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[Rodney McKay]

As a lover of TNG and Voyager while it aired, as well as the occasional DSN (of which I've seen all of it) but I felt Enterprise was not the worst series around. It was, to me, one of the better series on TV in the early 2000s. I actually kinda love Enterprise and, even though I understand its not as great as the earlier Trek series.

The only thing the got me tired with Enterprise was the constant time travel temporal cold war stuff.
It just didn't make for much of an enjoyable story arc for a large chunk of the show.

I only liked one season of that stuff the, Deathstar sphere season, and that wasn't heavily time travel related, it was mainly just the instigater of the main conflict instead of the main focus.

The final season thankfully didn't focus on that stuff and had a ton of pretty fun fan service-y story arcs.

But man, that last episode was one of the worst show finales I've seen.

 

[JeffZero]

Season 3's back half is superb. Season 4 is good all-around. (Except for that ending.)

 

[Ashby]

Huh. I may just watch Enterprise before Discovery airs. I consider myself a huge Star Trek fan but I've always kept to TNG, DS9 and the occasional TOS episode. Feels like I've already watched ENT though considering how much time I've spent reading up on Memory Alpha about all the lore that happens in it heh.

 

[BrokenFiction]

Goddammit now I want to rewatch everything.

 

[t-storm]

Enterprise was solid. Just finished watching all four seasons. The first two seasons were executive produced by Brannon Braga from Voyager so it's easy to see why they weren't that great. They were slow but there were still some good episodes in there.

I'm season three, they brought Manny Coto on (24) for the writing and then he was executive producing for season four which really was well done.

Archer was not insane, he just progressively developed into a hard ass throughout season three.

 

[lastplayed]

I binged on Enterprise when they all popped up on Netflix and I think I enjoyed the first few seasons more than the Xindi arc. The not-so-subtle War on Terror themes were a bit much for me, and the Xindi were like a bunch of He-Man villains, although I still enjoyed watching it overall.

I really loved the early tech and politics though, especially the Vulcan/Andorian conflicts and moments when they were still figuring out how to deal with aliens before the Prime Directive came along.

And the NX class... so sexy.

 

[JeffZero]

And the NX class... so sexy.

The NX-01 is my favorite Enterprise design. Had there been a fifth season, Doug Drexler and the rest of the VFX team would have introduced a refit, and it would have been all the more gorgeous.

 

[lastplayed]

The NX-01 is my favorite Enterprise design. Had there been a fifth season, Doug Drexler and the rest of the VFX team would have introduced a refit, and it would have been all the more gorgeous.

Oh yeah, tell me about it. I built the Polar Lights Enterprise last year and want to get the kit again so I can do the refit version (it gives you the option of both).

 

[firehawk12]

Get the fuck out of here. Enterprise was great.

No it wasn't lol

 

[JeffZero]

Oh yeah, tell me about it. I built the Polar Lights Enterprise last year and want to get the kit again so I can do the refit version (it gives you the option of both).

Oh wow. That's awesome.

 

[Himynameischris]

Oh yeah, tell me about it. I built the Polar Lights Enterprise last year and want to get the kit again so I can do the refit version (it gives you the option of both).

So the Nacelles are attached to the saucer? That's pretty cool

 

[lastplayed]

So the Nacelles are attached to the saucer? That's pretty cool

Kinda. They took the existing pylons and extended them down to a new secondary hull.

 

[teiresias]

I never understood the design of the NX-01. The deflector dish was always an integral part of how starships operated, so I was never sure how the NX-01 wasn't pummeled with space rocks until it was swiss cheese.

 

[Himynameischris]

Kinda. They took the existing pylons and extended them down to a new secondary hull.

Oh ok that's still pretty cool actually

I never understood the design of the NX-01. The deflector dish was always an integral part of how starships operated, so I was never sure how the NX-01 wasn't pummeled with space rocks until it was swiss cheese.

Yeah it's almost like they forgot to include it and just slapped a really thin oblong dish to the front

 

[Pluto]

The NX-01 is my favorite Enterprise design. Had there been a fifth season, Doug Drexler and the rest of the VFX team would have introduced a refit, and it would have been all the more gorgeous.

