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[En-ou]

I agree that the weapon durability feature is pretty annoying at the start of the game, but weapons become way more durable as you progress further. Furthermore, if you use your bow and the slate's powers, weapon durability shouldn't be an issue at all. Eventually you're able to expand your inventory and don't know what to do with allof the powerful weapons you have.

You make too much sense to be in here lol

 

[primasaurus]

honestly cannot think of any comparison, even the horizon shitfit didn't rival this tantrum that's currently unfolding

Sony fans during the Wii era, that was intense

 

[Hierophant]

Sony fans during the Wii era, that was intense

that was really before I started going on the Internet, this is one of the bigger tantrums I've seen on my short time on the Internet

 

[Parapraxis]

"A good reviewer is someone whose opinion you can respect even when you disagree with them."

This is actually a really good definition. Now on to decide if I can respect Jim's opinion here. He presents his arguments well. But the weapon durability is such a non-issue to me that I find it hard not to dismiss any criticsms about it as nitpicking.

Plenty of people take issue with it. What is nitpicking anyways? I find it's often a term people use when aspects that they don't find fault in are criticized. Claiming "nitpicking" just seems like defensive dismissal.

Your weapon is about to break? Tough luck. Throw it at an enemy for extra damage. You find a cool weapon but don't have room for it? Select the weakest weapon and throw it away (you don't even have to enter the menu to do this). Your weapon is about to break and you don't have any more weapons? Well come on, that never once happened to me...

Unless it's a shield or bow, in which case you have to inventory manage all the damn time. I wish we could throw bow/shields, it would be great.

 

[Amir0x]

that was really before I started going on the Internet...

jesus i am too old now

 

[SolicitorPirate]

I find WWII to be a "good" war, in regards to what the Allied Powers accomplished under the duress applied by the Axis. It bettered humanity and changed the face of democracy and war as we know it.

You can't however, gloss over the horrible, despicable atrocities committed by the Nazis that occurred during the interim. It was a time of utter horror and crimes against humanity that none of us can, or will fully ever comprehend.

Jim Sterling's argument is "good" - and I disagree entirely with it.

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...well, this was certainly a thing that was posted.

 

[Hierophant]

jesus i am too old now

hey if it's any consolation, I've tried to educate myself on the most major videogame manbaby shitfits

though that uncharted wall of shame disappeared before I could see it, like an artefact lost to time

 

[Mohonky]

Are Nintendo fanboys the most insecure of all gaming fanboys? I can't think of another.

Oh? You werent around when Square had the audacity to announce Final Fantasy for Xbox360? The mere thought that Xbox360 owners would be able to play the game was too much for many PS3 owners.

Irrespective, its clear a lot of people are taking Jims video at face value when its been pointed out his view on the durability system is flatly wrong. Its been explained why it exists.

Whether you like the durability system or not is inconsequential, its the statements he makes regarding its inclusion without looking at the context of why it exists that is baffling.

He could give the game a 10/10, he could give it a 1/10, it doesnt matter, its that his broad statements about its inclusion and complete failure to understand why it is done that way that demonstrates he is just flat out wrong regarding the things he says about it.

 

[Skittles]

I find WWII to be a "good" war, in regards to what the Allied Powers accomplished under the duress applied by the Axis. It bettered humanity and changed the face of democracy and war as we know it.

You can't however, gloss over the horrible, despicable atrocities committed by the Nazis that occurred during the interim. It was a time of utter horror and crimes against humanity that none of us can, or will fully ever comprehend.

Jim Sterling's argument is "good" - and I disagree entirely with it.

What...

 

[takriel]

Plenty of people take issue with it. What is nitpicking anyways? I find it's often a term people use when aspects that they don't find fault in are criticized. Claiming "nitpicking" just seems like defensive dismissal.

Unless it's a shield or bow, in which case you have to inventory manage all the damn time. I wish we could throw bow/shields, it would be great.

True. Also, now that I think about it, you have to enter the menu to select a new bow when your current one breaks.

It's certainly not perfect.

 

[Amir0x]

hey if it's any consolation, I've tried to educate myself on the most major videogame manbaby shitfits

though that uncharted wall of shame disappeared before I could see it, like an artefact lost to time

yeah dude I am just like...i was on the internet during the ff7 days. like.. i used to be on gamefan chatroom. Frequented daily radar. Review system with "Direct Hit" in it lol.

