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Feeling fully aware of something probably feels very similar to being delusional about something, eh?
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Anyone else disappointed with Destiny 2 reveal?
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Feeling fully aware of something probably feels very similar to being delusional about something, eh?
ScaryShark
Banned
I get Destiny not being your thing (it wasn't even my thing for a lot of the time I was playing it) but the 'rush job' complaint I'm just not seeing. Especially since a lot of time yesterday was spent on things like characters and narrative which the first game was sorely lacking. A game that adds a lot more character stuff, VO and cinematics comes off as the antithesis of a 'rush job'.
It seems like a lot of the complaints are just that it isn't markedly different from the first game which makes sense since it's a sequel called Destiny...2.
It seems like a lot of the complaints are just that it isn't markedly different from the first game which makes sense since it's a sequel called Destiny...2.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
We're really, REALLY not.
I refuse to believe you're actually serious at this point. Enjoy the game man. I'm out.
Is that going to ruin every online experience I have? That's what I mean about it being subjective because not everybody cares about that type of situation to the degree you do. It depends on the person. That isn't debatable.
I'm not excusing the lack of dedicated servers and 60 fps on consoles (both of which I wanted, and believed were coming) but they've addressed both and I'm sure a studio of Bungie's caliber would have included them both if they were easy fixes.
(IMO its hard to look at Destiny after playing Titanfall 2 or Overwatch)
PvP players is negligible since you aren't losing content, its just different (and the people who've played it are saying its an improvement.) "Re-skinned" enemies is hilarious considering how little we've seen, the new enemies we have seen, and the recurrence of visually identical but technically improved enemies in every game series ever (the Covenant, Goombas, Tonberries, Nazis, etc.)
And they completely redid three of the classes, while the others all work differently. Obviously they're incredibly similar, but why throw away the stuff that works when you can iterate on it?
I don't mean to be Bungie Defense Force, but I think the reveal showed how much they've listened and how excited they are for another shot at Destiny when it got such a rough reception the last time.
ah, thanks for clarifying
The Wraith
Member
What does biggest game actually mean? I don't care for "WE HAVE THE MOST CINEMATICS EVER" spiel because that means nothing to me. I want to wander around a fully fleshed out world and do different things. Destiny 1 did not do that for me. It was overly repetitive and I'm not a fan of having like 16 people in a zone. The world felt empty and lifeless to me. Crucible was fun for 10 minutes before it became just a repetitive grind. Like I said I'll wait for the beta to see just how "big" this world is before I make my final decision. As of now I'm waiting for an expansion unless the beta sways me otherwise.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Yes, unfortunately. As someone who loved Destiny and put in around 250h it doesn't look like it addresses any of my concerns. (Hint: I don't think a "cinematic campaign" is what a game I'd be playing for hundreds of hours needs).
It also didn't help that the new subclasses looked like reskins of things that were already in D1. The QOL changes are nice but not enough.
It also didn't help that the new subclasses looked like reskins of things that were already in D1. The QOL changes are nice but not enough.
Velocity:Design:Comfort
Banned
Those seem to be YOUR expectations, but you act indignant when someone tells you that it isn't part of the game dev's plan. But then it is somehow everyone elses fault?
All you've done is selectively quote and twist what people have said (in between making obvious points about things like dedi-servers). Everyone can see this from your post history ITT, it doesn't matter how much you try to squirm a "win".
Nothing of value was lost.
You're trying to be a smart arse which is perfectly fine, but you're completely missing the point.
The majority of complaints here are about things that we can't make a full judgement on until we actually see the game ourselves.
Only 4 planets? Won't matter if the planets have tonens of content.
Only 4v4? Won't matter if the modes are crafted to suit this well.
No new classes? Won't matter if the games systems are designed around the trio well enough.
And so on...
There's no defense force here, just the call for some actual rational debate.
Yeah the "twice as big" comment in regards to the worlds doesn't inspire much confidence. The worlds in the first game were just a bunch of segmented areas connected by what were essentially hallways.
Who cares if they can make something like that, but twice as big. I was hoping for more of a "if you see it you can reach it" type of design like what was originally promised for d1.
Who cares if they can make something like that, but twice as big. I was hoping for more of a "if you see it you can reach it" type of design like what was originally promised for d1.