There wouldn't have been a refit for season 5, Doug Drexler did this renders on his own for a calendar after the show ended iirc, that doesn't mean the studio would have allowed a redesign of the hero ship on the actual show.

 

[lastplayed]

I never understood the design of the NX-01. The deflector dish was always an integral part of how starships operated, so I was never sure how the NX-01 wasn't pummeled with space rocks until it was swiss cheese.

It's nested in the front of the saucer, there's a flat copper dish there.

The Enterprise-D and Voyager also had small emergency deflectors in their saucers.

Even the Reliant has sneaky deflectors somewhere. You can pretty much shove them anywhere if you forgot to include them.

 

[JeffZero]

There wouldn't have been a refit for season 5, Doug Drexler did this renders on his own for a calendar after the show ended iirc, that doesn't mean the studio would have allowed a redesign of the hero ship on the actual show.

Oh? I must have misread his Facebook posts a few years ago. I thought he said the refit was slated for season five. Maybe he was saying he would have liked it.

 

[Himynameischris]

Enterprise F and G aren't canon right? Those things are ugly

 

[firehawk12]

Enterprise F and G aren't canon right? Those things are ugly

J is the only canon one, although with Star Trek timeline bullshit, who knows.

 

[lastplayed]

Enterprise F and G aren't canon right? Those things are ugly

When I first saw pictures of the F I didn't like it, but once seeing it in 3D it kinda grew on me. Never heard of the G!

Can't wait to get my Eaglemoss Enterprise-J model though, that thing's nuts.

 

[Himynameischris]

J is the only canon one, although with Star Trek timeline bullshit, who knows.

Oh yeah I forgot about J, that one is a crazy departure from anything Starfleet

When I first saw pictures of the F I didn't like it, but once seeing it in 3D it kinda grew on me. Never heard of the G!

Can't wait to get my Eaglemoss Enterprise-J model though, that thing's nuts.

Apparently the G is just fanfic stuff,

So the F is from Star Trek Online? I have to load that up again one day

It kinda looks like Voyager with regular nacelles

 

[SuperBanana]

Enterprise F and G aren't canon right? Those things are ugly

Those things are beautiful compared to the J (which is canon). The far future gets real ugly.

 

[Bluth54]

Oh? I must have misread his Facebook posts a few years ago. I thought he said the refit was slated for season five. Maybe he was saying he would have liked it.

I think I read they were considering it but I doubt it would of happened because they wouldn't be able to reuse any special effects shots with the ship, they would of had to re-render everything (which is probably the same reason Voyager never took any battle damage).

 

[Effect]

Oh yeah I forgot about J, that one is a crazy departure from anything Starfleet



Apparently the G is just fanfic stuff,

So the F is from Star Trek Online? I have to load that up again one day

It kinda looks like Voyager with regular nacelles

Yeah the F is from Star Trek Online. Its apart of the Odyssey class of ships they released for the game. I don't think it was designed by anyone related to Star Trek but was apart of competition the game held and it's design was the winner. It's canon in regard to that game's timeline but that's it I think.

 

[antibolo]

The first two seasons of Enterprise were garbage with basically no redeeming values at all. But seasons 3 and 4 were so damn good.

 

[Rolodzeo]

Kinda. They took the existing pylons and extended them down to a new secondary hull.

Never heard of it but it looks really, really good.

 

[Not]

I just chuckled a little bit at the diversity within the bridge crew, seems somewhat shoehorned to me but well, I guess it represents the current Zeitgeist and it's Trek after all, so I will start liking the whole crew at some point.

I fucking love this comment because watch The Original Series.

So many damn layers of irony. I can't get over it.

GOAT comment.

 

[Jotaka]

Enterprise failed from the very start... that intro was so america centric that put me off from the very start.

And we have this shit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Pi3uegE8w

 

[JeffZero]

Sure, but it got better and better as it went along. Also, unpopular opinion but it has one of the strongest premieres.

 

[Bluth54]

The first two seasons of Enterprise were garbage with basically no redeeming values at all. But seasons 3 and 4 were so damn good.

If Enterprise had gotten a full 7 seasons with the last 3 seasons being season 4 quality it would of been a legitimate contender for best Star Trek series (especially since the first two seasons of modern Trek shows are typically mediocre or bad).

