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I want to get excited for the future of Xbox but Microsoft aren't helping
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wapplew
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Switch got nothing but Zelda 2 month before launch, just saying.
Scalebound was basically the only game that would have convinced me to maybe buy an Xbox One in the future.
Now that it's cancelled, I don't see why I would even bother. I don't care about any of Microsoft's franchises, and... well that's literally the only selling point the Xbox has over the PS4.
Now that it's cancelled, I don't see why I would even bother. I don't care about any of Microsoft's franchises, and... well that's literally the only selling point the Xbox has over the PS4.
I just really hope they don't rely on third party exclusives and actually cultivate new, exciting IP of their own.
TangoAlphaLima
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Why would you announce launch games for the new console before releasing information about the console itself?
The real question is whether they've got much to announce. There haven't been any notable leaks.
TanookiTom
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Sadly the only Xbox One exclusive on the horizon that I am interested in is Tacoma - that game seems awesome!
And I can only shake my head at all the people mentioning Scorpio as if it were some kind of holy grail for Microsoft. What good is a more powerful console going to be without any (exclusive) games on it to play?
People seem to think that the PS4 won because of the superior hardware, but the truth is that MS dropped the ball on so many accounts - the botched up launch, the lack of exclusive system-selling software etc. etc. - the hardware is just the icing on the cake.
So who is going to buy the Scorpio except hardcore Xbox fans? I personally have zero interest in Scorpio at the current time. They'll really need to show some killer games at E3 this year to convince most people otherwise I'd say.
Yeah, but at least we know that something is coming this year...
And I can only shake my head at all the people mentioning Scorpio as if it were some kind of holy grail for Microsoft. What good is a more powerful console going to be without any (exclusive) games on it to play?
People seem to think that the PS4 won because of the superior hardware, but the truth is that MS dropped the ball on so many accounts - the botched up launch, the lack of exclusive system-selling software etc. etc. - the hardware is just the icing on the cake.
So who is going to buy the Scorpio except hardcore Xbox fans? I personally have zero interest in Scorpio at the current time. They'll really need to show some killer games at E3 this year to convince most people otherwise I'd say.
Yeah, but at least we know that something is coming this year...
UpDownLeftRight
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You might wanna look up what they've been doing recently and prepare for diappointment. I don't think they're ever coming back to consoles.
Yeah, the big news at E3 needs to be announcements for exclusive games. If it's just Scorpio news and showing Gears of War 4 and Forza running at 4K then it would be a major disaster.
1.21Gigawatts
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I think Microsoft thought that they could carry the platform with 3rd party exclusives. That actually worked pretty good with 360.
So they didn't invest in 1st party as much.
But after the first batch didn't really take off and Ps4s lead was already substantial securing 3rd party exclusives became more and more difficult.
Add to that Microsoft non-presence in Japan, which by default leads to a bunch of Ps4 exclusives because Xbox is just not a relevant platform for many of these titles, and you got a pretty bad look for MS.
Sony is crushing them when it comes to 1st party output, Japanese support is non-existent and 3rd party exclusives are practically impossible to come by for MS at this point.
I also think Scorpio is going to have a hard time taking off.
The price point will be quite a bit above Ps4/Pro and Switch, I guess, and while these platform will have games like Super Mario Odyssey, God Of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted Lost Legacy to entice potential customers, it seems that so far Scorpio marketing is mostly relying on power.
That kinda worked for Ps4 back in 2013, but I don't think it works anymore. At the start of a generation people are looking for future promise. Launch games are usually not that great anyway so people focus on different things. Early adopters usually also care more about these kinds of numbers. I would assume that Scorpio appeals mostly to core Xbox fans who already own an Xbox One. But the broader market will be convinced by the better software offer on Ps4 or Switch.
That said, I think Switch will also have a hard time. 1 or 2 great Nintendo games a year don't cut it, unless you consider the Switch as secondary console next to a PC or Ps4.
So they didn't invest in 1st party as much.
But after the first batch didn't really take off and Ps4s lead was already substantial securing 3rd party exclusives became more and more difficult.
Add to that Microsoft non-presence in Japan, which by default leads to a bunch of Ps4 exclusives because Xbox is just not a relevant platform for many of these titles, and you got a pretty bad look for MS.
Sony is crushing them when it comes to 1st party output, Japanese support is non-existent and 3rd party exclusives are practically impossible to come by for MS at this point.
I also think Scorpio is going to have a hard time taking off.
The price point will be quite a bit above Ps4/Pro and Switch, I guess, and while these platform will have games like Super Mario Odyssey, God Of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted Lost Legacy to entice potential customers, it seems that so far Scorpio marketing is mostly relying on power.
