says the ending is crap), so i still think there's going to be at least a bit of context to the design choices, and he's just giving his troll answer.
Yoko Taro probably should have used his brain more amiright?
Yoko Taro probably should have used his brain more amiright?
I would like to point out that Akihiko Yoshida is the one who designed 2B and most of the characters in Nier: Automata. Unless you were there or have a source, there is no way of knowing what exactly Yoko Taro asked of him in terms of design.
Also keep in mind that AFAIK Yoko Taro is one of the few Japanese developers to speak in favor of LGBT rights and gay marriage in Japan.
There's like one voice of dissent and about a billion people saying things along the lines of "oh only 9 posts" and "every thread this happens I stg".
So who's really derailing the thread?
This is real
Not real. Or at least it's been deleted since.
Anyway, I can't wait for this game. Playing the demo floored me. Was barely on my radar and now I can't stop thinking about it.
TBH I get real sad when I see all the sex negativity. I know it's a generation difference but I hate seeing "You Millenials and your damn butts are bad!!". Not trying to derail the thread more. Not watching the video because I don't wanna be spoiled on much before the game comes out. I could read yokos interviews forever tho.
no one said that, there isnt sex negativity, only 1 person showed some concern and the I hate CrossingEden bandwagon came to town and jumped him(not sure please correct me if i'm wrong). I mean guys i disagree with CrossingEden quite a bit(like about 85%), but its blatant targeting and everyone harping on that one post and if people ignored it or didnt give attention to it, we wouldnt be talking about it.
Some areas in the game look bleh, not a yoko taro game without some issues . Still getting it day 1.
I still wouldn't be so sure about that, i mean he's clearly been trolling in all the other answers (like the one where he says the ending is crap), so i still think there's going to be at least a bit of context to the design choices, and he's just giving his troll answer.
Thread was derailed when 5+ people starting bitching at a opinion they didnt like. kinda like Trump with fake news. People could have ignored the comment but no they had to make the thread about the one comment.
You missed the crux of the issue. No one is saying you can't say that you like women now. Consider the context of that statement in the way it was made and similar comments made by devs before.
The only context that matters in this instance is who was making the comment, and how taking his words at face-value is pretty foolish given his pranksterism.
Its entirely plausible there is a narrative reason for the way the androids look in the game, and Yoko was being glibly deflecting as per usual. Not to say that there is, but treating Yoko Taro like your average developer is plainly daft.
Q: Can we expect a reason as to why 2B is so sexily designed?
Taro: I just love women!
I can't enjoy this game if the director loves women (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
I hope he goes full Kuroi hanaaaaaa with the endingYoko Taro is my favorite game developerBut don't fall for his lies.
He thinks that all his games are terrible and he often talks down on himself. The ending will probably be magnificent. Would not even mind if he went full on Drakengard 3 with the ending.
He thinks that all his games are terrible and he often talks down on himself. The ending will probably be magnificent. Would not even mind if he went full on Drakengard 3 with the ending.
Hey at least somebody acknowledges that this is a thing,no one said that, there isnt sex negativity, only 1 person showed some concern and the I hate CrossingEden bandwagon came to town and jumped him(not sure please correct me if i'm wrong). I mean guys i disagree with CrossingEden quite a bit(like about 85%), but its blatant targeting
Using his quirkiness to disguise/excuse a pretty common example of sexism would be pretty shameful. In the same way that people do the same for Kojima. And you know what's funny, so many posts ITT are taking that sentence at face value but are praising it, yet the issue is when dissent occurs. It's pretty transparent.The only context that matters in this instance is who was making the comment, and how taking his words at face-value is pretty foolish given his pranksterism.
Its entirely plausible there is a narrative reason for the way the androids look in the game, and Yoko was being glibly deflecting as per usual. Not to say that there is, but treating Yoko Taro like your average developer is plainly daft.
Everyone buy itto spite the "usual suspects"
Blatant yes, self deprecating in that context and the context of how much a large section of the gaming community loves dehumanization and objectification?.Nada.
Humans have a big issue with objectification,not only confined at sexuality but everything,we conceptualize as objects to have our own friends,our partners,pets,days, money,our feelings,our jobs,family,even ourselves.Most heterosexual men like attractive women, its' when that attraction starts to lead t objectification is when the issue arises.
It's the same implication as when the CD of FFXV said it's contradictory to want a non sexualized female party member. Subsequently, quotes like that imply that NOT having that mindset overtly means that you must not love the opposite gender enough.Which let's be honest, gets reiterated near constantly in equality threads what with the accusations that we all just must hate breasts.
Buying this game fo 'sho. I love women too, Taro.
Everyone buy itto spite the "usual suspects"
Indeed. People screaming "Outrage" are the ones that gets Outraged the most.
