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Marvel's Iron Fist |OT| Hi-yahh - March 17th on Netflix

Pachimari

Member
That part. It's about as good as Fox's various Fantastic Four movies. Marvel upped the expectations for these kinds of shows, and they were on a solid run until this thing plopped out.
Oh fucking hyperbole post again trying to get your point across that it's a bad show period.

Jessica Jones had pacing problems, Luke Cage fell off in the second half and Iron Fist doesn't have any highs. That's about it. Not only Iron Fist had bad fight choreography, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage had so too.
 
Oh fucking hyperbole post again trying to get your point across that it's a bad show period.

Jessica Jones had pacing problems, Luke Cage fell off in the second half and Iron Fist doesn't have any highs. That's about it. Not only Iron Fist had bad fight choreography, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage had so too.

Nah I enjoyed it
 
I'm actually really enjoying it,i loved Daredevil,liked Luke Cage but hated Jessica Jones.So I'd put it as my 2nd favourite Netflix Marvel show so far
 

boiled goose

good with gravy
Gaf has a strange super hatred for marvel Netflix so I took hatred with a grain of salt.

A few episodes in and it's alright. Bit slow and predictable. I wish it Explored the kung fu stuff more. Doesn't even have to be mystical. Just martial arts.

Feels like a soap because they keep reusing the same flashbacks. Enough already...

Fighting so far generic. As a a huge fan of Jackie chan fight scenes and former martial artist the lack of focus on this facet is disapointing

For show about martial arts it's a huge step down from the brutal and stylistic fights in daredevil
 

Bane

Member
I thought the first episode was really bad but as the series has gone on I've been digging it more and more. I hated Ward in the first episode and now he's probably the most interesting character. I think I'm on episode 8 now. Unless the quality drops badly for the last few episodes I might put it above Cage, only because of the latter half of that show. First half of Cage was fucking fantastic.
 

mm04

Member
Overall, I enjoyed it. I'm disappointed in the setup for who the villains for next season will be, however. And I'm sure there will be a second season, regardless of critical response.

Very excited for The Defenders. Who's the showrunner?
 
Overall, I enjoyed it. I'm disappointed in the setup for who the villains for next season will be, however. And I'm sure there will be a second season, regardless of critical response.

Very excited for The Defenders. Who's the showrunner?

The Daredevil guys: Douglas Petrie and Marco Ramirez
 

nOoblet16

Member
Gaf has a strange super hatred for marvel Netflix so I took hatred with a grain of salt.

A few episodes in and it's alright. Bit slow and predictable. I wish it Explored the kung fu stuff more. Doesn't even have to be mystical. Just martial arts.

Feels like a soap because they keep reusing the same flashbacks. Enough already...

Fighting so far generic. As a a huge fan of Jackie chan fight scenes and former martial artist the lack of focus on this facet is disapointing

For show about martial arts it's a huge step down from the brutal and stylistic fights in daredevil
Everyone loves Daredevil though. I think that show is better than every Marvel show by a large margin. The only thing I liked about Luke Cage was the music.

What I find funny is despite how DC is consistently shit on big screen compared to consistently good Marvel. The situation is reversed when it comes to TV. The Arrowverse shows are quite a bit better in terms of production values, fight choreography as well as general quality of the show. Legends of Tomorrow started out as a dud but has turned into a fantastic show, The Flash is becoming a bit shit now though.
 

Cardon

Member
If there's ever a WWF/WWE biopic film Dave Wenham (Papa Mecham) needs to play Vince McMahon. Dude was great as a scene chewing baddie.
 

Zen Aku

Member
As much as I DIDN'T hate this show. It's just so mediocre and could have been amazing since you can see flashes of greatness here and there.

Legends of Tomorrow is definitely better than this show, even Season 1 of it. The Hawks were just dragging the show down but man, at least Captain Cold and Heat Wave were a joy to watch every single episode, and the rest of the cast had personality and wasn't so boring you want to tear your eyes out.

