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[marrec]

Yeah, I'm sick of this. "Well if you really valued diversity, surely you'd include cannibals, nazis, and pedophiles, right?"

It's a disgusting perversion of what diversity means in order to claim victim status.

You guys, what are all the racists and baby-cannibals and puppy-fuckers and pineapple pizza lovers going to do if nobody will hire them because of their abhorrent views?

What, do you expect them to not express their opinions? I thought the left was tolerant.

 

[DrArchon]

Good. After the gene pool shit, I hope his sponsors are next. Burn it down.

Please. If his sponsors left him, he'd end up on Patreon with tons of idiots willing to throw money at him. We all know how this goes.

People are still defending him despite the revolting things he said. If anything they'll support him more if his sponsors bailed on him.

 

[Par Score]

All this "we have to be tolerant of intolerance" nonsense is what's gotten us where we are today, at some point false equivalence took over and now "being a racist" is treated like some kind of protected characteristic by some people.

If you are a loud, unrepentant, outspoken bigot then I would absolutely hope you wouldn't be able to find financial support. It's extremely unfortunate that there are plenty of people and places out there who will still happily support bigots, as we've seen time and again recently.

We have to fight bigotry, we have to fight racism. We do not have to coddle the assholes who spout this shit.

 

[JayWood2010]

People need to relax. The more you put a stinkeye on something, the more it will stink. That doesnt mean to ignore the problem, but you cant make everything into a problem. I feel like people are making things worst lately rather than better.

As for JonTron. Was listening to some of the things he said. He doesnt seem very educated on United States history. Irish people as an example were considered "White Negroes" in the United States for a long time. In america you were also determined for your "whiteness". Somehow JonTron believes this is a myth. Im not sure where he was going with in his views, but he should study things more if he wants to have a debate on stream that is very controversial.

Just to be clear, JonTron was wrong. Playtonic made the correct decision.

 

[hawk2025]

I don't agree with what JonTron said but I think he's a good voice actor so this sucks, but I guess they had to protect themselves.

Consider this:

You are more worried about good voice acting than racism -- even though you don't agree with him.

What does that say?

 

[marrec]

I don't agree with what JonTron said but I think he's a good voice actor so this sucks, but I guess they had to protect themselves.

Like, there's a lot of voice actors out there better than JonTron I think the game'll turn out fine.

 

[Easy_D]

You guys, what are all the racists and baby-cannibals and puppy-fuckers and pineapple pizza lovers going to do if nobody will hire them because of their abhorrent views?

What, do you expect them to not express their opinions? I thought the left was tolerant.

You're a monster. I can't let this hate parade against pineapple/ham pizza continue.

 

[MrCunningham]

No.

I don't think you would ever see James Rolfe get involved in stuff like this. He generally liked to keep his nose out of this stuff.

 

[Generalpsyduck]

Replace with Dunkey, plz?

He's actully doing work on a similar game called Spaghetti-Meatball.

 

[Drewboy64]

Good.

 

[PowerThroughLov]

Please. If his sponsors left him, he'd end up on Patreon with tons of idiots willing to throw money at him. We all know how this goes.

People are still defending him despite the revolting things he said. If anything they'll support him more if his sponsors bailed on him.

How many of those defending him / subbing him actually have any intention of watching his videos though? They may be 'supporting' him in subs only.

We will have to see.

 

[marrec]

People need to relax. The more you put a stinkeye on something, the more it will stink. That doesnt mean to ignore the problem, but you cant make everything into a problem. I feel like people are making things worst lately rather than better.

Racists not having a platform for racism = making things better

 

[RedAssedApe]

Good riddance.

 

[Ouroboros]

Wow, that didn't take long at all for a response!

 

[RootCause]

You guys, what are all the racists and baby-cannibals and puppy-fuckers and pineapple pizza lovers going to do if nobody will hire them because of their abhorrent views?

What, do you expect them to not express their opinions? I thought the left was tolerant

The mental hoops these people go through on daily bases is astounding.

 

[casey_contra]

That's because it does. Republicans have constantly done everything they can to keep people dumb. They've time and time again voted against anything that will improve education or bring it to a larger group of people. This is intentional too. The easiest way to control someone is by keeping them uneducated. If they don't develop critical thinking skills or just learn history then they can't call you out on your bullshit. Hence why our education in this country is atrocious.