That kinda worked for Ps4 back in 2013, but I don't think it works anymore. At the start of a generation people are looking for future promise. Launch games are usually not that great anyway so people focus on different things. Early adopters usually also care more about these kinds of numbers. I would assume that Scorpio appeals mostly to core Xbox fans who already own an Xbox One. But the broader market will be convinced by the better software offer on Ps4 or Switch.
That said, I think Switch will also have a hard time. 1 or 2 great Nintendo games a year don't cut it, unless you consider the Switch as secondary console next to a PC or Ps4.
Throwing Cuphead and especially Below in there is hurtful man.
CambriaRising
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There was a time when I thought I might get an Xbox one. I don't think I ever will at this point. There's just no reason to for me.
Jack The Nipper
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Cause the games don't look good or interesting?
They don't have things to show to build hype. Especially considering why they do show kills half the fan base hype.
There isn't much hype. Halo 3 had it, modern warfare, gears and other games.
When halo was revealed they were showing that half assed team campaign and those terrible mp modes and maps. Half my old halo buddies watched that and already decided to forget it and they did.
They don't even have Xbox's anymore. After mc and halo 5 they either gave up or played destiny or something.
If ms wants that thunder back it can begin with a good halo. But that isn't going to happen.
Personally XBox is in a place where it doesn´t call out to me at all...BUT, Scorpio may actually do better than we´re expecting, even if no avalanche of exclusives come out with it. PS4 is all about power, as is PS4 Pro, which in TV gets advertised as "the world´s most powerful console". Maybe the general public will react positively when MS reveals a superconsole which puts the PS4Pro to shame. Maybe the public will bite with the promise of playing CoD, Overwatch and many others in the best possible way (bar PC).
PS4 followed a similar launch strategy, I still remember many people complaining here that the library was very poor initially and that it was living in promises, but it still paid out for Sony. Even Switch is doing something similar, with only BotW as a big release yet and a soft launch and it seems to be selling like hot cakes. So maybe there is in fact an audience for Scorpio out there and this was MS´s plan all along...However, I still can´t see how X1 fits in all of this.
PS4 followed a similar launch strategy, I still remember many people complaining here that the library was very poor initially and that it was living in promises, but it still paid out for Sony. Even Switch is doing something similar, with only BotW as a big release yet and a soft launch and it seems to be selling like hot cakes. So maybe there is in fact an audience for Scorpio out there and this was MS´s plan all along...However, I still can´t see how X1 fits in all of this.
Jack The Nipper
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I will be getting Scorpio and I believe they have some surprises. Atleast I hope so.
Expecting some kind of unannounced third party game to make it too.
Expecting some kind of unannounced third party game to make it too.
Excited to see RDR2 on the thing. Even if Sony has marketing rights, Scorpio should look/run the best.
yeah this thread would've made more sense if MS had just had a disappointing E3 but since we're 3 months away, not sure what people are expecting.
More? I mean I almost assumed they would be doing a Scorpio console reveal before E3 and then leaving E3 to be all about games.
Everything just seems so influx moreso than usual.
MS have already said there aren't any Scorpio games that aren't also on XB1 - it's a PS pro basically. They might have chosen to hold back some software reveals to go alongside the Scorpio launch details, but they'll still be XB1 games too
They're in a holding pattern. I imagine it's nothing but wheeling and dealing to get worthwhile software for the Scorpio. I'm sure we'll have the reveal of the console prior to E3 tho.
Team Andromeda
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I agree, but that always been the case since with the Xbox, 360 and Xbox One. So I don't see any difference myself as since the PS2 Sony had best In-house studios and 3rd party support. I think both the One and PS4 have enough tiles to warrant owing both, Nintendo on the other hand are a complete joke and total letdown other than Mario and EAD Tokyo team
I mean I would hope the wheeling and dealing is pretty much done for launch window games. You asked what people were expecting, I gave you what I expected.
FonkyByNature
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Also same here, other than playing the big exclusive like Horizon right now, which is great btw, or playing a multiplayer game with friends who are on PS4 mainly, i prefer the Xbox One for all the rest. There's way too much hate towards the Xbox One sometimes and i just don't want to participate in such discussions because it goes nowhere...
I have the same concerns as pretty much all Xbox fans but hey, i guess there's dark times for all console makers, it seems like it's Microsoft's turn right now. Hopefully, a great E3 is on the way for Microsoft.
One thing is sure, i will get the Scorpio. I haven't yet invested in a 4K TV and didn't get the PS4 Pro so my gaming budget is big on Scorpio.
seentursch
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Well Microsoft has incentive to not show much now because they'll want to show it on Scorpio. Sony has inventive to have their great games release now for PS4 pro. Things may be different following e3 and into the holiday season.