In Iron Fist, I couldn't resonate with Danny at all. Heck, I like Danny in the first episode better when he was a carefree relaxed guy, who seem to have a good control on his emotions, reminded me a lot of Yoh Asakura from Shaman King and that's awesome. But later on he acts like a child for the rest of the show and I'm just wondering if it's the same character.

Ward is your typical bad guy, sorta anti-hero maybe. He was serviceable but nowhere as good as other secondary villains we have seen in the three other Marvel shows. Joy is fine, she cares about Danny. But like Ward, the siblings are poorly portrayed because of how bad the writing is. One moment Joy seem to want to work it out with Danny the next she want him to get out of their lives.

Harold is the typical mustache swirling villain in many of his scenes but he never really felt threatening. He's just there...

I hate how he most that this show ruined Madame Gao for me. She was at her best she when make some appearances sporadically throughout Daredevil. But having her appeared so much with this shitty writing have made me hate her. Always talk in riddles and honestly by the time that episode rolled around where she got kidnapped and they spent almost an entire episode at Colleen dojo, I was just done with Madame Gao. I honestly wanted Colleen to shove a sock in her.

Colleen, Claire and Hogarth are the only bright spots in this show.

Colleen actually seem like a much more competent fighter than Danny physically, where as Danny seem more like your grandma doing Tai-Chi in your backyard in half of his fight scenes. She also was incredibly likeable.
Claire is still same old Claire, lighting up any show she is on, even the poor writing didn't manage to bring her character down.

Hogarth is surprisingly great at her limited appearance. She was witty, straight forward and full of sarcasm. I especially like the straight forward part after spending way too long listening to Madam Gao.

I don't blame Finn Jones, the writing and the obvious rush job of this show didn't do him any favor. I think he's a good actor but he had no time to prepared and honestly I'm not sure if given a good amount of time if he would have been better? He seem like a case of miscasting. If they truly wanted him, they should have spent more time training him to get more physically fit and time to understand the character. Cause Danny Rand as a character was all over the place.

Ideally I think I would have gone with Lewis Tan, he was absolutely fantastic. Probably the only fight scene I truly enjoyed in the whole show from start to finished. I hope Lewis Tan come back in some capacity.

I hope Marvel TV learn from this show and not rushed any of their future projects. I'm willing to give Finn Jones another chance and I wish him the best of luck.
 

LotusHD

Banned
Everyone loves Daredevil though. I think that show is better than every Marvel show by a large margin. The only thing I liked about Luke Cage was the music.

What I find funny is despite how DC is consistently shit on big screen compared to consistently good Marvel. The situation is reversed when it comes to TV. The Arrowverse shows are quite a bit better in terms of production values, fight choreography as well as general quality of the show. Legends of Tomorrow started out as a dud but has turned into a fantastic show, The Flash is becoming a bit shit now though.

I mean yea, I definitely ain't going out to see DCEU movies anytime soon, but I don't really bother with the whole rivalry thing. I just like my superhero/comic book shit, and I'll take it wherever I can get it unless it is incredibly bad. Basically only watched IF out of morbid curiosity, and because it's the last one before Defenders.

But like your post points out, the gap between the Marvel Netflix shows and the Arrowverse has definitely gotten smaller. Like when Daredevil first came out, it put Arrow to shame, albeit that was also because it was going through its worst season. It's what started the whole (understandable) assumption that the Netflix shows should be overall superior to their CW counterparts (and AoS). But even then, Flash S1 had its own niche in embracing the more zany side of being a comic book show, so it was just as entertaining. Then you get stuff like Luke Cage's 2nd half, the entirety of Iron Fist, and the acknowledgment of all the Netflix shows having pacing issues in some form or fashion... and yea, once again, the gap has gotten smaller.

AoS is still king though. Legion is also incredibly good, maybe even better.
 

necrosis

Member
Everyone loves Daredevil though. I think that show is better than every Marvel show by a large margin. The only thing I liked about Luke Cage was the music.