I agree with a lot of your points, but I also think you are dismissing conversation and opinions from people who may be republican and conservative but also have more informed and benevolent opinions and are willing to have educated discussion about that. Here's what I put on the last page.

"Ugh, I feel for all of the more conservative folks whose ability to have rational and productive conversation is limited by this vocal minority or racists and bigots with an "all or nothing" mentality.

Those of us who may be a little more liberal skewed are in an environment where a lot of our opinions and validated and challenged respectfully, whereas people on the conservative front are being represented by clowns like JonTron and Trump.

If anyone's speech is being limited it's the level-headed conservatives... and the ones limited it aren't the "oversensitive PC" folks... it's people like JT who are creating such strong, negative associations. "

Not tryna come after you, but I just don't want the racists and extremists to inhibit good conversations from both sides.

 

[Telephone Man]

People need to relax. The more you put a stinkeye on something, the more it will stink. That doesnt mean to ignore the problem, but you cant make everything into a problem. I feel like people are making things worst lately rather than better.

Not really. It was a problem and they solved it. This thread is just the aftermath that won't mean much in a week.

 

[Mahonay]

Great move by the devs. Fuck JonTron and his abhorrent beliefs. There should be zero tolerance for this kind of stuff.

 

[CannonFodder52]

I really hope they don't lose too many sales.

 

[-Ryn]

But, if "just having a guy do voices for you game" means that people won't buy it and it will affect your bottom line and ability to continue making great content then the answer to remove it is simple.

I'm willing to make the gamble that the amount of people who would actually revoke a purchase because of JonTron is negligible at worst. People consume all forms of media regardless of who is involved on a daily basis. I don't see why video games are so special.

They could just not want a racist sullying their game that they worked hard on.

They probably also don't want to be associated with a racist dickhead.

Is anything he contributed to the game racist? Probably not. Most people probably either won't know or won't care about a random VA's opinion outside of the game.

Are you really this dense? Companies have reputations that are defined by the people they employ. I would have fired his ass from my project team in a heartbeat.

Do you honestly think that sales would've been noticeably impacted by them having JonTron in the game?

Clearly that's what the creators wanted to avoid yes. Don't even know why you're upset, it's their content.

Having a racist do voices for their game certainly wouldn't help sell units.

Something has been taken away from this game because people are screaming racist Nazi about a guy and the company wants to save face despite it not actually being something they realistically need to worry about. Of course it's their game. That doesn't mean I support the decision to cave to nonsense.

 

[Jonneh3003]

People seriously seem to be supporting JonTron with this, I put up a Tweet and quickly got the reply "they're gonna have one when they take a big fat L on this one".

Why? JonTron was never a big part of Yooka Laylee and I'm sure people interested in the game won't magically lose interest over this. I'm glad I won't have to hear his voice after all this.

 

[marrec]

I really hope they don't lose too many sales.

Please, the 13 y/o kids who defend and support JonTron don't have money to buy Video Games anyway.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Maybe it's just coincidence but why are a lot of people who support stupid shit like Jontron on twitter sporting anime avatars? Support white supremacy but I love Japanese animation wtf?!

 

[ShironRedshift]

People need to relax. The more you put a stinkeye on something, the more it will stink. That doesnt mean to ignore the problem, but you cant make everything into a problem. I feel like people are making things worst lately rather than better.

Yeah, no. I'm very fine with a person who thinks immigrants are diluting the gene pool and that blacks are genetically predisposed to be criminal being a problem. Because it definitely is one, and those type of beliefs should be given no quarter.

 

[Messofanego]

As a former (non-american, non-white) JonTron fan, the last couple of months have been like a bad soap opera plot twist.

He went from funny, charismatic geek youtuber to full misogynistic, racist piece of shit in the blink of an eye.

Cool thing Playtonic removed him, any racist person profiting from global youtube views deserves the Hulk Hogan treatment.

I stopped being a Jontron fan in 2014.

 

[calavera_jo]

hahahahaha, this one is good.

Playtonic is British lol

Pretty sure it's not called the 1st Amendment there

 

[joecanada]

You guys, what are all the racists and baby-cannibals and puppy-fuckers and pineapple pizza lovers going to do if nobody will hire them because of their abhorrent views?