Team Andromeda
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I agree, but that always been the case since with the Xbox, 360 and Xbox One. So I don't see any difference myself as since the PS2 Sony had best In-house studios and 3rd party support. I think both the One and PS4 have enough tiles to warrant owing both, Nintendo on the other hand are a complete joke and total letdown other than Mario and EAD Tokyo team
I think the problem is that Microsoft doesn't have the creativity to be successful in gaming, they don't seems to bet money on the right IPs too, I mean, Sunset Overdrive, Crackdown, Scalebound etc... never really looks like console system seller or even great games to begin with, most of them won't resonated with the casual gamers or general crowd, it's jsut a waste of money.
They need to find their next series that will put them back in the race, something huge, something big, something that resonated with casuals and core gamer à la Overwatch/GTA/Witcher etc...
The problem with Xbox is that they don't have any direction to follow, any goals, at this point, it's just a soulless PS4 with a smaller library and Scorpio will be a soulless PS4 pro with the same gap between their libraires.
One more thing, they need to find better head figure, Greenberg and Spencer aren't fitting the job.
They need to find their next series that will put them back in the race, something huge, something big, something that resonated with casuals and core gamer à la Overwatch/GTA/Witcher etc...
The problem with Xbox is that they don't have any direction to follow, any goals, at this point, it's just a soulless PS4 with a smaller library and Scorpio will be a soulless PS4 pro with the same gap between their libraires.
One more thing, they need to find better head figure, Greenberg and Spencer aren't fitting the job.
Spencer is fine, no need for more turmoil.
I'd have bought one for Nier if it didn't get a PC release. I'm sure there are a few thousand people like me. And a few thousands for each other well-received but relatively niche game. And maybe a few tens of thousands for a combination of them. I think they add up.
In the first two years or so after launch, I don't think anyone would argue that 360 didn't have an amazing and varied exclusive lineup. It was certainly superior to PS3 in that time period, at least in my book. JRPGs, WRPGs, shooters, even obscure Japanese space dogfighting games (Sylpheed), there was a lot of interesting exclusive stuff there.
Then it just dried up, and XB1 never even really got started in comparison to it.
It'll have games to play but they won't be exclusive to the console which is a problem. If you've already got a PC or Xbox One then there really isn't a need to buy a Scorpio.
My problem with the Scorpio is that MS seems to be selling it based on its technical power (4K, 6 TFLOPS, uncompressed pixels) rather than on the unique gameplay experiences it will offer. They've literally just marketed it as a more powerful Xbox One, and I don't really see how a more powerful Xbox One would help drive sales and help narrow the gap with Sony.
Bioshocker
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I was an Xbox and Xbox 360 gamer. I bought the first Xbox at launch and the 360 not that long after but waited almost two years to get an Xbox One. I feel Microsoft's console have stalled since then.
Rise of the Tomb Raider was a great time exclusive that I thouroughly enjoyed, Sunset Overdrive was a fun experiment (but not my thing), games like Ori and Forza Horizon 3 were amazing and Halo is... well, Halo. But Halo being Halo is not enough anymore. I buy most of the third party content for Xbox thanks to the controller but compared to PS4 Xbox One is really lacking in the exclusives department. What does Microsoft have to counter games like Uncharted, The Last of Us and Horizon?
I'll never sell my Xbox One (I always keep the consoles I buy), but I fear that I'll be using it more and more as a Blu-ray player for movies and less for games.
Rise of the Tomb Raider was a great time exclusive that I thouroughly enjoyed, Sunset Overdrive was a fun experiment (but not my thing), games like Ori and Forza Horizon 3 were amazing and Halo is... well, Halo. But Halo being Halo is not enough anymore. I buy most of the third party content for Xbox thanks to the controller but compared to PS4 Xbox One is really lacking in the exclusives department. What does Microsoft have to counter games like Uncharted, The Last of Us and Horizon?
I'll never sell my Xbox One (I always keep the consoles I buy), but I fear that I'll be using it more and more as a Blu-ray player for movies and less for games.
Skiptastic
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Do they? From a quick internet search, only Final Fantasy XV broke the top ten NPD in 2016.
If you want the best looking cross platform games and have any interest in Halo or Gears, you'll probably be interested in getting a Scorpio.
His idea of competing with Uncharted 4 was buying Tomb Raider as a holiday exclusive. Then doing the same with Dead Rising 4. Then going to Japan with a suitcase full of money to try and woo JPN devs. Don't get me started on his treatment of indies.
He continually doesn't get it. Or rather it might be MS that's keeping him from really doing anything much at all (such as building and cultivating some new studios).
Uno Venova
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I agree but we're basically going to have to wait until after E3, and then the conversation can get more realistic, and people can stop acting like E3 is going to be some magic pill to all of Microsoft's flaws.