 

[Himynameischris]

I hated that damn intro, shame you couldn't auto-skip on Netflix,

 

[dlauv]

This isn't exciting at all. Looks ugly and most of the dialogue they chose isn't what interests me as a Star Trek fan although the alien biology to sense death did a bit. I still have a bad taste in my mouth of Fuller after Hannibal Season 3.

 

[Rookhelm]

I like the Enterprise intro, as cheesy as it was. it grew on me.


And I think Voyager gets a bad rap. yes, there are some shitshow episodes, but when Voyager hits, it hits pretty well imo.

 

[Royal_Flush]

The ENT S1+2 intro is considered bad? I liked it. Sad it got messed up for S3+4

 

[whyamihere]

Enterprise's theme is Bad and we should never talk about it again.

 

[tearsintherain]

This isn't exciting at all. Looks ugly and most of the dialogue they chose isn't what interests me as a Star Trek fan although the alien biology to sense death did a bit. I still have a bad taste in my mouth of Fuller after Hannibal Season 3.

My people were biologically created for one purpose alone: to star on TV shows that will get cancelled after 2 seasons.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

So finally saw the trailer. Side note: I am not and never have been a Trek fan, no matter how many times others (friends, my dad) have tried to get me into it. The first two Abrams films are the only part of the series I have enjoyed. Haven't seen Beyond yet.

That being said, this looks terrible. It is fucking bizarre watching a show that is so overproduced yet at the same time looks so cheap. The dialogue is corny as hell and hits every sci-fi cliche in the book. The creature aliens designs are uninspired, the ship designs just plan suck, like something out of a PS1 game. Really seems like producers wanted to appease both fans of the classic series and fans of the Abrams films but ended up pleasing no one.

 

[JeffZero]

I disagree. The dialogue is hit-or-miss (some is fine, some is questionable), but nothing about the show looks cheap to me. Nor do I think it looks especially overproduced. Most of this -- hell, all of it -- is kinda subjective, but I'm curious: why do you reckon it looks overproduced?

And I don't know about failing to appease anyone. There's a lot of hype around this trailer. Probably about as much hype as there is negativity, ha.

 

[lastplayed]

You gotta love all these hot takes by self-proclaimed non-fans where they claim it doesn't appeal to old time fans.

 

[Effect]

I disagree. The dialogue is hit-or-miss (some is fine, some is questionable), but nothing about the show looks cheap to me. Nor do I think it looks especially overproduced. Most of this -- hell, all of it -- is kinda subjective, but I'm curious: why do you reckon it looks overproduced?

And I don't know about failing to appease anyone. There's a lot of hype around this trailer. Probably about as much hype as there is negativity, ha.

More positive then negativity for sure from what I'm seeing in many places. Some are hyped while others simply want to see what it's about that may or may not feel strongly about the design choices. I get the impression the negatives few but loud. Ranging from those that will hate or pick apart anything that doesn't look like TOS or a fan made project no matter how unreasonable and unrealistic that would be to those seeing it as a new target to push their racist and sexist beliefs. I'm seeing a ton of that garbage floating around.

The trailer was a situation where a number of mask got torn off and people slipped up. Those claiming to be Trek fans and saying loved or were okay with diversity yet letting it slip in many ways they're okay with it when there is a white male lead. Having Michelle Yeoh and Sonequa Martin-Green front in center set off a lot of racist that claimed to be Trek fans.

 

[firehawk12]

More positive then negativity for sure from what I'm seeing in many places. Some are hyped while others simply want to see what it's about that may or may not feel strongly about the design choices. I get the impression the negatives few but loud. Ranging from those that will hate or pick apart anything that doesn't look like TOS or a fan made project no matter how unreasonable and unrealistic that would be to those seeing it as a new target to push their racist and sexist beliefs. I'm seeing a ton of that garbage floating around.

The trailer was a situation where a number of mask got torn off and people slipped up. Those claiming to be Trek fans and saying loved or were okay with diversity yet letting it slip in many ways they're okay with it when there is a white male lead. Having Michelle Yeoh and Sonequa Martin-Green front in center set off a lot of racist that claimed to be Trek fans.