What I find funny is despite how DC is consistently shit on big screen compared to consistently good Marvel. The situation is reversed when it comes to TV. The Arrowverse shows are quite a bit better in terms of production values, fight choreography as well as general quality of the show. Legends of Tomorrow started out as a dud but has turned into a fantastic show, The Flash is becoming a bit shit now though.

this might be attributable to my marvel fanboyism, but i view marvel TV -- at its worst -- as being almost on the level of the arrowverse. at its best, though (e.g. both seasons of daredevil), marvel TV absolutely blows all of those programs out of the water
 

nOoblet16

Member
I mean yea, I definitely ain't going out to see DCEU movies anytime soon, but I don't really bother with the whole rivalry thing. I just like my superhero/comic book shit, and I'll take it wherever I can get it unless it is incredibly bad. Basically only watched IF out of morbid curiosity, and because it's the last one before Defenders.

But like your post points out, the gap between the Marvel Netflix shows and the Arrowverse has definitely gotten smaller. Like when Daredevil first came out, it put Arrow to shame, albeit that was also because it was going through its worst season. It's what started the whole (understandable) assumption that the Netflix shows should be overall superior to their CW counterparts (and AoS). But even then, Flash S1 had its own niche in embracing the more zany side of being a comic book show, so it was just as entertaining. Then you get stuff like Luke Cage's 2nd half, the entirety of Iron Fist, and the acknowledgment of all the Netflix shows having pacing issues in some form or fashion... and yea, once again, the gap has gotten smaller.

AoS is still king though. Legion is also incredibly good, maybe even better.

this might be attributable to my marvel fanboyism, but i view marvel TV -- at its worst -- as being almost on the level of the arrowverse. at its best, though (e.g. both seasons of daredevil), marvel TV absolutely blows all of those programs out of the water

Aroow became a bit shit after Deathstroke and the team became too big, this season though they've gone back to smaller teams and less supernatural shit which I like. Legends of Tomorrow imo is the best show right now simply because it's doing everything The Flash did right in season 1 and more...the characters are good and especially the Legion of Doom is just fantastic. It also makes me feel that once this season is over and Legion of Doom goes away it might experience a sharp dip in quality.
 

ev0

Member
I hope Marvel TV learn from this show and not rushed any of their future projects. I'm willing to give Finn Jones another chance and I wish him the best of luck.

Well the upcoming Inhumans also seems to have a super short time from Announce to Production, and even the same showrunner as Iron Fist...

Hopefully Inhumans is a hit and Scott Buck stays there
 

Spuck-uk

Banned
Legion takes a massive dump on everything else, as long as you can handle the weirdness, followed by daredevil season 1, then it's a long drop in quality.
 
Everyone loves Daredevil though. .
I remember reading quite a few people on the site )not this thread) hating on season 2 of daredevil (which by the way I ended up enjoying alot)


I can sum up Marvrl Tv shows like this...
Is The Hand involved? (DD S1 & S2, Iton Fist) Yes? Then great series

Is the Hand not involved? (JJ and LC) No? Their stories are not interesting enough for me.
 

Kin5290

Member
Oh fucking hyperbole post again trying to get your point across that it's a bad show period.

Jessica Jones had pacing problems, Luke Cage fell off in the second half and Iron Fist doesn't have any highs. That's about it. Not only Iron Fist had bad fight choreography, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage had so too.
Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were ordinary, untrained people who just happened to have super strength and invulnerability. It's not a good thing to say that Iron Fist, a show about a grandmaster martial artist, has fight choreography that can be compared to those two.
 

Zen Aku

Member
Charlie Cox convinced me he was Daredevil, much more so than Finn Jones as the Iron Fist.

I think they should have given Finn a mask or something like Season 1 Daredevil black suit. Claire would have commented that she has seen something like it before.

For a guy who is a billionaire and a public figure, Finn has no problem protecting his identity. Running around like an idiot and announcing himself.
 

boiled goose

good with gravy
Charlie Cox convinced me he was Daredevil, much more so than Finn Jones as the Iron Fist.

I think they should have given Finn a mask or something like Season 1 Daredevil black suit. Claire would have commented that she has seen something like it before.

For a guy who is a billionaire and a public figure, Finn has no problem protecting his identity. Running around like an idiot and announcing himself.