R_thanatos
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It's not a joke . It'snot even about some concern.
Yeah it sells like shit but right now there is nothing "that" market wants.
Even when that tactics of having japanese games on the system wasn't fully working .i'd argue that they should have kept going in order to secure their foothold for the future. And they didn't.
So obviously the console is dead. They made some moves at the start and then they let go of all their hard work. And right now the die has been cast. They can't go back.
My understanding is as such. the console's dead in japan not because it can't be helped , but because it has no games to appeal that market and that sad state of affair is MS own fault. they should have kept going. The simple fact that they weren't able to prevent 3rd party to switch to PS3 means that they weren't doing good enough work
I don't disagree with you. But with Switch, people know they're getting a new Mario, Splatoon 2, Mario Kart, etc...games that can't be played elsewhere. With the One playing the same games as Scorpio, beefy computers playing the same games as Scorpio and Pro handling 3rd party games as well, I'm finding it hard to see the value prop they're making.
What did he do since he's at the head of the Xbox Division ?
Except OP and others are specifically speaking from the perspective of XBOX owners?
XBOX owners who aren't satisfied with current and projected software on the platform are concerned and hoping that the ship isn't as rudderless as it seems. Maybe dial back the persecution complex a bit.
cyber_ninja
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There's always next E3.
Microsoft have realize that they cant compete on exclusives against Sony. It will take years for them to build first party studios from scratch.So now they have turned their attention to the power argument with Scorpio's 6TF after basically telling people for the past 3 years that power doesn't matter and its all about the games. They have Basically turned to the gaming equivalent on who has the bigger Dic# argument. We should not expect nothing big from them at E3. Its gonna be very predictable. New Forza, Halo 6 teaser, maybe Gears story DLC, Sea of thieves and Carckdown ( All of which will be on PC too) and whatever few third party support they can buy. Probably the new Assasins Creed and EA. Then they will show Scorpio and tell the world to forget about the games and to look at how bigger their Dic# is than Sony. and hope and prey that gets them back in the game.
Isn't that pretty much the thesis of this thread though?
VincentMatts
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If they have big news, thats when we'll hear it. If they dont, then i guess well have to settle for 3rd party games that take advantage of Scorpio.
DeaconKnowledge
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There is no future for Microsoft. The PS3 and 360 only coincided because they were both muscling each other for position. Now that Microsoft has seemingly bowed out, there's no need at all to get one, unless you like Halo, Gears, and Forza.
MS sees the writing on the wall - DOA in Japan (and console business there overall declining rapidly) tepid in Europe, distinct disadvantage in North America. XBOX is in decline, and shy of a renewed focus on original content that arrives at a consistent clip there's no way to get get them out of this death spiral.
MS sees the writing on the wall - DOA in Japan (and console business there overall declining rapidly) tepid in Europe, distinct disadvantage in North America. XBOX is in decline, and shy of a renewed focus on original content that arrives at a consistent clip there's no way to get get them out of this death spiral.
people are saying "wait for E3" because Microsoft do this song and dance every year. There's very little to talk about between Jan-May then they announce a bunch of stuff at E3 and release games in Sep-Nov. This year it's even more true because of the next Windows update and a new console. Not saying it's a great idea but it's the way they've done it since the 360.
if E3 sucks and scorpio is $600 though then it's maybe worth asking what they're doing
Banjo-Kazooie
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His (implied) poor Treatment of indies? Gona need some receipts on that one because the releases have been more than steady and devs I talked to have had nothing but positive things to say about ID. I know you're a dev, but gona need some examples here that's prompting that comment
Sorry no, that's exactly the error in your thought process. It looks like Xbox in Japan CANNOT be helped. OG Xbox and 360 had Japanese exclusive games. Japanese games didn't help with declining console sales in general.
I think opening a sauna club in the middle of the Sahara has more chances to succed than making Xbox popular in Japan.
Release day parity was a concern for devs but I don't think it ever actually led to devs having a hard time releasing on the platform. Of course, that would require a dev to actually speak up. The only thing shitty I find about this gen is how xbox one is treated like second class citizen. it's basically the same as the PS3 last gen with indies. Spelunky, Super Meat Boy, Mark of the Ninja, Braid, the list goes on and on...these are all games that were 360/PC games for me. This gen Klei, Blow, Team Meat pretty much every decent dev that really made a name for themselves on 360 just release late on 360.
I don't understand why people are so excited for Scorpio. If I was a Xbox fan, I wouldn't feel like I got my money's worth out of my Xbox One so that I was ready to upgrade to a different console.
Honestly didn't feel like I got my money's worth out of PS4 too until this year.
Honestly didn't feel like I got my money's worth out of PS4 too until this year.