Trek has a sizable conservative fanbase. Maybe not Trumpian, but definitely Republican, since it is basically about American exceptionalism.

 

[AzureSkies]

But man, that last episode was one of the worst show finales I've seen.

I knew the last episode was awful. But man, I wasn't ready for it to be hands down the worst finale I've ever watched.

It makes Lost's finale look good.

 

[Bluth54]

I knew the last episode was awful. But man, I wasn't ready for it to be hands down the worst finale I've ever watched.

It makes Lost's finale look good.

The really sad thing is that the Enterprise finale would of made a great concept for a regular episode. Have some of the TNG crew spend time on the holodeck with a simulated Enterprise adventure is a great concept for a regular episode or two.

But they had to go and make it the finale of Enterprise more about TNG than Enterprise.

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

The really sad thing is that the Enterprise finale would of made a great concept for a regular episode. Have some of the TNG crew spend time on the holodeck with a simulated Enterprise adventure is a great concept for a regular episode or two.

But they had to go and make it the finale of Enterprise more about TNG than Enterprise.

I mean, I get what they were going for, including TNG in the mix was supposed to make it a farewell to Trek as a whole, after ending its almost 20 year nonstop run of shows, but fuck, it was bad. The last scene with all of the Enterprises still gives me goosebumps though.

 

[JeffZero]

"Demons"/"Terra Prime" could have been a three-parter where the last hour is pure denouement, and flashes forward six years to the new speech Archer is about to give in the real finale, and it would have been a worthy send-off. The Romulan thread would still have been left dangling, but it's Star Trek so we know what happens there and we can take the Season 4 buildup as political tension and nothing more. It would have been fine. As it stands, Season 4 is still quite good despite not diving further into that content the following year.

But noooo, we had to suffer "These Are The Voyages..." instead. Heh. I enjoy the last few minutes though. Archer and T'Pol, and then the ships.

 

[Effect]

So I decided to take a real look at CBS's website to see what they have available for streaming on their site and on the CBS Access subscription. I think there is a misunderstanding of the All Access. The app isn't the only way to view CBS' shows. You can watch them from their website as well. That said here is the link to the show page.

http://www.cbs.com/shows/

The catalog is a LOT bigger then I was expecting. Mix of old and new shows. Many shows have all of their episodes available with the subscription while others seem to just that current season or current and last season. That is a bit confusing but maybe the other seasons are on things like Netflix for the time being since CBS access is relatively new and being only a few years old. Also all of Star Trek TV is available as well, including the animated series.

So really when one subscribes they're not just getting Discovery but all of Trek TV when they do. They really should be advertising that more if they want people to buy into this when Discovery releases. "For $6 a month you can stream not just the brand new Star Trek series but also all of Star Trek minus the films. From TOS to Enterprise." That's a much more attractive sales pitch. So one isn't just subscribing for one show.

 

[Walshicus]

Kinda. They took the existing pylons and extended them down to a new secondary hull.

NX refit is awesome, but I still have a soft spot for the XCV 330:

 

[Yoshi]

Archer was fine as a captain, a more fatherly figure and buddy to the crew than the other Starfleet captains. The problem with Enterprise was that the other characters were boring as fuck. The epitome of bland and monotone. I didn't like any of them and I didn't care about any of them.

Phlox was great, T'Pol was really funny and I also enjoyed Reed. Shran was obviously fantastic. It's a bit sad that there are only a handful characters were even worked out in the series. Hoshi, for instance, has almost no development throughout the whole series, even though I liked her in the beginning.

Trek has a sizable conservative fanbase. Maybe not Trumpian, but definitely Republican, since it is basically about American exceptionalism.

Considering how far left politics in Star Trek are, these must be among the more tolerant conservatives .

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

NX refit is awesome, but I still have a soft spot for the XCV 330:

Always loved that design, looks very much like something that NASA would design if they cracked the alcuberre drive problem

 

[lastplayed]

Trek has a sizable conservative fanbase. Maybe not Trumpian, but definitely Republican, since it is basically about American exceptionalism.

Hmm. It's always had a broad international feel to me, certainly among its fanbase. Or maybe that's just my perspective as a non-American.