People really are focusing on the wrong things.
Only thing that needed to be improved from Destiny 1 is more content. the OG title has literally 10 hours of stuff and then nothing. If Destiny 2 has 4 planets that are full of awesome content, then i don't see any reason to complain about
Only thing that needed to be improved from Destiny 1 is more content. the OG title has literally 10 hours of stuff and then nothing. If Destiny 2 has 4 planets that are full of awesome content, then i don't see any reason to complain about
It is obvious this game will sell a ton, if Destiny 1 with all its flaws sold that much, this one by being the same game will sell as much. Obviously people who didn't play or play but stopped by several issues 1 had is gonna be disappointing, they were expecting a big improvement but this game has nothing to offer to them it just look like a Destiny 1.5 instead of a Destiny 2.
No new classes in a new version of a game that pretends to be an MMO is laughable, anyway it is good to know I won't make the same mistake I made almost three years ago and void this at launch.
No new classes in a new version of a game that pretends to be an MMO is laughable, anyway it is good to know I won't make the same mistake I made almost three years ago and void this at launch.
They did say the explorable areas would be very dense with content. They said this a few times, like "every corner you turn there will be something to find".
Of course, be sceptical as they've fooled us before, but if we take what they told us as the truth for the sake of the argument, it seems they understand that lack from D1 and have designed D2 to be much, much better in this regard.
benicillin
Banned
I think the dreadnaught and the plaguelands were actually a lot more content dense than the original patrol zones and if that trend carries over the new zones should be larger and have more content in them. There's nothing to prove it one way or another right now obviously, but they said they were adding new activities and public events to make those zones better.
Destiny 1 had SSR too.
Anyways here are the graphical upgrades
1) Quite a substantial overhaul to lighting (there's this neon lit area in the single player demo that looks cool)
2) Massive upgrades to particles (looked like they were using GPU particles)
3) Bokeh DoF
4) Proper PBR implementation so nicer materials and all
5) More complex and denser geometry
6) Lots of alpha like grass and such
And I'm sure there are other improvements here and there like better AO, bigger areas. And I wouldn't be surprised if texture resolution is improved as well seeing how Destiny 1 was a pretty 2014 developed title that didn't use all the RAM.
if you have friends to play with, i'd really suggest playing the first one. The collection goes on sale regularly and $30 for all the co-op content it comes with, really makes it worth it
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
No I'm pretty sure if this was an expansion announcement instead most people would be on board with it.
xenorevlis
Member
Honestly? A little. Mostly because it looked kind of like I was expecting the first game to, except that was a cross-gen title.
Then we started hearing console versions are all locked at 30 fps, even though visually it doesn't look much better than the first and there are several titles on PS4 and XBO that run at 60fps with way more going on when you factor in "4v4" for their PvP. Titles like Rocket League (rumble mode or chaos), Uncharted multiplayer, Battlefront, Battlefield, Call of Duty titles even.
That was the real let-down.
Then we started hearing console versions are all locked at 30 fps, even though visually it doesn't look much better than the first and there are several titles on PS4 and XBO that run at 60fps with way more going on when you factor in "4v4" for their PvP. Titles like Rocket League (rumble mode or chaos), Uncharted multiplayer, Battlefront, Battlefield, Call of Duty titles even.
That was the real let-down.
blue_phazon
Member
I lost count between Destiny hate threads and Halo hate threads lol.
Luckily I like them both
cripterion
Member
There's no indication at all of a "rush job". The only concern for that is how D1 launched.
So yeh, I understand people being sceptical, but the people shitting the bed without proper context are just being dumb.
Just because you're grasping for a win by selectively quoting my posts doesn't mean everyone else can't see what you're doing.
Stop it, you're just looking foolish.
I've fullly aware of Destiny's issues. I was there since beta. The game had many, many flaws and some pretty fundamental ones.
That doesn't change the fact many of you are being ridiculous with your expectations and concerns here.
"Isn't a true sequel" is one of the dumbest things I've read ITT so far.
Clever? Aw, shucks.
I'm not saying that at all, though. Don't put words in my mouth please.
Well you're saying people are "shitting on the game" and that these people didn't play it enough to understand how good it was.
