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Marvel's Iron Fist |OT| Hi-yahh - March 17th on Netflix

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Dynomutt

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KonradLaw said:
I really think it was simply showrunner not caring enough to give the team enough resources.
Because it's obvious the team cared. Iron Fist's fights are far more varied and inventive than anything other Netflix show has done. The team obviously had put as lot of thought and imagination into planning them. So it's hard to believe they would then drop the ball on actual delivery if they weren't forced to by circumstances.
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Naw, I am going to respectfully disagree as a fan of martial arts films/shows. The show was called "Iron Fist" powers or now he is the Immortal Fist. At no time did Danny Rand appear threatening of even close to it until that feat at the end only to be saved by
Ward
. What were they doing in K'un-Lun?

I understand not showing us the dragon but why did we not get a wide shot like this:
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It's not an origin story as he already has the fist. The fight scenes were passable for a action tv show but for a super hero who's power is based in martial arts come on they were absolutely terrible.

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What the fuck is this rolling on the ground shit.

Have you seen Legend of the Drunk Master?
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DD has far more acrobatic and even when not being acrobatic the impact level is so much higher. The fact the the martial arts performed by Hundred Eyes in a show not about him tells me they wanted to get this show out just to to satisfy Danny as a Defender.

Come on, They couldn't get FInn to get the Wushu movements down or the stunt double to do at least this...?
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Netflix/Marvel slipped up on this one. They can certainly bounce back but this was such a missed chance to really establish Iron Fist as a kick as hero.

Don't get me started on Sonny!
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He would have drove Colleen's sword through Danny saying...
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Jest Chillin

Member
vsaintlo said:
Naw, I am going to respectfully disagree as a fan of martial arts films/shows....
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This is the type of stuff I'm talking about.

The Drunken Style depiction in Iron Fist is damn good. Comparing it to Jackie Chan who, again, has a dedicated fight team with decades of experience, shows an unreasonable expectation.
 
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Volimar

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LotusHD said:
This will just always be funny to me because when we get into discussions concerning casting a minority, there's always that person(s) asking what hypothetical minority actor would be right for the job. And as it turns out, the people behind the casting had one fall right into their lap, and decided not to go for it.

As has been already stated, the show as it is now wouldn't have become magically amazing, but at least we would had a better Iron Fist by the look of things.
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Maybe if it were Bruce Lee, but you're not going to get good fighting from anyone else if you only give them 15 minutes before shooting to prepare. I don't blame that on Finn at all.

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This is actually lore appropriate. Danny was the worst of the Immortal Weapons. It's kind of a running joke.
 
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Dynomutt

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Volimar said:
Maybe if it were Bruce Lee, but you're not going to get good fighting from anyone else if you only give them 15 minutes before shooting to prepare. I don't blame that on Finn at all.

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This is actually lore appropriate. Danny was the worst of the Immortal Weapons. It's kind of a running joke.
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Yes very important! Not blaming Finn completely he could have been more enthusiastic but again it comes down to the show runners.
 
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LotusHD

Banned
Volimar said:
Maybe if it were Bruce Lee, but you're not going to get good fighting from anyone else if you only give them 15 minutes before shooting to prepare. I don't blame that on Finn at all.

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This is actually lore appropriate. Danny was the worst of the Immortal Weapons. It's kind of a running joke.
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I'm not talking about just his martial arts experience, but meh whatever. What's done is done.

Also ya gotta use this:

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Danny's face at the end just kills me lol
 
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MHWilliams

Member
KonradLaw said:
That character would be utterly destroyed by being asian american.
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Nah, but I've take care of that argument far too many times before now.

Volimar said:
This is actually lore appropriate. Danny was the worst of the Immortal Weapons. It's kind of a running joke.
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It's a shame that they took "worse of the Immortal Weapons" to mean "can't fight basic guards" in the show.

darkhunger said:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/people-quickly-losing-interest-iron-213200854.html

More recent statistics suggest that it has less legs compared to other Marvel Netflix shows though. Apparently there was a big drop off after the first week.