Objectifying people, and objectifying video game characters with a sexualized design are quite different things. I don't consider my partner, friends, or pet to be objects either. What the hell? I assume your point is that objectification exists in other games as well and thus this is ok. Yea none of that doesn't hold back criticism.Humans have a big issue with objectification,not only confined at sexuality but everything,we conceptualize as objects to have our own friends,our partners,pets,days, money,our feelings,family,even ourselves.
And this is so common and happens so frequently no wonder people contradict you because it is a pretty normal thing to do.everyone does it,everyone has done it at one point in their lives and will continue to do so until we all die. An example like this game is mostly harmless stuff unless you see the big picture and thats were some people get confused with you.
Not commenting much on the game itself but thats what your post reminded me of
It's the implication that sexualized is the default.So is the implication that women must be sexy, and if they aren't, they aren't women?
Wrote a paper quite late, so I'm a bit slow today
NieR Automata threads are going to be a mess lol. I can already see a Platinum fan making a thread complaining that the game wasn't what they wanted. Not to mention the arguments over the ending (I have no idea what the endings will be, but I know they'll be controversial).
(but any publicity is good publicity for NieR tbh, nobody talked about the first game)
- The transparent bars during cutscenes are transparent because they're supposed to tell you you are in an story moment with uncontrollable character, while still allowing you to enjoy the art in the background
- There might be a way to toggle them off in Nier 3
- Yoko Taro is by far the hardest person in the team to work with
NieR Automata threads are going to be a mess lol. I can already see a Platinum fan making a thread complaining that the game wasn't what they wanted. Not to mention the arguments over the ending (I have no idea what the endings will be, but I know they'll be controversial).
(but any publicity is good publicity for NieR tbh, nobody talked about the first game)
I love Taro's bluntness and honesty. Keep on being who you are!
I'm pretty excited for this one. Actually, I'd be hard-pressed to say which I'm more hyped for, this or Breath of the Wild. Both are open world games, but Zelda has the puzzles (not to mention the nostalgia of it all) whereas Nier Automata has the more in-depth combat and RPG mechanics. It's going to be a great month for games, that's for sure.
Now ship my Black Box Edition on-time, SE!
Buying this game fo 'sho. I love women too, Taro.
Everyone buy itto spite the "usual suspects"
It's the implication that sexualized is the default.
I routinely switch back and forth on whether or not Nier or BoTW is my most hyped title this year lol
If I had to pin it down, I consider BoTW to be the the hype of the known. I've played several Zelda games. I know what to expect. I know the gist of what the plot is and how it typically ends. I anticipate the continuation of the quality and polish I've come to expect from mainline Zelda entries.
Whereas Nier Automata is the hype of the unknown. Part of that unknown partially stems from me having yet to play any of Yoko Taro's games (I will play Nier soon though!), but nonetheless, I still don't know what to fully expect from this game. I mean that death mechanic was a perfect example; shit came out of nowhere. But you hear that his first game was a cult classic. That it had a masterpiece of an OST whose composer is returning for this game. That its one big flaw, the gameplay/combat, is being handled by the beloved Platinum. That the director whose known for his wit and dark sense of humor is also personally working on the game, and loves genre-bending and weird endings. It is a game that by all accounts should not exist, and yet it miraculously does. So it's like, I have absolutely no clue how this story is gonna go, and yet I can't help but have just as much confidence that this will be a very memorable game.
Joke's on you, I'm a filthy far-left commie SJW and I'm buying this game too.
I didn't say it was right or ok.Objectifying people, and objectifying video game characters with a sexualized design are quite different things. I don't consider my partner, friends, or pet to be objects either. What the hell? I assume your point is that objectification exists in other games as well and thus this is ok. Yea none of that doesn't hold back criticism.
It's the implication that sexualized is the default.
It's a problem when almost half of the thread is about it. I wasn't attacking Eden since he/she(?) has his opinions. It's the fact that the whole thread was derailed as a result. So yes I'll accept my post as hyperbole if it makes you feel that way thank you very much.we have how many other threads that are going well, hell to put it in terms of how hyperbole this is , we've only had 2 "meh" nier threads(if we count this one) with this logic... so far threads havent been in a " Oh well bye bye thread" state, ever. Christ this hyperbole is bad. If you dont focus on one poster and continue to post about the stuff in the topic guess what, you can drown out the stuff you dont want to hear...
But no people have to focus on a negative point to them and attack the person for it and make the thread about one person's disagreement about the game.
on a side note, I wonder if Yoko Taro was ever able to play Undertale, he expressed great interest in playing it but couldnt because a japanese translation wasnt available at that time.
Anything on the existence of the PC version?
I love the German accent from the guy. Which region is he from? I find it really easy to understand, and my German is really rusty after all this time without using it.
I will. Well, not the actual ending but that last boss fight was a complete garbage. I don't want anything like that in Nier.