Something also unexplored is dannys outsider ness. He spent 15 years or whatever on a Fucking mountain and yet he is largely socially competent in modern nyc society, fluent in adult English, etc. They show hints like shoes, bed, flowers, Buddhist quotes, but it doesn't permeate his character enough.
 

NandoGip

Member
Something also unexplored is dannys outsider ness. He spent 15 years or whatever on a Fucking mountain and yet he is largely socially competent in modern nyc society, fluent in adult English, etc. They show hints like shoes, bed, flowers, Buddhist quotes, but it doesn't permeate his character enough.

He also knows how to drive.
 

Piku_Ringo

Banned
After witnessing that sorry fucking excuse of the Bride of Nine Spiders...

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or I was only up to episode 3, and that explanation doesn't come until later. Thanks for the condescension though.

Buck and co took one gigantic steaming dump on Matt's Immortal Weapons arc for the laughs.
 

Oddduck

Member
Now granted, I've only watched five episodes of Iron Fist, so it's possible that the show turns into shit by the end of the season. But based on what I've seen so far, I don't see how this show is so much worse than Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. It's definitely slower paced than Marvel's other shows.

As much as I enjoyed Jessica Jones, there was a lot of stupid shit like the Jeri Hogarth divorce storyline, the Trish Walker - Will Simpson storyline, the terrible fight choreography, and weird pacing issues.

Edit: I do agree that the fight scenes in Iron Fist aren't good. Then again, I feel like Daredevil is the only show with decent fight scenes.
 

Pachimari

Member
Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were ordinary, untrained people who just happened to have super strength and invulnerability. It's not a good thing to say that Iron Fist, a show about a grandmaster martial artist, has fight choreography that can be compared to those two.
I hate it when this excuse pops up. "Well, they were brutes, untrained people." To hell with that excuse. The fights didn't even look as though they didn't know how to fight, or even like straight out brutes. The thing is, they didn't show it like they put in any power or effort in their punches. It looked wrong. The only good fight from those two shows were the Jessica Jones vs Luke Cage fight in JJ.

I'm now at Episode 12 and it has gotten better and better. I do fear they'll mess up the finale though, or if it'll end with some sort of set up to Defenders.
 

LotusHD

Banned
I hate it when this excuse pops up. "Well, they were brutes, untrained people." To hell with that excuse. The fights didn't even look as though they didn't know how to fight, or even like straight out brutes. The thing is, they didn't show it like they put in any power or effort in their punches. It looked wrong. The only good fight from those two shows were the Jessica Jones vs Luke Cage fight in JJ.

It's a pretty good excuse imo, namely because I was also interested in everything else that was happening. Whereas for IF, not so much, which then gets exacerbated because there's nothing impressive regarding the fight scenes to take my mind off of it. A big focus of the character is to be skilled in martial arts, not to mention we know what the Netflix shows are capable of regarding this through Daredevil.
 

RedAssedApe

Banned
I hate it when this excuse pops up. "Well, they were brutes, untrained people." To hell with that excuse. The fights didn't even look as though they didn't know how to fight, or even like straight out brutes. The thing is, they didn't show it like they put in any power or effort in their punches. It looked wrong. The only good fight from those two shows were the Jessica Jones vs Luke Cage fight in JJ.

I'm now at Episode 12 and it has gotten better and better. I do fear they'll mess up the finale though, or if it'll end with some sort of set up to Defenders.

well the fights were also filmed/edited a lot better without all the jump cuts. then again, the style of fighting didn't necessitate the MCs looking like they actually know how to fight. as opposed to daredevil and ironfist being trained in martial arts. i think its fair to compare the latter two shows. based on the info we have available it probably comes down to finn getting almost zero prep-time combined with not having a stunt double to fall back on. which is probably the reason for the shit editing.
 

Pachimari

Member
It's a pretty good excuse imo, namely because I was also interested in everything else that was happening. Whereas for IF, not so much, which then gets exacerbated because there's nothing impressive regarding the fight scenes to take my mind off of it.
But we are talking about the fights here. Not everything else.