Can't you imagine someone picking up the game based on the original promise it had, and ending up disappointed and wanting more from its sequel?
RSB
Banned
Yeah, but mostly because the gameplay is still gonna be ruined by those stupid accuracy penalties for everything.
The stuff most people are complaining about don't bother me anywhere near as much (30fps, no dedicated servers, etc) although I get why some could be disappointed.
I will still get the game eventually though (probably when a complete edition releases in a couple of years)
The stuff most people are complaining about don't bother me anywhere near as much (30fps, no dedicated servers, etc) although I get why some could be disappointed.
I will still get the game eventually though (probably when a complete edition releases in a couple of years)
We don't know how big it is, just that they've said it's the biggest game they've made, and they made the Halo games. We've only seen so much from the reveal. Which is why people shouldn't jump to conclusions that it's small when we've barely seen what the game has to offer. We haven't seen basically anything on the open world stuff, just heard a couple things, so if that's your concern, you should probably wait for more gameplay.
Crucible was fun for me, but definitely needed some improving. Hopefully it'll be better this time around. The crucible gameplay I watched really got me hyped. Looks a lot better.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Those are arbitrary expectations though.
Mediking
Member
Wait, is Destiny like the Division...? Playing solo is dumb compared to with friends????
People are shitting on the game, this is the same for almost every Destiny thread outside the OT and has been as far back as the beta.
And many of them didn't even play the first, or get to the good stuff like the raid and end game activities.
And, again, we don't know how much the game will have. The density of activities, etc... so many of the complaints here are really silly as we need context.
Be sceptical, sure, but making an absolute call based on what we have like so many are doing ITT is really stupid.
No new classes is not "laughable". What's actually laughable is people having this expectation about what an MMO type game should be.
They're clearly design the game around the trio of classes they have, and that's absolutely fine. It's a valid design choice, and if the game is designed around the trio to support them and offer enough to do with them then it won't matter.
There is no rule book here, and we don't know how the game will be until we play it, so saying "no new classes is bad" really doesn't have any value.
You're being incredibly stupid here. My comment about arbitrary expectations was very clearly explained and didn't mean what yo're desperately trying to convince yourself it did.
Why are you even here if you have no interest in reading the posts your replying to? You're shitting up the thread with this nonsense. Please stop it.
Playing with friends is much better, but I was basically a solo player for 90% of it. I just used LFG stuff when I needed to.
Luckily, Destiny 2 has more options to put you in games. Solo players will be fine.
Cool! This is the kind of stuff I want to see.
The Wraith
Member
Like I said if the beta proves to me that they have made improvements to the content in the game then I'll bite. All I have to go by is Destiny 1 and it wasn't that impressive to be honest. Bungie promised the world but under delivered. I won't be fooled again.
benicillin
Banned
I'm not sure they needed to add new classes to the 9 already available as long as they've changed them up a bit and given them more interesting options and made them all more viable. Which it sounds like they've done.
Yeah, it's really futile arguing about it, because that's all these people want to do. My friend judged Destiny based on what everyone said at launch, and still only picks up on the critique points so he refuses to play it because of things like "no matchmaking for everything". Well they added matchmaking to 2! "Well, I wanted classes to feel more different, and there aren't enough enemies". If he would just play it, I know he'd love it. FFS he loves Diablo and its loot which is similar to Destiny.
Velocity:Design:Comfort
Banned
This. To me, the subclasses ARE the classes - playing the newer Warlock subclass vs Sunsinger is a way different play style. Or the one with Void Bomb vs. Sunsinger with self res. Totally different IMO. and now there is the layer of the class ability. Does anyone know if that has it's own skill tree?
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
I had a feeling it was going to be very similar to the first before the reveal so I was not disappointed. There's not a whole lot they can do without making it a different game, which is a sure way to piss off your stalwart supporters in a series like this.
It's a catch-22. If you make too many changes, people complain that you've ruined the game or it doesn't belong in series X, if you don't make enough changes, people say it's boring, cookie-cutter, expansion pack, etc. It's tough for the dev and you have to accept that you won't please everyone.
It's a catch-22. If you make too many changes, people complain that you've ruined the game or it doesn't belong in series X, if you don't make enough changes, people say it's boring, cookie-cutter, expansion pack, etc. It's tough for the dev and you have to accept that you won't please everyone.