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I mean, it seemed like a slam dunk and it was coming off the good reception of previous shows. Same thing happens in films, the preceding project gives a boost to the next. Shame they whiffed.
 
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Spikematic

Member
I really hope they go all out on the fight choreography for The Defenders and Iron Fist Season 2 (which we hopefully get with a new showrunner and writing group). Can't they get the guys who did the fights for Marco Polo? The kung fu in that was awesome. But yeah, more kung fu, less boardroom shit please.
 
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BaasRed

Banned
Danny was so unlikeable, his entire character was all over the place. How hard is it to write hijinks of a guy who hasn't interacted with society for most of his life? Entire story and action was boring too. Most characters were horrible. This might be the last Marvel show I give a chance (I hope punisher is amazing). Didn't like any of them so far. (didn't watch DD S2 though)
 
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Boem

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My girlfriend and me really liked the Netflix shows, especially Jessica Jones.

We can't get through this. It's just so dull. Enough people have given the same reasons I would give at this point, but man it's a drag. Just lacks the focus and personality of the other shows, where, even with their faults, it felt like the people involved actually had a specific story they wanted to tell. This just feels half-hearted, like someone was handed a super hero, didn't really care about it and just pumped out a show checking some super standard super hero tv show checklist.

We've actually watched the first three seasons of Agents of Shield together as well (way after those shows were finished). We were never really enthusiastic about it but it had some fun moments here and there. The kind of show we'd watch if we didn't have anything else going on and weren't feeling a more demanding show. With Iron Fist being so disappointing we started watching the fourth season, and I'm actually super surprised how good that show has gotten. I mean, I've made fun of that show a lot, but the fourth season is doing so many interesting things that I'm kind of surprised more people aren't talking about it. The special effects and action/fight scenes are really good, and it looks like it has a surprisingly high budget for what it is. I never expected them to be able to pull of something like Ghost Rider and not screw it up in the context of Shield. It's actually really good! Surprisingly fun and pacey story too, and a lot of fun new characters.

So yeah, what I'm trying to say is - if you're feeling bummed about Iron Fist, maybe give Agents of Shield season 4 a go. It's better than you think, promise.
 
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Baroquemantic

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Three episodes in now and while I don't think it's bad, it's nowhere near the level of the other Marvel Netflix shows. It just looks lower budget and quality. And while there hasn't been much action yet, what is there is pretty mediocre. I'm gonna finish this series only because I want to be up to speed on everything come Defenders time, and because I hope this somehow gets much better as I get further into it.
 
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- J - D -

Member
We finally finished this. Took us a lot longer to do so compared to the rest of the Netflix Marvel shows, but in our defense this show is just really mediocre. Not terrible, just not engaging in any way. Plot, characters, not even action are up to par. What's left to latch onto, then? Oh I know, brand familiarity. If this weren't a Marvel property that built up to some other eventual bigger thing, I would've given up after the first few episodes.

I'll give it one bit of praise though, it accomplishes something few shows manage: It makes EVERY other character more compelling than the lead by several orders of magnitude. By the end I realized I cared more about Colleen, Ward, Claire, Joy, Harold, Davos, Gao, and even Bakuto than I did Danny.

Good job, Iron Fist, pats on the back.
 
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Baroquemantic

Member
- J - D - said:
We finally finished this. Took us a lot longer to do so compared to the rest of the Netflix Marvel shows, but in our defense this show is just really mediocre. Not terrible, just not engaging in any way. Plot, characters, not even action are up to par. What's left to latch onto, then? Oh I know, brand familiarity. If this weren't a Marvel property that built up to some other eventual bigger thing, I would've given up after the first few episodes.

I'll give it one bit of praise though, it accomplishes something few shows manage: It makes EVERY other character more compelling than the lead by several orders of magnitude. By the end I realized I cared more about Colleen, Ward, Claire, Joy, Harold, Davos, Gao, and even Bakuto than I did Danny.

