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The loss of Obamacare would be like a death sentence but theyd vote for Trump again
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It is really not a suggestion anymore. Their plan, Trumps plan was, as Tator put it, terrible. Its simply the reality.
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"I'd rather die than vote Democrat". Just make it the official GOP slogan, already.
That's how deeply the irrational hate has taken root. Nothing can make them admit they're wtong. Not Democrats literally voting to save their lives, not Republicans literally voting to kill them.
That's how deeply the irrational hate has taken root. Nothing can make them admit they're wtong. Not Democrats literally voting to save their lives, not Republicans literally voting to kill them.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Obriencare.
Fuck, you guys are bringing me downI'm trying my best to be optimistic, despite everything. This conversation is about to bring me to tears lol.
Welcome to reality.
I remember hearing about this, but I forget the details.
I heard it on a radio program, but it had to do with Republicans doing something that caused providers to bail those specific states. Which ended up drive up costs.
I know that the ACA is not perfect, but damn if there were actions that might have made it worse for some people.
Fuck, you guys are bringing me down
your post history is even sadder
i don't even have to energy to re-post every time you've tried to pull this manipulative garbage
i give up
MegaManTrigger
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The thing is the Republicans have already made their intent known. The bigger question is why not enough people are calling out their nonsense (wanting more conservatism in healthcare when Obamacare was a decent compromise for both Democrats and Republicans)? All Obamacare needed was a tweak in terms of prices being out of control, but Trump and the Republicans opted for the nuclear option. Hoping that they will do something positive is foolish tbh.
Fuck, you guys are bringing me down
No one here is bringing you down, you need to be way more realistic. Optimism works when there's a body of work that justifies said optimism. I mean with what the Republicans are doing, being optimistic that they will do something positive is like being optimistic that a losing team in the NFL/NBA will win the championship. And that's not a rational stance at all.
Some ppl are single issue voters . I'm guilty of it myself in India I vote congress cause I can't stand the current ruling party's hindutva stance . Economically and geopolitics wise tho were often better off with the current party in most other regards .
they made their beds and are willfully willing to die in it than make better choices
seriously, it comes to the fact that
They are the real victims in this, and they are now being held hostage by idiots.
lol yeah. wonder if changing avatars is his way of getting people to forget not to take him seriously
The Reps at my job already pushing the "Its gonna implode any day now! LOL" bullshit while ignoring the fact their party couldn't do their job and come up with a better alternative.
Nope, lets all point to Obama for causing this mess. I can only tell them in my mind to get fucked.
Nope, lets all point to Obama for causing this mess. I can only tell them in my mind to get fucked.
The main problem is the amount of innocents that would be thrown under the bus long before it's "their turn", along with all of the other people who voted for Trump.
If you ever find a way to fix that problem and let them suffer on their own til they get a clue (or don't and die off), please let me know.
I remembered him. Guess the "Power of Positivity" compelled me to be stupid enough to interact.
Unknown One
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The problem isn't that we are letting them, it's that they are voluntarily killing themselves off.
Honestly the world would be better off.
As a Californian, I can tell you that it's frustrating. So many great people here who want good things for people but we get thrown in the same pot as the idiots who enabled Trump.they made their beds and are willfully willing to die in it than make better choices
seriously, it comes to the fact that
They are the real victims in this, and they are now being held hostage by idiots.
Sorry I think differently than you, Fat4all. You're actually one of my favorite posters so that blows.
What I don't get is why Americans are so afraid of socialist ideas at this point
I mean when Russia was staring down the barrel of an ICBM silo at Washington DC, sure. That's an existential threat that had "Socialist" in it's name, at the time. Maybe not rational, but I understand that on an emotional level.
But now Conservatives apparently want to be BFFs with Russia. Everyone likes to bitch about the 1%, who are only getting richer. Europe is doing okay (well, the parts of it that are productive in the first place are) and they lean a lot more socialist than the US.