I'm just too old is all. doesn't seem like it in years, but sometimes when i read GAF and realize that ppl who started out in PS3 gen are coming of age now I think "damn"

 

[GuessMyUserName]

I really don't understand complaints about weapon durability along the lines of "I never get to use my good weapons!".... I'm constantly flooding in good weapons. You just need to learn to let go, more will come. Sure you're not going to use your top tier stuff on everybody... but that's a good thing. I don't wanna just spam the same weapon on everyone, a truly great weapon SHOULD be reserved for truly important fights. And if you really need to use them then suit yourself and go farm them from Hyrule Castle enemies -- if you want to cheese the game you should have to put in the work for it.

 

[Parapraxis]

True. Also, now that I think about it, you have to enter the menu to select a new bow when one breaks.

It's certainly not perfect.

Nah you can switch to a new bow and shield from the d-pad quick menu if it breaks, just hold the "draw bow" or shield button first.

It's really only an issue when you come across a new bow or shield you want and want to quickly swap out, you can't just drop and pick up. Like with a sword you can hold D and switch then toss, then pickup, not an option for a quick s/b upgrade.

<= Shield quick menu to equip new one if broke
=> Sword quick menu to equip new one if broke
ZR then => Bow quick menu to equip new one if broke

 

[Deckard Chapel]

Dude there's no conspiracy. Jim thinks the game has problematic weapon durability and stamina system, and he laid out in considerable detail why. Any review, no matter how expansively detailed, would have gained outrage from the Nintendo fanatics too invested in keeping a game at some arbitrary metacritic score. It's not about the critique, which he did a fine job laying out and nobody has done any job here disputing that. They simply came to different yet equally valid conclusions about the systems worth.

It really is a lot to do with this stupid symbolism over the game getting a 98 metacritic or him being an outlier. Like dude, that's the laziest way to critique something. For all your complaints, you have yet to delve into why his critique was wrong or some conspiracy to grab attention. You just didn't like the conclusion.

It's not the score he gave it that bothers me - it's everything that he did that led up to the review, as well as the aftermath via his video response of his own review. It was completely unprofessional from start to finish and that's pre, during & post review.

No one else in the games media industry acted and reacted the way that he did regarding BOTW. He was trolling before he even shared his review, he trolled during it and then gave a lower-than-average score merely to fan the flames - only to post a video less than 24 hours later that he obviously had at-the-ready just to fuel his own agenda.

Honestly, if someone else comes out of the woodwork with a 5/10 review - if I believed that their concerns were genuine and they handled it maturely and professionally without trolling or needless Nintendo and Zelda fan-bashing, then I would accept it as professional; but I really and truly think that Jim Sterling is only doing this to spite fans and because he doesn't like Nintendo.

 

[takriel]

Nah you can switch to a new bow and shield from the d-pad quick menu if it breaks, just hold the "draw bow" or shield button first.

It's really only an issue when you come across a new bow or shield you want and want to quickly swap out, you can't just drop and pick up. Like with a sword you can hold D and switch then toss, then pickup, not an option for a quick s/b upgrade.

I actually don't think you can switch to a new bow from the d-pad menu after your current one has broken. Link will just do an empty animation if you want to draw your bow. Or am I wrong here?

 

[Parapraxis]

I actually don't think you can switch the bow out from the d-pad menu after your current one has broken. Link will just do an empty animation if you want to draw your bow. Or am I wrong here?

Yup, see my edit you need to hold down the d pad right after he empty hands, or at the same time as you press ZR

 

[Deckard Chapel]

What...

Sony fans during the Wii era, that was intense

Lol!

 

[Kin5290]

Are Nintendo fanboys the most insecure of all gaming fanboys? I can't think of another.

They really are. Nintendo fanboys are the reason why the "8.8" meme was coined after all.

 

[Professor Beef]

It's not the score he gave it that bothers me - it's everything that he did that led up to the review, as well as the aftermath via his video response of his own review. It was completely unprofessional from start to finish and that's pre, during & post review.

No one else in the games media industry acted and reacted the way that he did regarding BOTW. He was trolling before he even shared his review, he trolled during it and then gave a lower-than-average score merely to fan the flames - only to post a video less than 24 hours later that he obviously had at-the-ready just to fuel his own agenda.

Honestly, if someone else comes out of the woodwork with a 5/10 review - if I believed that their concerns were genuine and they handled it maturely and professionally without trolling or needless Nintendo and Zelda fan-bashing, then I would accept it as professional; but I really and truly think that Jim Sterling is only doing this to spite fans and because he doesn't like Nintendo.

Said fans also DDOS'd his site, and attempted to gain access to his Twitter account. Why should he respect them?

 

[Deckard Chapel]

Said fans also DDOS'd his site, and attempted to gain access to his Twitter account. Why should he respect them?

