MrCookiepants
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What's the problem with that Kendrick lyric? Isn't that a positive message? People are so fucking dumb.
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Does listening to rap make you a misogynist?
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Funny this is a topic as I was thinking about this subject the other day in relation to many of the songs I listen to. I been a hiphop head my whole life, I'm 39 raising 2 girls. Each year I find my self having to skip more songs in my rotation because the lyrical content hits me deeper in someways. Porn is not the same as well. I don't knock it but it feels more and more off to me. Getting off don't even feel that great in and of it self. But the connection you can have with a person holds more and more enjoyment for me. Kissing also feels much more intimate now to. Maybe it's me, I don't know.
veryslowhand
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Does enjoying nazi books make you nazi?
johancruijff
Banned
sit down Op
Professor Beef
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That's weird because when I listened to Run DMC back in the day I had a strong urge to nab some Adidas.
Chuckie
Member
If I am honest...they did ignite my love for Adidas.
About nazis or by nazis? Any person enjoying Mein Kampf is probably not quite right.
TheLostBigBoss
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I put in an Eminem albulm in my car once.
Woke up with a dead hooker in my trunk and my car in the middle of the woods!
Woke up with a dead hooker in my trunk and my car in the middle of the woods!
Corpsepyre
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If only listening to brutal death metal, such as Devourment, makes me a misogynist too.
Corpsepyre
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Misogyny in rap was over when The Divine Feminine dropped :^)
edit: Seriously though there is a conversation to be had about misogyny in hip hop, but judging by most of the replies here it'd go down as well as a discussion on the impact of the ubiquity of violence in video games would i.e. not very well.
edit: Seriously though there is a conversation to be had about misogyny in hip hop, but judging by most of the replies here it'd go down as well as a discussion on the impact of the ubiquity of violence in video games would i.e. not very well.
theignoramus
Member
Does watching violent movies or playing violent videos games make you go out and knock someone off?
theignoramus
Member
Thats the "shea butter" portion of Black twitter twitter and I steer clear of them for a reason, a Black man has no right to offer them any commentary other than deference, otherwise he's "trash."
hydrophilic attack
Member
We've had that discussion turn out ok before.
There's a reason why games like Nier and Spec Ops: The Line are popular on gaf
Chuckie
Member
The circle is complete.
who are probably minorities - sexist, globalist, AND racist
Babykiller is the best devourment song.
Angelus Errare
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I mean so does country and many forms of rock music.
Just because you cant understand what the fuck they're screaming, tho.
Brian_FETO
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Self Disembowelment fam
...I can see country *maybe* promoting misogyny, if calling your ex-wife rude names counts, but drugs?
Professor Renegade
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Nicki Minaj tho
sixteen-bit
Member
No way
Spuck-uk
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qft
hydrophilic attack
Member
radios shipping overview
Member
Have a little self-awareness about how many of the messages in media you're internalizing, and how you're interpreting them.
This goes for whatever you're enjoying, be it Scarface, Breaking Bad, Goodfellas, The Doors, Toby Keith, or Chainsmokers.
This goes for whatever you're enjoying, be it Scarface, Breaking Bad, Goodfellas, The Doors, Toby Keith, or Chainsmokers.
entremet
Member
Focusing on women's looks is not misogyny by definition. Just as focusing on a man's ability to attain resources is not misandry.
It can create second order problems but showcasing and discussing human beauty is prominent in art.
Lil'DigiOp
Member
Alcohol and tobacco are drugs.
And as much shit as they give everyone else, they smoke weed too.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
what are people's thoughts on songs like ether? it's widely considered to be the greatest diss track ever, but it is crazy homophobic. not sure how to feel when the title of such a song has entered popular lexicon.
Lets sum it up
1) In the past, majority of mainstream rap had artists referring to women as bitches. This is wrong, no doubt about it.
2) Every time this argument is brought back up, the people criticizing rap are always referring to that specific sub section of hip hop.
3) Painting all rap music as misogynist because of a small slice of the genre is misogynist, is intellectually dishonest
4) From the perspective of someone who understands the entire hip-hop genre as a whole, sometimes it's hard to not be suspicious about the bias' of the person who's criticizing this inherently black music but not criticizing others
5) Misogyny in rap has gone down, with the most popular artists being known for singing about love, marriage, family, and respect.
6) The word bitch has different meaning in certain contexts. Feel free to debate that if it's right or wrong, but when Nicki Minaj screams "Shout out to my boss bitches" is that misogynist? Boss bitch is a compliment and a title some women aspire to.
7) There is just as much rap that is not misogynist, but it would take someone who actually cares about the subject to look into, rather than someone who just wants to criticize music they're not into.
8) if you dont like to hear the word bitch, or even lyrics that are possibly offensive, there's a lot of media you probably want to censor yourself from.
9) It is possible that the misogyny in some rap could influence certain people, but anything can influence anyone. Is MMA lesser of a sport because people fist fight? Sure, you could debate that of the millions of people who watch it, there are some who go out and want to punch people.
9) If rap teachers people to treat women negatively, how about we look at the bigger picture at how worse has been done to women historically WAY before rap was invented.
I could continue but I'll stop here for now ....
1) In the past, majority of mainstream rap had artists referring to women as bitches. This is wrong, no doubt about it.
2) Every time this argument is brought back up, the people criticizing rap are always referring to that specific sub section of hip hop.
3) Painting all rap music as misogynist because of a small slice of the genre is misogynist, is intellectually dishonest
4) From the perspective of someone who understands the entire hip-hop genre as a whole, sometimes it's hard to not be suspicious about the bias' of the person who's criticizing this inherently black music but not criticizing others
5) Misogyny in rap has gone down, with the most popular artists being known for singing about love, marriage, family, and respect.
6) The word bitch has different meaning in certain contexts. Feel free to debate that if it's right or wrong, but when Nicki Minaj screams "Shout out to my boss bitches" is that misogynist? Boss bitch is a compliment and a title some women aspire to.
7) There is just as much rap that is not misogynist, but it would take someone who actually cares about the subject to look into, rather than someone who just wants to criticize music they're not into.
8) if you dont like to hear the word bitch, or even lyrics that are possibly offensive, there's a lot of media you probably want to censor yourself from.
9) It is possible that the misogyny in some rap could influence certain people, but anything can influence anyone. Is MMA lesser of a sport because people fist fight? Sure, you could debate that of the millions of people who watch it, there are some who go out and want to punch people.
9) If rap teachers people to treat women negatively, how about we look at the bigger picture at how worse has been done to women historically WAY before rap was invented.
I could continue but I'll stop here for now ....
MilkyJoe
Member
But is it ok to read it out for personal education of history?
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
'but sony too!'
No, a lot of music gets a pass on its lyrical content but there is times I feel pretty hypocritical because I listen to a ton of it. I mean Quavo, who is probably the MVP of Rap for the past year or so literally says "Chink" on the Culture album, a few months back and no one really cared. It's shocking really.
And Jesus listening to Ether nowadays is awful considering the homophobia on the track.
And Jesus listening to Ether nowadays is awful considering the homophobia on the track.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
I loved the hell out of gangsta rap in my youth. To be honest, my religious and cultural upbringing contributed to nearly all of my early life misogyny.
I think it's basically hate speech
Sparkedglory
Member
No.