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The Surge [Sci-fi Souls-like, PS4/XBO/PC] Out May 16th
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Well, Prey 2 and Human Head was a HUGE loss for sure, but EA does / done it "better" and a lot more times which hurts a lot more. I'll never forgive them for killing off Westwood. NEVAH!
More_Badass
Member
So far, a lot of impressions, including some GAFfers, have been pretty posititve
Why dismiss a game because a previous work was bad? Caution is understandable, instant dismissal like that isnt IMO
Aztechnology
Member
Hah, I understand the sentiment. I'm reserving judgement until I see some GAF completion impressions and reviews though. This looks like a significant improvement on their previous title.
Wich is totally fair yeah. Still weird people are totally dismissing it because of their previous game.. Or are acting only certain studio's are allowed to make hardcore rpg games. Pretty unhealthy imo.
Sorry, why is this "weird"? LotF was was lackluster at best and people paid their money for it and were disappointed how is this unusual?
The last several Team Ninja games were pretty bad but Nioh turned out to be great. Developers can improve, hire new talent, learn from their mistakes and so on. There are ton's of times where developers most had written off for one reason or another release a new game that is a huge improvement than their last and much more well received. Guerrilla Games came off Horizon Shadowfall to make Horizon Zero Dawn.
I wasn't a huge fan of Lords of the Fallen but I'd be lying if this doesn't look like a massive improvement.
More_Badass
Member
And what does that have to do with The Surge itself? Yes, LoTF was their previous game. This isnt that game, and it isn't a sequel
Edit: basically this
All I'm going to say is that there's a very big reason that 90% of this footage is from the very beginning of the game.
Because maybe this one is good? Just complety dismissing it because of a previous game seems abit stupid.
Yeah because it was a demo of the early game.
Having already played The Surge, or actually, currently playing (PS4 review code) I can safely say that I'm enjoying it a lot more than I ever did Lords of the Fallen.
With that said, I think people being cautious about this game makes a whole lot of sense. Just because this ISNT Lords of the Fallen, doesn't mean you can't look at that game and be pessimistic about The Surge. It's still a Souls clone, just like Lords, so if anything, this could have literally been a reskinned Lords for all people knew. I think it's perfectly valid to look at Lords, and if you were disappointed with that game, to be super cautious about this one. I'm not sure why people find that weird.
What do you mean?
This is far too cryptic. Do you mean there's a twist, or the other areas are not good?
Please elaborate.
And they've shown very little past that. There's a bad reason for that.
Thats not what been said. Understand complety people are maybe waiting for reviews etc.
But just complety saying nope already. Seems abit to much. Maybe you will miss a great game then. We dont know.
So you have you played the game or are you talking out of your ass? They've been pretty liberal in showing off the game and we even have Gaffers posting footage of later areas. The game is pretty consistent in its art style but they are hardly being shy about the game at large.
I am playing the game right now for review.
More_Badass
Member
Caution and automatic dismissal are different things. Never played Lords, but I'm definitely cautiously interested in this based on what I heard about that game
And "Souls clone" isnt a bad thing. Dark Souls basically created a new subgenre, like roguelike or "Doom clone" on a broader level
Things just got cryptic
Hey, I know you're under NDA, but overall so far? Surprising good? Okay? Not as expected? I will take sign-language and cryptic hints, if need be lol
Well I hope to hear more when people can talk about it. I haven't heard this from anyone else who has the game and most seem fairly positive even if noting it isn't the most diverse collection of enemies and other such issues.
Yes but it's suppose to be sci fi no? So being grounded like that makes it very unstriking.
The thing is I wouldn't mind industrial setting if it didn't just all look like it's a junkyard. I haven't seen a single vista so far as it all looks like fighting in small enclosed corridors. I don't know how spread apart the gameplay footage are, whether they are all from one area or different or if other areas look the same. But looking a Bloodborne for example, you have one particular aesthetic in th game but it has really different looking areas from city, village, forest, castles etc etc.
I will buy the game at launch primarily because I have nothing else to play, the body targeting is cool and the Deck 13 are good at graphics. But I will be sort of bummed out if the game drops in price within a week or so because of low sales caused due to quality issues (like LoTF).