The threat of socialism as a movement was halfway a joke back when people were terrified of the USSR. Now? Is it just... refusing to learn? Are the people who were paying to frame socialism as "totally unfair and actually 100% evil" getting a bigger return on their investment than anyone ever imagined? Or does no one understand what socialist is, and it's just another buzzword for political sports rivalry that is pure tribalism with no logical basis?
I mean when Russia was staring down the barrel of an ICBM silo at Washington DC, sure. That's an existential threat that had "Socialist" in it's name, at the time. Maybe not rational, but I understand that on an emotional level.
But now Conservatives apparently want to be BFFs with Russia. Everyone likes to bitch about the 1%, who are only getting richer. Europe is doing okay (well, the parts of it that are productive in the first place are) and they lean a lot more socialist than the US.
The threat of socialism as a movement was halfway a joke back when people were terrified of the USSR. Now? Is it just... refusing to learn? Are the people who were paying to frame socialism as "totally unfair and actually 100% evil" getting a bigger return on their investment than anyone ever imagined? Or does no one understand what socialist is, and it's just another buzzword for political sports rivalry that is pure tribalism with no logical basis?
Your best solution then for affordability is a non-starter for the GOP and many neoliberals: the public option.
Get the Socialist flags ready, because this not only has to eventually happen on the grounds of humanism for citizens, but it's the only way to accomplish what you want, too.
Be outraged at a culture that emphasizes the self at the expense of the other, or the private gains over the wellbeing of the public. This way of thinking, which infects the GOP, is the real obstacle.
It's precisely what stops us from humane healthcare, acceptable education, and eventually/ultimately, an assured minimum income. All of these sound like rosey feelgoods because of how violent and corroded our culture is.
kill your heroes
Dude Abides
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The ACA is not actually collapsing. That's just a GOP talking point. They'll probably try their hardest to ensure it does, though!
http://www.npr.org/2017/03/27/521441490/fact-check-trump-says-obamacare-is-exploding-its-not
http://www.npr.org/2017/03/27/521441490/fact-check-trump-says-obamacare-is-exploding-its-not
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Oh, indeed they are. And what are the most popular single issues for GOP voters?
1. Abortion. Despite the fact that the proven (and only) effective method of reducing the number of abortions is the Democrat's plan of providing proper sex education. Republicans are dead set against sex education, and think outlawing abortion (and sex outside of marriage) is the answer. They're 100% in the wrong on this issue, and yet it's a top one for them.
2. Gun ownership. GOP voters get stirred up by the NRA touting Democrats' plan to "come fer ma guns". There is no such plan. And they think gun ownership prevents gun violence - completely not true, again.
We could go on all day, issue after issue. The GOP position, on so many, is objectively wrong, completely at odds with all available facts and data. Which is why they are so often in favor of suppressing data. It's a social disease.
Isn't it just the damndest thing when Republicans gut and fuck with Obamacare in order to break it, just so they can tell you that its collapsing?
"Hah look at this arch, can't even stand after we've removed the keystone, what a piece of shit! If we got the chance we'd make a way better arch!!!"
*gets the chance after 7 years*
*gives up after 18 days*
"Good luck with the wreckage you poor fucks!"
It's almost as if they don't give a fuck about you or I.
Political tribalism is killing this country. For many, it's less "this party represents my views" and more "fuck the other guys". It's like sports, but rather than being fun it's, you know, real world consequences. I'm a Democrat because they're the closest to my views not because I hold some allegiance to them pr something.
The Last Wizard
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Oh shit lmfao
This. Sucks that by letting asshats like this die we let a lot of people who don't deserve or die as well.
that's the only problem as far as I'm concerned.
If a gaggle of Trump supporting troglodytes (who so maliciously ignorant to the point of having no self-preservation) want to run off a cliff to their demise, I'd be like:
Dude Abides
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That is the Republican way. When out of power, run on the message that government doesn't work. When in power, do everything they can to make it so.
Everyone hopes that but their attempt at something better just got aborted on the House floor. Their something better was grotesquely worse in a hilariously sad way.
Haunted
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It's comical. The GOP are real life cartoon villains.