Good job, Iron Fist, pats on the back.
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Haven't finished it all yet, but I agree completely.
 
E

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
I wonder why they introduced his iPod and then NEVER used it. I thought we were going to get some Baby Driver type shit but with fights scenes.
 
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Baroquemantic

Member
Episode 6

These Danny fights are fucking trash. Hell, Danny scenes in general are trash. Awful character. And was that supposed to be the bride of nine spiders? Really disappointed if so.
 
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Shanlei91

Sonic handles my blue balls
Easily my number one show for 2017 to play in the background while doing something else.

It's an entire season of Luke Cage's lowest lows with an awkward family drama subplot.
 
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Patryn

Member
So I'm watching the show, and I'm at Episode 8, and I have a major question:

So... the board "fires" Danny, Joy and Ward. In the meeting with Joy and Ward, they talk about how they don't have to give Danny severence.

Except, doesn't Danny own 51 percent of the company? Can someone explain how the fuck he can be fired from the company if he doesn't want to be fired? Unless my math is off, that's a controlling stake.

Is this ever addressed? Or are we just supposed to forget that he owns that much?
 
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Jest Chillin

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Patryn said:
So I'm watching the show, and I'm at Episode 8, and I have a major question:

So... the board "fires" Danny, Joy and Ward. In the meeting with Joy and Ward, they talk about how they don't have to give Danny severence.

Except, doesn't Danny own 51 percent of the company? Can someone explain how the fuck he can be fired from the company if he doesn't want to be fired? Unless my math is off, that's a controlling stake.

Is this ever addressed? Or are we just supposed to forget that he owns that much?
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I assume it's something like a vote of No Confidence or something. Where they fire him from his board position but he technically still owns the shares. So he would still get his shareholder dividends or whatever is involved with that but can't make day to day decisions.

I don't have a really intricate knowledge of how Boards/Stakes work though.
 
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darkhunger

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ev0 said:
Sorry to disappoint...
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Yup, this is definitely a case of people in the top being shit versus the subject expertise brought in. The people in the top obviously don't give a shit about the martial arts and basically gave the stunt team a shitty action lead in Finn Jones and no time to prepare for and execute the stunts based on all accounts.

The stunt team definitely knows their stuff and you do see the various martial arts styles being incorporated. They just all look and are filmed in a shit way because they aren't given the resource to execute.
 
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Jest Chillin

Member
Looking at the full credits, There were 5 Stunt and Fight Coordinators, 3 of which were assistants with no prior experience as assistants, though all 5 appear to have worked together before.

My guess is the assistants were titled as such for experience/resume purposes. I haven't seen Marco Polo but the primary Stunt/Fight Coordinator has credits going all the way back to 1997, so I would assume the guy knows what he's doing. It does appear that it would be on the Showrunner and Directors for the fights being as middling as they were.
 
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darkhunger

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Jest Chillin said:
Looking at the full credits, There were 5 Stunt and Fight Coordinators, 3 of which were assistants with no prior experience as assistants, though all 5 appear to have worked together before.

My guess is the assistants were titled as such for experience/resume purposes. I haven't seen Marco Polo but the primary Stunt/Fight Coordinator has credits going all the way back to 1997, so I would assume the guy knows what he's doing. It does appear that it would be on the Showrunner and Directors for the fights being as middling as they were.
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https://comicsverse.com/an-interview-with-iron-fist-stunt-coordinator-brett-chan/

This interview appears to confirm that Buck and the episode directors hold most of the power. Basically they would either listen to this guy or not depending on the episode.

Funny thing is Finn Jones's stunt double also had no Kung fu experience (only experience with other martial arts) and also needed to learn it from scratch. L-O-L
 
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Realeza

Banned
The drunken fight in episode 8 was hilarious for all the wrong reasons. What were these writers smoking when doing this show?
 