What, do you expect them to not express their opinions? I thought the left was tolerant.

Hey have you never heard of salty/sweet combos or what ? Or acid with sweet ? I suppose you also hate honey roasted peanuts and coleslaw on pulled pork, monster . I can't wait to send people like you to reeducation centers .

 

[L Thammy]

There's no actual voice acting in the game though, just seems to be grunts ala original Banjo.

So not sure what to make of it all, and why they would approach 'voice talent' to begin with.

I mean you put grunting and hardcore conservatives together and you just get Tim Allen. Is that something we really need

 

[BajiBoxer]

Ugh, I feel for all of the more conservative folks whose ability to have rational and productive conversation is limited by this vocal minority or racists and bigots with an "all or nothing" mentality.

Those of us who may be a little more liberal skewed are in an environment where a lot of our opinions and validated and challenged respectfully, whereas people on the conservative front are being represented by clowns like JonTron and Trump.

If anyone's speech is being limited it's the level-headed conservatives... and the ones limited it aren't the "oversensitive PC" folks... it's people like JT who are creating such strong, negative associations.

I don't feel the least bit sorry for them. Except for a tiny number of well meaning libertarians, conservative voting and platforms have been bigoted on a fundamental level. Trump representing some vocal minority of conservatives is not anywhere close to accurate. Extremely large majorities of conservatives voted for Trump and overwhelmingly approve of his job performance. This is something the conservative movement has been actively building towards for decades.

 

[marrec]

Something has been taken away from this game because people are screaming racist Nazi about a guy and the company wants to save face despite it not actually being something they realistically need to worry about. Of course it's their game. That doesn't mean I support the decision to cave to nonsense.

This is the same dumb shit argument people levy on "censorship" of games.

Unless you sat in the meeting where they made the decision you're just spouting dumbass fantasies, strawmen you wanna knockdown cause in reality you want people to be able to say awful shit without consequence.

You don't know how it went down so keep your dreams to yourself.

 

[shadow_shogun]

I really hope they don't lose too many sales.

This is what I'm afraid of, it seems a lot of "gamers" share the same views with JonTron.

 

[FRS1987]

I'm glad to be honest. No one should be associated with such negativity. I'm actually surprised he even has defenders, at what point do his "fans" draw the line? I admit I really enjoyed his content in the past before any of this came to light but, I can't find myself to enjoy any of his content anymore because of how uncomfortable his opinions have become, or have always been. I'm usually one who separates someone's work form their personal life but I can't in this instance for once.

 

[CannonFodder52]

Maybe it's just coincidence but why are a lot of people who support stupid shit like Jontron on twitter sporting anime avatars? Support white supremacy but I love Japanese animation wtf?!

They are potentially more likely to be reclusive. Less likely to meet a larger demographic of people. Easier to be indoctrinated. IMO

No offence to anyone who likes anime. I like some anime too.

Edit: also 4chan users are more likely to have anime avatars too.

 

[Mahonay]

Something has been taken away from this game because people are screaming racist Nazi about a guy and the company wants to save face despite it not actually being something they realistically need to worry about. Of course it's their game. That doesn't mean I support the decision to cave to nonsense.

Standing firmly against pseudo Neo-Nazis is caving into nonsense? Sorry but no. It's more like common sense.

 

[Erv]

Very glad to hear this. I only know the jist of the drama. Anyone have a link to what he said?

 

[Angel Whispers]

Isn't he the guy who is always on GameXplain discussion videos? He never comes across as this vitriolic there.

If you mean TheBitBlock, he has form and history.

 

[Mat-triX]

Maybe it's just coincidence but why are a lot of people who support stupid shit like Jontron on twitter sporting anime avatars? Support white supremacy but I love Japanese animation wtf?!

You know who allied with the Nazi? The Japanese. I have a friend who seriously debates with me that anime characters are actually white.

 

[Messofanego]

This is what I'm afraid of, it seems a lot of "gamers" share the same views with JonTron.

It's better that white supremacist supporting gamers won't be playing Yooka-Laylee

 

[PancakeBurglar]

Good to hear, JonTron needs to understand that his shitty views aren't without consequences.

