Not sure if it hurts the sales or not, this game is for persona fans, so they will buy it.
And honestly, with the recent events on "popular youtubers", i think they are a dying breed, not to mention the group of youtubers that would actually want to stream p5
This is fucked up but refunding the game seems like an extreme overreaction.
It's super irritating when a trophy pops up and the game has to tell you it can't even do the automated trophy screenshot.
No it's not, i'm voting with my wallet on an asinine decision that i don't agree on... it's pretty standard procedure actually.
This is embarrassing and counter productive.
After watching 20+ hours of the endurance run I bought
Persona 3
Persona 3 portable
Persona 1 on psp
Persona 2 on psp
Persona Q
Persona arena
Persona 4
Persona 4 golden
Persona 5
Not to mention I bought other SMT/Atlus games I had never heard of or would have bothered to try like 2 ds games, and 2 3ds games.
If Atlus acted like this with Persona 4 they would have several hundred less of my dollars.
Wah wah. I can't stream!
...How did you survive the past... 7-8 generations?
I get what you are saying but I really doubt they would correlate any dip in sales to their streaming policy..
I'm not buying any SEGA stuff until this is fixed
I'm not buying any SEGA stuff until this is fixed
No it's not, i'm voting with my wallet on an asinine decision that i don't agree on... it's pretty standard procedure, actually it should be more widespread.
A lot of popular streamers I follow are not only gonna avoid streaming it now but they'll also point out how awful this policy is and people who could be interested and buy the game will not bother anymore.
I've seen so many people buy a game based on seeing it on stream. It's not like they watch the whole LP anyway. They watch the first hour or so and if it interests them, they'll pick it up. People who don't plan on buying it at all won't ever buy it anyway.
I'm not buying any SEGA stuff until this is fixed
Wah wah. I can't stream!
...How did you survive the past... 7-8 generations?
You know, Atlus will obviously be monitoring this on twitch. So I was thinking it would be a pretty funny protest (and a way better one than posting spoilers) if everyone would name their stream "Persona 5" and then stream a different game. Can you imagine having to go through 1000+ streams all named "Persona 5" under many different games for 90% of them not to be Persona?
#EveryNameStreamPersona or some shit
Then how do people find actual streams of Persona 5? Seems like this would only be helping them.
Nya now that I had some time to think about it...I've watched whole games on Twitch and Youtube and never bothered to buy them after that. Why would I if I experienced a story driven game? I can see that reason to be honest and Persona 5 lives from both sites (dungeon gameplay and story), but Atlus allows you to stream the dungeon gameplay.
Atlus at least is warning everybody that they will content id your shit on Youtube, where as Bamco just gave me a warning for Berseria (which is also not streamable over PS4).
Also funny that on NeoGAF there is always the suggestion for newcomers when a sequel releases that they should just watch a summary of the cutscenes on Youtube...
I would understand this complaint for a film, but for a game? I doubt there are significant amounts of people who only watch a game, and I definitely doubt this subset would even offset the group of people who get convinced by a let's play to try it themselves.
i mean this is already an aged discussion, most publisher have given up to restrict people from streaming, but i still believe, as a creator of content, it is your right to NOT let people stream your content.
this is their content, and they(Atlus) can deal with it the way they please.
i find it hardly acceptable how everyone demands free content on youtube.
i know a bunch of people who stopped buying games because everyone is now available on twitch/YT.
i dont even know how that is even enjoyable. i only watch trailers, but for them, youtube/twitch as their way of getting the immersion of the game is enough. i find this heartbreaking seeing people "playing" games like this. but then again, its the right of the streamers and the right of the watchers if they want to do it like that.
what i find really disgusting is the fact, when people start to shit on companies, who dont actually want their contents to be shared. if you create music, videos, games, and everything is shared for free online, i dont think that you are amused about the fact that you are not earning a penny.
yes, there are games which get a lot of revenue thanks to streamers/YT'ers, but those games are MP-focused. and this is what a lot of people dont understand.
i find it hardly acceptable how everyone demands free content on youtube.
i know a bunch of people who stopped buying games because everyone is now available on twitch/YT.
Nya now that I had some time to think about it...I've watched whole games on Twitch and Youtube and never bothered to buy them after that. Why would I if I experienced a story driven game? I can see that reason to be honest and Persona 5 lives from both sites (dungeon gameplay and story), but Atlus allows you to stream the dungeon gameplay.