ScaryShark
Banned
I wouldn't call it 'dumb' but it is definitely most enjoyable in a group of people you know. At least in the first one the narrative and characters were so bland and you ended up doing a lot of the same stuff over and over that playing with friends really took a lot of the monotony out of it.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who played it solo and had a great time with it.
Yes. I was looking for something that kept the core of Destiny but changed the approach. I didn't get that.
I'm also really disappointed seeing Destiny fans dismissing concerns so vociferously. Two of the top threads getting upvoted on DTG right now are mocking some relevant criticisms of the reveal based on the ridiculous strawman that people were expecting a completely new game.
I'm also really disappointed seeing Destiny fans dismissing concerns so vociferously. Two of the top threads getting upvoted on DTG right now are mocking some relevant criticisms of the reveal based on the ridiculous strawman that people were expecting a completely new game.
Ahh, you're a 'burned by vanilla" guy. You should always wait for more info before getting a game. People got overhyped and had crazy expectations for the original game. I accepted it for what it was and loved it. I never needed it to be more than what we got.
Garrett Hawke
Member
That's kind of the issue imo. Speaking anecdotally, but myself and my friends eventually (250h+) got tired of D1 and checked out so the D2 reveal does pretty much nothing for us because it looks so much like D1. I'm sure there are others in a similar boat.
The Last Wizard
Member
Yea, I feel it was being hyped as if it was gonna be something completely different.
Joshmyersbv
Member
It honestly looks like the same shit I got bored with on Destiny. I'll wait a bit though, just to see how they spice up the gameplay a bit.
CamHostage
Member
To be unfair, though, the new game has PS4 Pro / PC to show off on (not sure what units they used to demo Destiny 2?) instead of standard PS4/Xbox boxes.
Also, the little bits of improvement visually are nice but perhaps don't show drastic leaps in technology that one might hope for in a AAA game's numbered sequel three years later (especially one that gets to restart the server base again and so doesn't depend on the old game for much of anything.) Remember that Destiny is a game that previously had to be built to run on old PS3 and 360 consoles; if anything, it's hard to see where Bungie freed up abilities where having to support last-gen kept down the engine. (There's always been a little bit of talk on that accusation, that people thought past-gen held Destiny back.)
For what it's worth, though, I will defend the 30FPS choice. This is what Bungie does, make rock-solid and high-performing 30FPS shooters.
The multitudes who failed out on D1 might say otherwise, as would the many who heard about Destiny but didn't see what was in it for them. I'm in the latter camp, I'm very much in favor of playing a Bungie shooter (only had PlayStations so my Halo experiences have been joyful but brief,) but watching friends play Destiny didn't convince me to join and I'm expecting something more impactful will have to be shown in order to bring me on for Destiny 2.
(Also, it might take something extra to get D1 players to restart everything and get into D2 rather than just stay with what's comfortable for them and their friends.)
True, the whole "10 year plan" hype is easy to get swept up in (especially when Bungie had to redo and skim a lot of the story in order to build something shippable for D1's launch, something they've fought to rectify through expansions and now the sequel.) You don't want to over-judge Destiny based on the promise of the hype and the developer pedigree. My take so far, though, is that the first game didn't grab me, and I've not yet seen what the second game will do to change that ... but also, I still like in general the base game concept (even if I'm not much of an online player) and think it looks fine if not spectacular, so I wish Destiny fans well and I hope something comes along in D2 that finally changes my mind.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Not at all. Kept everything that worked and fixed almost everything that didn't. Add in PC support and a massive graphical update and here we are.
Can't wait for release. Whenever the hell that is.
Can't wait for release. Whenever the hell that is.
benicillin
Banned
Something tells me GAF is going to be really confused when Destiny 2 is a massive success.
The thing is, if the game is just more of the same and it doesn't offer anything new to player who were not interested in the original or played the original and didn't like it, why should any of those people try it?
Where exactly did you hear about all those things?
Lighting overhaul? Particles, Bokeh and DoF, PBR, more geometry, alphas...I bet Destiny 1 had all of that, but how do you tell it's way better on Destiny 2? Did they announce it?
So not liking something is acting like a little kid? People who praised it to high heavens at launch are suspect to me considering the state of the game back then.