 

[casey_contra]

I'm willing to make the gamble that the amount of people who would actually revoke a purchase because of JonTron is negligible at worst. People consume all forms of media regardless of who is involved on a daily basis. I don't see why video games are so special.

I agree it might be a small number... but even if it's 100 people, multiple that by $40 and you get $4,000 in revenue. I'm guessing the development cost in terms of man hours is much less than $4,000 so it's easily justified.

Then combine that with any potential future sales losses by people who refuse to buy anything from Playtonic and add in the additional sales from people who see this and think "wow, I want to support this company" and it's a no-brainer.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Something has been taken away from this game because people are screaming racist Nazi about a guy and the company wants to save face despite it not actually being something they realistically need to worry about. Of course it's their game. That doesn't mean I support the decision to cave to nonsense.

If the game would not face any actual issues if they left it then what makes you think they caved to people and didn't just go, "man fuck that guy, we don't want his credits in our game"?

Not that I think this is none sense. Gaming has a racism problem. Developers and publishers need to put their foot down stop this bullshit. Not play the passive "if we say nothing we didnt pick a side" bullshit.

 

[Skyzard]

Thank you, Playtonic.

It was going to be uncomfortable knowing he's in the game after his views became quite widely known and before the game released.

Playtonic is a studio that celebrates diversity in all forms and strives to make games that everyone can enjoy. As such, we deeply regret any implied association that could make players feel anything but 100% comfortable in our game worlds, or distract from the incredible goodwill and love shown by our fans and Kickstarter backers.

That was the issue for me. Especially considering the style of the game.

Learning from the other thread that Jontron was a big fan of their games and made popular videos about them and Playtonic still coming through like this is really awesome of them.

I'm looking forward to the game even more now because of this tbh and am extra proud to have kickstarted.

Kudos.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Nobody cares that Playtonic's website is down?

I hope it's not due to troublemakers.

 

[L Thammy]

Credit to Alex the Assassin. He slayed me with that Tweet.

Not going to lie, the No More Heroes theme was running through my head when I saw that tweet.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Actually sort of amazed at the responses on his subreddit.

 

[emilioasis]

All this "we have to be tolerant of intolerance" nonsense is what's gotten us where we are today, at some point false equivalence took over and now "being a racist" is treated like some kind of protected characteristic by some people.

If you are a loud, unrepentant, outspoken bigot then I would absolutely hope you wouldn't be able to find financial support. It's extremely unfortunate that there are plenty of people and places out there who will still happily support bigots, as we've seen time and again recently.

We have to fight bigotry, we have to fight racism. We do not have to coddle the assholes who spout this shit.

absolutely right

 

[Zakalwe]

I'm willing to make the gamble that the amount of people who would actually revoke a purchase because of JonTron is negligible at worst. People consume all forms of media regardless of who is involved on a daily basis. I don't see why video games are so special.



Is anything he contributed to the game racist? Probably not. Most people probably either won't know or won't care about a random VA's opinion outside of the game.


Do you honestly think that sales would've been noticeably impacted by them having JonTron in the game?


Something has been taken away from this game because people are screaming racist Nazi about a guy and the company wants to save face despite it not actually being something they realistically need to worry about. Of course it's their game. That doesn't mean I support the decision to cave to nonsense.

It's not "caving to nonsense".

Did you even read/listen to the shit Jon said? Do you not understand that the majority of companies would fire you for that?

 

[fester]

I'm willing to make the gamble that the amount of people who would actually revoke a purchase because of JonTron is negligible at worst. People consume all forms of media regardless of who is involved on a daily basis. I don't see why video games are so special.



Is anything he contributed to the game racist? Probably not. Most people probably either won't know or won't care about a random VA's opinion outside of the game.


Do you honestly think that sales would've been noticeably impacted by them having JonTron in the game?


Something has been taken away from this game because people are screaming racist Nazi about a guy and the company wants to save face despite it not actually being something they realistically need to worry about. Of course it's their game. That doesn't mean I support the decision to cave to nonsense.

You used a lot of words to defend a racist.

 

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[benicillin]

You'd think after all the times Jon "rich blacks commit more crime than poor whites, it's a fact look it up" Tron has been snubbed by creators he admires that he'd do more self-reflection.