Soodanim

Soodanim

Member
My reaction after finishing this show was to start Daredevil S1 again. I still think that's great. The bar isn't that high for me when it comes to TV/film and as a result I'm not always that good at articulating exactly why I enjoyed a show, but I knew from an early point that this show was disappointing. I can however say that I hated the fact that the problem of "Is it really Danny" could have been avoided had he led with something relevant and not the ridiculously bad way it was handled. I don't care if he had the mental age of a 10 year old. That didn't seem to persist, anyway.
 
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OrangeAtlas

Member
Has this behind the scenes photo of the flashback
Iron Fist been posted yet?

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Shame they couldn't get the lead to wear something like this, and don't seem to have any plans to. It could use a bit of work but would at least distinguish him from the other characters. Seeing that old-timey Iron Fist in full costume rocking double fists for an entire fight was all I wanted from this show
 
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Patryn

Member
SixFourMike said:
My reaction after finishing this show was to start Daredevil S1 again. I still think that's great. The bar isn't that high for me when it comes to TV/film and as a result I'm not always that good at articulating exactly why I enjoyed a show, but I knew from an early point that this show was disappointing. I can however say that I hated the fact that the problem of "Is it really Danny" could have been avoided had he led with something relevant and not the ridiculously bad way it was handled. I don't care if he had the mental age of a 10 year old. That didn't seem to persist, anyway.
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Having also just returned to Daredevil Season 1, it's fucking crazy watching the fight in Karen's apartment in that first episode and comparing it to the Iron Fist fights.

Matt is not supposed to have nearly as much training as Danny, yet he looks so much more competent in that brawl than Danny has ever looked. And the fight looks like it's going at light speed. Honestly that's my biggest problem with Iron Fist fights: they're so damn slow, and it's clear that you just have two actors following choreography that they don't know that well.
 
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Baroquemantic

Member
So is Danny this awful and useless in the comics? Jesus, I'm up to episode 8 now and this really isn't getting much better, especially in regards to the main character.
 
WhiteWaterM00se

WhiteWaterM00se

Member
I actually enjoy Iron Fist the most of all the Netflix Marvel shows. The writing and acting needs to get better. Keep in mind I'm only halfway thru the first season, but I think that were going for an Arrow season 1 vibe.
 
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BajiBoxer

Banned
How's the new comic series?

I'm somewhat entertained with the show, but Iron Fist is the worst character in the series. And that's obviously a problem with a show titled "Iron Fist".
Though having watched up to the drunk fight, Coleen Wing took a turn for the worse by jumping into bed with Danny.

Seriously, I feel like she just suddenly turned into a different character. She goes from busting his balls, to a head over heels in love girl whose every action has been taken because of him. It's totally unconvincing.
 
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Ricker

Member
I liked it but it was the weakest of the Netflix shows...I mean in the 13 hours or so how many time did he use his Iron Fist...? probably 5 minutes worth lol...I enjoyed them all,for me it's Daredevil,Jones,Cage and Fist...the 4 of them in Defenders should be great,hopefully.
 
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number11

Member
I've never forced myself to watch a show this much before. I was actually semi into it for the first 2 episodes.. but I'm up to episode 7, and now it's just background noise.
 
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CaviarMeths

Member
It's astounding just how dumb Danny is in this show. Every few scenes, he's in a room of people telling him that what he's about to do is a very bad idea, but he does it anyway for reasons and then the bad things happen just like everyone said they would. It's not even a "doing the right thing" situation either because most of the time his stupid, reckless actions aren't even necessary. Like, he spends a whole episode locked up in a psych hospital because he's too stupid to not tell the doctor that he's a mystical kung fu warrior from heaven. I haven't hated a protagonist this much since Code Geass. At least you're supposed to hate Lelouch.

And goddamn it annoyed me so much how prominently Claire was featured in this show and not once did she even suggest that they call Daredevil.

"Hey Matt, I'm going to go fight that clan of evil ninjas with a couple friends. You know, the one that you just fought a few months ago and that killed your girlfriend? You in or nah?"
 
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Deleted member 325805

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This might be the slowest starter ever, it has taken two full episodes for anything interesting to happen. Going into episode 3 now, hopefully something happens.
 
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