Really?

 

[Tecnniqe]

Let's just all agree to disagree, lock the thread and get back to playing whatever game it is that makes us grin from ear to ear

You compared Jim to Nazi atrocities due to a review score and see the fans mad about a metacritic score drop as the Allied?

&#129300;

 

[Ansatz]

He is stretching, like, an incredible amount for the Witcher 3, many many people have problems with Witcher 3's combat because range and enemy location is actually important. It takes skill to be okay, and even more to master. Click the Witcher 3 link he was literally focused on the guy farther away, this is actually a sign of good controls imo, you can pick the exact enemy you want to target and not just the nearest one. This guy sucks at the game BTW lol.


OT: why are you posting this? BotW combat is lock-on and messy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkFqn1TMeH4&t=4m6s

 

[zeldablue]

Can someone fill me in...?

Is this another 8.8 situation? Doesn't Breath of the Wild has a 98% rating on Metacritic right now? None of the fans should be freaking out. I remember in 1998 there was a guy who would rate Ocarina of Time a 0 out of 10 each and every day in the hopes that the rating would eventually go down. Well guess what...it's been over a decade and that game is still #1. P:

I like Jim, but I'm not sure I agree with many of his reviews. :|

 

[Parapraxis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkFqn1TMeH4&t=4m6s

Yes, I see he is terrible at the game, and is not employing any strategy at all and likely has it on a low difficulty. WTF is your point?

Do you have experience with this game?

 

[Ansatz]

Yes, I see he is terrible at the game, and is not employing any strategy at all and likely has it on a low difficulty. WTF is your point?

Do you have experience with this game?

and likely has it on a low difficulty

low difficulty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkFqn1TMeH4&t=2m30s

 

[Saucestin_Roast]

Calm DOWN people. I can't even believe the response this is getting. This is like my third time ever seeing a Jimquisition video, but Jim obviously plays a character and it is clear to me that the show is about taking the piss out of video games and focusing on negative things in the games industry. That's what he does. If this bothers you, do not watch him. Do not listen to him. Move on. But guess what? There is no conspiracy going on here.

He's allowed to have opinions on things. All reviewers are. This stuff is subjective. People review stuff harshly sometimes. It happens. There are outliers. If he doesn't like the weapon durability system and you do? Tough shit. People have different opinions. Move on! It just doesn't matter. It's one reviewer. Even if he's in the minority with his score, he's entitled to it. You're just making yourselves look bad, honestly. Good lord. I haven't even played Zelda yet--can't afford it right now. I really can't wait to play it. But I have to also say I am ashamed to be a Zelda fan right now after catching up with all this nonsense drama.

Let's just all enjoy our vidya games. Or don't! Cause ya know... sometimes they aren't your favorite.

 

[Deckard Chapel]

You compared Jim to Nazi atrocities due to a review score and see the fans mad about a metacritic score drop as the Allied?

&#129300;

It was in an analogy; calm down and get some rest.

 

[Parapraxis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkFqn1TMeH4&t=2m30s

He's still taking on bandits at the start of the game and nearly lost. He is still terrible at the game. He's not doing himself any favors with the awful video, really.

Do you have experience with this game?

 

[Conezays]

Did Jim spoil the ending of the game or was that a joke?

 

[Ansatz]

WTF is your point?

I'm simply recommending games that Jim will likely find enjoyable to play, because they allow him to have mindless fun.

 

[Parapraxis]

I'm simply recommending games that Jim will likely find enjoyable to play, because they allow him to have mindless fun.

NO, you are using a shitty video of a guy going out of his way to play a game badly and to frame the combat in as poor a light as humanly possible as a strawman against Jim's issues with BotW


Have you played Witcher 3?

Did you find it an easy game? What kind of build did you use?

How do you find the combat in BotW in comparison to Witcher 3?

 

[Amir0x]

It's not the score he gave it that bothers me - it's everything that he did that led up to the review, as well as the aftermath via his video response of his own review. It was completely unprofessional from start to finish and that's pre, during & post review.

No one else in the games media industry acted and reacted the way that he did regarding BOTW. He was trolling before he even shared his review, he trolled during it and then gave a lower-than-average score merely to fan the flames - only to post a video less than 24 hours later that he obviously had at-the-ready just to fuel his own agenda.

What is professional here? His website got DDoS'd and people were calling him names even before his review went up when he started expressing frustration about the durability. Are you saying he shouldn't have addressed it? Or are you saying he should have behaved differently with this incident then he does with any other industry problem he encounters?