More_Badass
Member
Sci-fi is a lot of things, it doesnt automatically mean it has to be grand and super futuristic and whatnot. Consider the near-future shantytowns of Elysium and District 9, the industrial cyberpunk of 80s sci-fi like Blade Runner and Escape From New York, the today-but-with-advanced-tech worlds of Black Mirror
Most sci-fi games go for grand and galactic and so on. Grounded and industrial seems pretty rare
Ah ok, yeah I think I missed the part about dismissing the game. I agree with that then. Remaining cautious about any game these days seems smart, but dismissing a game entirely based on previous work is a bit too much.
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I wasn't using the description Souls Clone as a negative here, it's just... that's what it is, so I didn't know what else to call it. What's great about this, or at least from my time with the game, is how it tries different things with that souls formula, that so far I really enjoy. Where Lords tried to be exactly like Dark Souls, The Surge seems to be inspired by it, and then doing some cool things by altering the mechanics that would otherwise be standard in a Souls game.
But this is nothing like Bladerunner and Escape from New York..Deus Ex is like those movies. Even Elysium had shanty town BUT it also had Elysium to contrast it. District 9 I give you that but it had aliens !
I am actually really really bored of the "today but with slightly advanced tech" sci fi. Not because of games but because this is all TV has had to offer in past 5-7 years and every sci fi is just that so that they can cut down on cost by just filming in normal everyday sets while still calling it sci fi. It's why I hate such settings and it does nothing for me and why I love The Expanse so much more. The Expanse isn't grand galactic scale sci fi, it's also dirty and industrial at places but clean and futuristic at others. Basically it's the only space show out there atm.
Btw like I said it can be industrial but still not look like it's all just a junkyard.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I see almost no improvement over LOTF in terms of combat, not to mention the game looks much worse to me too in terms of art, designt and visually overall. Also, you can't just forget about LOTF and don't compare it with The Surge cuz these games has a lot more in common even though setting and some of the mechanics are different / new this time around in The Surge.
I hope we get reviews before release.
More_Badass
Member
How can you see almost no improvement in the combat? The combat barely looks alike between the two games, besides being in the Soulslike lock-on/stamina/dodge mold. The major changes and improvements I've seen compared to LOTF is exactly why I'm interested in this.
Don't forget From also made Ninja Blade.For example....Kings Field to Dark Souls
I really can't say much more I'm afraid.
16th, release day, for reviews.
More_Badass
Member
Some other GAF impressions
Karak also played a lot of a previous build, and seemed excited for the final release version based on his comments
bronk
Banned
You mean that as Ninja Blade is awesome and the best qte game ever right?
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Almost is important word here. I can clearly see improvements they've made and again - I like them and I already mentioned them like two times at least, but everything else which I didn't liked about LOTF's combat is still here almost in full force and I also already said what I didn't liked about LOTF combat and everything related to it, hell, you don't even have proper classes, character progression (in NG+ and so on), range weapons and magic in this game for Christ's sake, which was a huge letdown for me.
Just from the visual standpoint it looks and feels the same to me (apart from couple of new mechanics and finishing moves) and I ain't buying the game just to prove someone (or even myself) wrong. We'll see about that after a year or so when it'll be a lot cheaper (cuz it should be).
Like what (besides the ones I already mentioned)?
Well, what can I say, I'm glad for them, really, but I'm not gonna believe anyone until I play the game myself cuz this is the only way you can tell if the game is good or not, especialy when it comes to Souls clones.
VaultBoy101
Member
Not so much instant dismissal as extreme skepticism based on one of the most painful game experiences I've had in the past few years. If the reviews turn out to be stellar I'd 100% give it a shot.
I remember that poor man Ninja Gaiden. The protagonist's name is Ken.
KEN
Get it? Ryu? Ken? Boy the writters must have feel real clever when they came up with that!
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Bad release date for me (injustice). Will check it out sometime later.
I think it won't all be a junkyard. This is taken from the Behind the Scenes video:
And even the more "prosaic" and grounded zones can look pretty good:
Then again, as I've already said, with Deck13 games you may not like the rest, but you can take good environmental art for granted. Sure, it may not be your cup of tea, but they are talented, no doubt.
More_Badass
Member
Decided to do the OT
Any title suggestions?
Right now, thinking I need your helmet, your chassis, and your Vibro-cutter
Any title suggestions?
Right now, thinking I need your helmet, your chassis, and your Vibro-cutter
The Surge |OT| Surgecal Precision