This TatorTots person is learning that it's very much more difficult to be paid to sway liberals than it is to be paid to sway conservatives. Why? Facts. This poster should be asking 10 times the salary (and negotiate from there) to post on GAF because that's how the free market works, right?
KernelPanic
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People would rather be dead than be wrong
Leona Lewis
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Yep. These idiots hate a black man more than they love their foot.
ronaldthump
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so.. darwinism?
stupid people who vote against their own personal interest (and are aware of it as these people are) deserves no sympathy.
stupid people who vote against their own personal interest (and are aware of it as these people are) deserves no sympathy.
EdibleKnife
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Yeah. This is the new go to example for the "empathize" set. I don't know how to empathize with or change the mind of someone who is willing to die for the sake of lies and hatred. Once you get to that point, an argument with a liberal on the internet, a desperate bid for compromising I'd like trying to push back a hurricane with your bare hands
Tribalism mixed with propaganda is a deadly cocktail.
FinaruDensetsu
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Cause it's more important to hate minorities, gays, basically anyone non-Christian. Seeing your family member die before your eyes is acceptable collateral damage.
hydragonwarrior
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In cases like these, it may be only when shit seriously hits the fan that they may finally question voting Trump or letting go of a Republican ideology.
I'm wondering in retrospect if it would have been better if Trumpcare actually did pass, and then the after effects of it leading to a grand sweep of dems in the WH. But who knows, I have no faith in dems winning anything atm even when the odds are on their side.
And to add, one of your biggest causes here is how freedom of speech is abused so readily to spread rightwing propaganda and it going unchecked.
I'm wondering in retrospect if it would have been better if Trumpcare actually did pass, and then the after effects of it leading to a grand sweep of dems in the WH. But who knows, I have no faith in dems winning anything atm even when the odds are on their side.
And to add, one of your biggest causes here is how freedom of speech is abused so readily to spread rightwing propaganda and it going unchecked.
AstroNut325
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How do we get these people to understand? Based on the article, it seems like quite a few Republicans are starting to think that healthcare is a right. Why not support a candidate that will work towards getting us there?
EdibleKnife
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I'm certain if it did pass the dead and dying Republican constitutents would still be placated by Obama or minority-blaming rhetoric. The mentality they possess forbids them from being wrong or taking responsibility for a mistake
Because supporting such a candidate also means supporting other things based in fact and reality such as women's health, sex education, minority and LGBTQ+ rights and equality, religious equality (& the end of our pseudo-Christian theocracy), reduction of military spending to a reasonable level and climate/nature protection (meaning the phasing out of coal/crude based jobs).
Actually, Nixon was in negotiations with Senator Ted Kennedy to have something that could have became comprehensive health care in the 1970s. If I remember correctly, Kennedy rejected the deal because it wasn't comprehensive enough, and he thought he could get a better deal under a Democratic president. He later said it was one if his biggest regrets.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/06/22/stockman/bvg57mguQxOVpZMmB1Mg2N/story.html
I wish I could understand such sentiments, but I really can't.
Instead of letting people die off or even suggesting they deserve it, how about working harder to improve education so that these voters can make more educated choices? I know there are roadblocks along the way, but damn, I will never understand gloating about the likely/eventual deaths of others. They are still human beings however misguided they may be.
If you don't want to deal with them directly or reason with them, or think they can't be reasoned with, fine. That doesn't mean there aren't other avenues to work towards improvement. Push harder on education or ways to get people out of the rural hell so many live in and maybe they'll start to open up a bit and see the world in a different light.
Just because things are a circus right now (to say the least), don't let it take your humanity in the process.
OG Shaka Zulu
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LOL.
Poltergust
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Fuck, you guys are bringing me down
Republicans have as much of a chance passing pro-LGBT legislation as they do passing universal healthcare reform, i.e. absolutely none.
You're trying to cling to a possibility that cannot exist because it would run against everything the Republican party stands for. By failing to understand this, you are only hurting yourself instead of facing reality. In a sense, you're no different from the people of this story because you refuse to acknowledge what Republicans actually want.
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