If we are talking about the shows in general, then I prefer Iron Fist, but can see why someone else might prefer Jessica Jones or Luke Cage.
 

Pachimari

Member
well the fights were also filmed a lot better without all the jump cuts. then again, the style of fighting didn't necessitate the MCs looking like they actually know how to fight. as opposed to daredevil and ironfist being trained in martial arts.
The editing is better in both those shows than in Iron Fist yeah. I guess it's the wire work that made the fights in LC and mostly JJ look very off.
 

LotusHD

Banned
But we are talking about the fights here. Not everything else.

If we are talking about the shows in general, then I prefer Iron Fist, but can see why someone else might prefer Jessica Jones or Luke Cage.

Like people have said, a big part of the anticipation for Iron Fist was presumably for the fight scenes. I myself mused that regardless of IF's quality, it's nice to go back to some good ol' martial arts after the 2nd half of Luke Cage. That whatever happens, I'd have that to look forward to.

I mean, I could give you Jessica Jones I guess, as her superstrength was pretty inconsistent, but it wasn't the main draw. While Luke Cage, for the most part it worked imo and got a few cool scenes out of it. And I liked that they depicted him as being bored with fighting due to him being practically invincible, so he'd typically restrain himself and slap them or something. I think the actor even dubbed it "Slap-Fu" lol

At the end of the day, those two shows could've been better, but there's a reason as to why people are harder on Iron Fist. We expected more from the show centered around martial arts.
 

Pachimari

Member
At the end of the day, those two shows could've been better, but there's a reason as to why people are harder on Iron Fist. We expected more from the show centered around martial arts.
You don't say.. I think everybody have noticed the reception Iron Fist has gotten.

And I never said anything about Iron Fist's fights being good. You talk about how people anticipated a good martial arts show which I had looked forward to as well, and I even said Iron Fist has bad fight choreography, but so did Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, or let me say bad wirework and acting during fights.
 

ev0

Member
Anyone ever watch Marco Polo on Netflix? Apparently its the same stunt coordinator as Iron Fist but the martial arts scenes are waaaaaayy better.

So as mentioned, Finn's lack of prep time/skills and the shitty cuts and edits used to cover up for it may be more of an issue than even the choreography
 

Pachimari

Member
Yeah, he had 20 minutes to learn the choreography before filming. It's unfortunate that they were in such a rush job since they started so late and the contract nearing its deadline.
 

KarmaCow

Member
He also gets to wear a mask, thus allowing a stunt guy to take over for him.

I wonder how they could solve that problem with Iron Fist...

HMMMMMM

It is weird that they didn't opt to do this considering they knew they had limited time. Seems like it would have solved or at least improved arguably the worst part of the show.
 

LotusHD

Banned
They might have been concerned that it'd resemble DD's season 1 costume too much.

Should've been more concerned about having a good show first. It probably would've helped them a lot if they were that pressed for time. It's unfortunate, but I expect Defenders to show us what Danny is presumably supposed to be capable of.
 

Pachimari

Member
I hope we get a Season 2, a new showrunner, and most all preparation time for the choreography team to teach the actors. I haven't finished the season yet but I wonder who they would use for a second season. I would love for it to be the
Bride of Nine Spiders
.

I'm also excited to see what the DD S2 showrunners can get out of Finn Jones.
 

wandering

Banned
Should've been more concerned about having a good show first. It probably would've helped them a lot if they were that pressed for time. It's unfortunate, but I expect Defenders to show us what Danny is presumably supposed to be capable of.
Well then they shouldn't have done the Frank Miller costume in DD then. That's their problem.

No argument from me there.

Also, I'm thinking it would've been interesting to have seen Lewis Tan as Davos even moreso than Danny. It would have played pretty fittingly into the character, considering the backstory...
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
I hope we get a Season 2, a new showrunner, and most all preparation time for the choreography team to teach the actors. I haven't finished the season yet but I wonder who they would use for a second season. I would love for it to be the
Bride of Nine Spiders
.

I'm also excited to see what the DD S2 showrunners can get out of Finn Jones.
They already use her. And it's terrible.
 
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