He has a brand, and a brand personality. Part of this brand is being a consumer advocate with his harsh, voice-of-the-people rhetoric, even his outfit is inspired by such media imagery. Now, to you, harshly and playfully calling these groups out and unifying that message with his already stated misgivings about the systems is somehow unprofessional. But that's what he does, and it's not attention seeking (that is, any more than it necessarily is as a product he is selling, same as any review ever). He genuinely believes his views, and he goes through a damn lot of trouble to articulate why. His review was extremely thorough and expansive. But if he didn't deliver those views in his signature style, or he didn't go after those "babies" who are literally crying about the score for no reason... he wouldn't be delivering his product.

And people who pay for his product expect it. For you this is "seeking attention." For Jim, it is "delivering the product people pay for." He's a consumer advocate who is also delivering a product his consumers demand. When you parse it out, you can easily separate what he does from true attention seeking. Because nobody seeking mere attention would put in half the effort he does to elaborate on the problems he has. There are far easier ways to troll fanboys, because fanboys are the world's easiest target.

Honestly, if someone else comes out of the woodwork with a 5/10 review - if I believed that their concerns were genuine and they handled it maturely and professionally without trolling or needless Nintendo and Zelda fan-bashing, then I would accept it as professional; but I really and truly think that Jim Sterling is only doing this to spite fans and because he doesn't like Nintendo.

By the standards of Deckard Chapel, he failed. But you have not proved by any measure that he has not described his problems at length or that he doesn't really feel this way or that he was wrong to get angry at the people who ridiculously overreacted over a score. You don't like that he called them out on it, or that he plays with them as a cat does a ball of yarn. But that is the product he delivers. His job is NOT to let those things go, because it's less entertaining if he does. And he's not just a critic - he's an entertainer.

And you are fine not to be entertained by it. But accusing him of being inauthentic in his views or intentionally giving it a low score to rile people up or some shit is just absurd and completely out of character for who we all know Jim is.

 

[Professor Beef]

Really?

Yes really.

 

[Gravy Boat]

Man this review really openened the floodgates for people frustrated by all those 10s. I'm not sure that it's the "Zelda rabid fanbase" the real issue here honestly.

This thread isn't the length it is because people don't like that it got 10a from other reviewers. It's because people don't like that Jim gave it a 7 and it's bloody pathetic.

 

[MTC100]

Weapon degradation should be a punishment for messing up rather than just something that happens no matter what. Like, an edged weapon should hack through fleshy targets all day without much worry but bashing it against walls and shields would obviously wear it down more quickly.

You will be happy to hear that it indeed is used as a punishment for messing up. You can also see it in his Video, hammer the Sword at shields and it breaks rather easily, also different enemies take less or more damage to specific weapons and also your weapons take different amounts of damage in return. It's too bad you can't see how much damage the weapon takes with each strike, that wouls make it a lot easier to grasp what you did wrong but its in line with Bintebdos design philosophy of keeping things simple.

 

[joecanada]

I'm pretty sure people are also actually trolling this thread to purposely get it closed now. Did I see a reference to Nazi Germany in here ? Holy shit .

 

[Amir0x]

It's a cruel cycle too. That poor Horizon reviewer that gave the game a 50/100 took so much shit. Jeff giving Twilight Princess a 8.8 took so much shit. That reviewer who shit on Uncharted 2, goddamn. That reviewer for Nier: Automata took waaay too much shit.

Like do people really want fully homogeneous reviews to be happy or something? No review can be in an outlier for a popular game, new rule same as the old rules?

 

[Deleted member 325805]

The weapon durability in Zelda is awful and I hate the system in general, as Jim said it's just not fun at all. It's so bad in Zelda they should honestly patch it out.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

I agree that the weapon durability feature is pretty annoying at the start of the game, but weapons become way more durable as you progress further. Furthermore, if you use your bow and the slate's powers, weapon durability shouldn't be an issue at all. Eventually you're able to expand your inventory and don't know what to do with allof the powerful weapons you have.

Thanks for this. Good to have a counter view. The way Jim described it sounded like it was without merit. Your opinion seems like a good point.

 

[Shengar]

Jim continue to be awful, news at 11.

 

[BeeDog]

It's a cruel cycle too. That poor Horizon reviewer that gave the game a 50/100 took so much shit. Jeff giving Twilight Princess a 8.8 took so much shit. That reviewer who shit on Uncharted 2, goddamn. That reviewer for Nier: Automata took waaay too much shit.

Like do people really want fully homogeneous reviews to be happy or something? No review can be in an outlier for a popular game, new rule same as the old rules?