Atlus at least is warning everybody that they will content id your shit on Youtube, where as Bamco just gave me a warning for Berseria (which is also not streamable over PS4).
Also funny that on NeoGAF there is always the suggestion for newcomers when a sequel releases that they should just watch a summary of the cutscenes on Youtube...
Sorry but this excuse of "people watch and don't buy" doesn't work, you ignore that the opposite is also true, i've seen lots of (single player since that's all i play) games from start to finish online then got out and bought them... games that i wouldn't have never considered before.i mean this is already an aged discussion, most publisher have given up to restrict people from streaming, but i still believe, as a creator of content, it is your right to NOT let people stream your content.
this is their content, and they(Atlus) can deal with it the way they please.
i find it hardly acceptable how everyone demands free content on youtube.
i know a bunch of people who stopped buying games because everyone is now available on twitch/YT.
Sorry but this excuse of "people watch and don't buy" doesn't work, you ignore that the opposite is also true, i've seen lots of (single player since that's all i play) games from start to finish online then got out and bought them... games that i wouldn't have never considered before.
Even though many people have proven that is bullshit? Why is Undertale so well regarded in the gaming zeitgeist? Life is Strange? Oxenfree even?
Come on, stop with this. There have been success stories of single player, story based games succeeding on the backs of streamers.
But why would I buy a singleplayer story driven game after having seen the whole game?
Yeah multiplayer games or games where your decisions change things for your story. But why would I buy a singleplayer story driven game after having seen the whole game? But I am also kind of a person that doesn't rewatch series and movies because there is so much content out there to consume.
This is all so Giant Bomb has exclusive rights obv
btw wasn't the P4 Endurance Run like way after it came out
Because what you see looks enjoyable and you want to enjoy it too? Did I really need to explain this?
In any case we are in 2017 and policies like this are idiotic, draconian and backwards, there is no single redeeming factor for neither the parts involved.
Yeah multiplayer games or games where your decisions change things for your story. But why would I buy a singleplayer story driven game after having seen the whole game? But I am also kind of a person that doesn't rewatch series and movies because there is so much content out there to consume.
It is weird how some people are acting like this is a full blown ban rather than past a certain section.But there's trailers and video reviews so you can see how the game looks and plays even without full playthroughs.
Because what you see looks enjoyable and you want to enjoy it too? Did I really need to explain this?
In any case we are in 2017 and policies like this are idiotic, draconian and backwards, there is no single redeeming factor for neither the parts involved.
It is weird how some people are acting like this is a full blown ban rather than past a certain section.
But in this hypothetical scenario, the streamer is the one who introduces the game to the person.But there's trailers and video reviews so you can see how the game looks and plays even without full playthroughs.
But there's trailers and video reviews so you can see how the game looks and plays even without full playthroughs.
But there is. But not on the whole game, so scenarios where people watch streams and buy the game will still happen even though people are acting like it's impossible now.There should be no restriction once it's released.
Ironic. A game about people who look to change the world is being micromanaged in a draconian manner by the publisher of said game.
Doesn't matter though. Game will sell. Reviews are out. They won't feel any real negative impact from this.
But there is. But not on the whole game, so scenarios where people watch streams and buy the game will still happen even though people are acting like it's impossible now.
But there is. But not on the whole game, so scenarios where people watch streams and buy the game will still happen even though people are acting like it's impossible now.
There are streams right now, and part 1's on youtube with tens of thousands of views.Why would streamers even show this game now? They could just go with some other good game that isn't trying to normalize policies that attack their livelihood.
But in this hypothetical scenario, the streamer is the one who introduces the game to the person.
I don't think you understand how people find games these days.
I've played 5 hours and I'm still in the first month, I'm sure 7/7 is plenty of time.Yeah, I have no idea how far into the game that 7/7 is, but I guess people can still stream for several hours, maybe even ten? Do streamers typically do full playthroughs of single-player games? I admitted in my earlier post that I'm bit out of touch with these things since I don't have kids of my own and I'm still sticking to reviews, articles and discussions myself to get information about a game. But I'm well aware that people buy games because of streamers, I partly blame popular streamers for the oversaturation of that crafting and survival shit in Steam. Those wouldn't sell that well based on reviews, but giving out free codes to streamers guarantees atleast some sales.