In my eyes, gaming is one of the ultimate forms of escapism. Therefore it, quite naturally, leads to being highly regarded by a certain subset of gamers who might not have much going on in their lives otherwise. They put too much value into how their favorite IPs/games/companies are perceived and essentially have too much time to fight and bicker about it. And with the anonymous angle on the internet, it's quite easy to take things too far since there are no real repercussions.

 

[joecanada]

How many times do I have to say the exact same thing? Jim Sterling chooses to use Patreon and merchandise to make his living; he uses Jimquisitions and his website in order to drive attention and, therefore, revenue towards those two things. Every video and review of his has links towards those two revenue streams. If people stopped giving him money he would stop creating videos so, therefore, the videos are monetized. Do street performers not monetize their performances because you don't have to pay to watch/listen to them?

You keep saying it and yet you keep ignoring the responses. Cultivating a subscriber base is nothing like putting out inflammatory shit for click bait . Which is what you are equating . If anything Jim may have picked up more subs by pandering to the Nintendo crowd with a nice suckup review . He has a reputation and certain element that drives subs and flash in the pan click bait ain't the same

 

[MTC100]

If Nintendo had designed weapon durability into the combat system, such as:

-Weapons take 1.5x damage if hitting a shield
-Weapons take 0.5x damage when in slow-mo-mode
-Weapons take 0x damage with some super special risk/reward timing

I would have invested far more care and deliberation into each encounter, instead of just mashing Y.

What if I told you, that that's mostly how they designed it(though I can't tell you the actual numbers behind calculating the degration of the weapon)!? You won't hear that from Jim of course

 

[primasaurus]

The weapon durability in Zelda is awful and I hate the system in general, as Jim said it's just not fun at all. It's so bad in Zelda they should honestly patch it out.

I like it

 

[AcademicSaucer]

hey if it's any consolation, I've tried to educate myself on the most major videogame manbaby shitfits

though that uncharted wall of shame disappeared before I could see it, like an artefact lost to time

You should have seen when people were attacking Ellen Page over the Last of Us, even Naughty Dog devs participated.

 

[Branduil]

The weapon durability in Zelda is awful and I hate the system in general, as Jim said it's just not fun at all. It's so bad in Zelda they should honestly patch it out.

Patching it out would literally break the game. It would be the same as patching RE4 so that you have the weapon with infinite ammo from the beginning of the game.

 

[Spinifex]

It's a cruel cycle too. That poor Horizon reviewer that gave the game a 50/100 took so much shit. Jeff giving Twilight Princess a 8.8 took so much shit. That reviewer who shit on Uncharted 2, goddamn. That reviewer for Nier: Automata took waaay too much shit.

Like do people really want fully homogeneous reviews to be happy or something? No review can be in an outlier for a popular game, new rule same as the old rules?

My 'favourite' is Carolyn Petit, who was vilified and harassed for the mortal sin of giving GTA5 a 9. A FUCKING 9

 

[MTC100]

It's a cruel cycle too. That poor Horizon reviewer that gave the game a 50/100 took so much shit. Jeff giving Twilight Princess a 8.8 took so much shit. That reviewer who shit on Uncharted 2, goddamn. That reviewer for Nier: Automata took waaay too much shit.

Like do people really want fully homogeneous reviews to be happy or something? No review can be in an outlier for a popular game, new rule same as the old rules?

I don't think a 5/10 is reasonable for Horizon, neither are the two 6/10 Zelda got, Jims 7/10 is the bare lowest he could give the game without losing all credibility, and he knows that very well. Even if you "hate" the game you review, you still have to recognize the amount of work that went into it and that's what jim did in his Zelda review.

 

[TriAceJP]

The weapon durability in Zelda is awful and I hate the system in general, as Jim said it's just not fun at all. It's so bad in Zelda they should honestly patch it out.

I think it should be reworked. Have no/neglectible damage via normal use, but make throwing your weapons do massive damage at the cost of 100% break.

Metal weapons don't break after using them for minutes.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Can someone fill me in...?

Is this another 8.8 situation? Doesn't Breath of the Wild has a 98% rating on Metacritic right now?

Nah, it has dropped to 97% after his review, which only made the man babies even more mad.

It's a cruel cycle too. That poor Horizon reviewer that gave the game a 50/100 took so much shit. Jeff giving Twilight Princess a 8.8 took so much shit. That reviewer who shit on Uncharted 2, goddamn. That reviewer for Nier: Automata took waaay too much shit.

Like do people really want fully homogeneous reviews to be happy or something? No review can be in an outlier for a popular game, new rule same as the old rules?

The consequence of people treating their favorite platform holder like a god.