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Yeah, so many actors are locked into giant action/super hero franchises for years and years, and they try to do normal roles in-between and just look fucking ridiculous. At least Arnold stayed in his lane.
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Yeah, so many actors are locked into giant action/super hero franchises for years and years, and they try to do normal roles in-between and just look fucking ridiculous. At least Arnold stayed in his lane.
I can't help laughing at the size of the Rock in movies. Like that Katt Williams routine where he talks about Shaq being a sheriff. But my mother loves him so more power to him.
In motion in the Baywatch trailers Effron's body put me off too, but that still of him going round in here I think looks fine.
Cavill, Thor and Battfleck are all inspirational. I know I can never get to those levels without making it my life's priority or juicing (probably both), but no-one is expecting me to because I'm not playing a superhero in a couple hundred million dollar movie.
Movie stars are different to the 80s but it's a different world too. An apprentice for smoko used to have a ciggy and a pie, these days it's a protein shake (as an article here said). Going to the gym used to be for professional sportsmen or a vanity made fun of, now it's just a routine part of life.
In motion in the Baywatch trailers Effron's body put me off too, but that still of him going round in here I think looks fine.
Cavill, Thor and Battfleck are all inspirational. I know I can never get to those levels without making it my life's priority or juicing (probably both), but no-one is expecting me to because I'm not playing a superhero in a couple hundred million dollar movie.
Movie stars are different to the 80s but it's a different world too. An apprentice for smoko used to have a ciggy and a pie, these days it's a protein shake (as an article here said). Going to the gym used to be for professional sportsmen or a vanity made fun of, now it's just a routine part of life.
Musclemen in films has always (edit: since about the 80's, which from my perspective is always 
) been a thing (Arnold, Stallone, Van Damme, a hundred wirey types across dozens of films from the 80's and 90's). It's just now it seems to be a requirement for any role. Even characters who are supposed to be techie shut-ins on television are all cut up and shit. It seems like so much effort, but I guess when you're guaranteed something like $15k a week it's worth it (I think that's the guild's going rate).
But I mean it's hard to sympathize. First off them dudes is getting paid. More money for three-ish months of work than most of us earn in a decade. Second, actresses have had to be wafer thin and super fit for just about any role for like 40 years. And once they hit about 35 unless they already have serious star power they kind of just get ignored - while male actors are usually hitting their stride in their 30's.
) been a thing (Arnold, Stallone, Van Damme, a hundred wirey types across dozens of films from the 80's and 90's). It's just now it seems to be a requirement for any role. Even characters who are supposed to be techie shut-ins on television are all cut up and shit. It seems like so much effort, but I guess when you're guaranteed something like $15k a week it's worth it (I think that's the guild's going rate).But I mean it's hard to sympathize. First off them dudes is getting paid. More money for three-ish months of work than most of us earn in a decade. Second, actresses have had to be wafer thin and super fit for just about any role for like 40 years. And once they hit about 35 unless they already have serious star power they kind of just get ignored - while male actors are usually hitting their stride in their 30's.
DarkArterialGore
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What makes it doubly impressive is that the guy has to keep up this level for entire year. He might get dehydrated for some scenes, but the overall musculature needs to stay on that level. Dude is insane.
Stephen Amell's physique is a bit of an illusion in that gif because of the lighting on the rack, in reality he doesn't have that much muscle mass although he still has a nice body. I was kinda surprised at how soft he looked when he was in a tag match at SummerSlam a couple of years ago, I'm sure part of that is because he's standing next to the wrestler Neville who's in awesome shape but Amell had months to get ripped for this event but looked doughy compared to how he looks on Arrow, so I think it's understandably(why bother when the lighting guy can make you look yoked) more smoke and mirror's on the TV show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jigRNsCV6Xs
Stephen Amell's physique is a bit of an illusion in that gif because of the lighting on the rack, in reality he doesn't have that much muscle mass although he still has a nice body. I was kinda surprised at how soft he looked when he was in a tag match at SummerSlam a couple of years ago, I'm sure part of that is because he's standing next to the wrestler Neville who's in awesome shape but Amell had months to get ripped for this event but looked doughy compared to how he looks on Arrow, so I think it's understandably(why bother when the lighting guy can make you look yoked) more smoke and mirror's on the TV show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jigRNsCV6Xs
He is a pretty big guy. He did an episode of America Ninja Warrior recently where he looked a lot bigger than that wrestling photo. For the show I'm sure he dehydrates and then gets his pump going before shooting those kinds of scenes.
badcrumble
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haven't female stars been wearing corsets and getting plastic surgery and being anorexic for decades
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Goal is to be leaner than last year - https://www.instagram.com/p/BJ-4uMAAdNA/
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He's under 6'.
hendersonhank
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Props to Tom Hardy and Manu Bennett and Mickey Rourke for being, I think, the only actors to admit to using steroids for their roles.
But I'm sure they're the only ones. All those other actors probably just work out and eat clean.
But I'm sure they're the only ones. All those other actors probably just work out and eat clean.
Grenouille
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We might end up reaching comic book level of absurdity where even professor x is chiseled
I made a thread a while back about what level of musculature women find attractive in guys, and my mind was blown when someone linked a study that showed the vast majority of women preferred a body like Brad Pitt from Fight Club:
It's not that I was surprised because I didn't think he was necessarily unattractive, but rather, from my own experiences I thought that he would seem too skinny for most women to prefer. And we're not talking like a bare majority either, but around like 75% of women chose him. But I guess what surprised me even more was that one of the other options, bodybuilder, Frank Zane, was dead last:
Dude got literally 1% of the vote. As someone who grew up watching Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and all those comic book cartoons with super jacked heroes, this came as a great shock to me.
I guess in a way, this makes sense. All those other guys are probably a little too big for most women's tastes. And while I admired their physiques, I can kinda agree they do seem a bit too bulky.
Of course, this is good news for me since that means I don't have to kill myself working 5-10 years to get a physique like Brad's.
(though personally speaking, I think he looked much better in Troy)
It's not that I was surprised because I didn't think he was necessarily unattractive, but rather, from my own experiences I thought that he would seem too skinny for most women to prefer. And we're not talking like a bare majority either, but around like 75% of women chose him. But I guess what surprised me even more was that one of the other options, bodybuilder, Frank Zane, was dead last:
Dude got literally 1% of the vote. As someone who grew up watching Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and all those comic book cartoons with super jacked heroes, this came as a great shock to me.
I guess in a way, this makes sense. All those other guys are probably a little too big for most women's tastes. And while I admired their physiques, I can kinda agree they do seem a bit too bulky.
Of course, this is good news for me since that means I don't have to kill myself working 5-10 years to get a physique like Brad's.
(though personally speaking, I think he looked much better in Troy)
supernormal
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I made a thread a while back about what level of musculature women find attractive in guys, and my mind was blown when someone linked a study that showed the vast majority of women preferred a body like Brad Pitt from Fight Club:
It's not that I was surprised because I didn't think he was necessarily unattractive, but rather, from my own experiences I thought that he would seem too skinny for most women to prefer. And we're not talking like a bare majority either, but around like 75% of women chose him. But I guess what surprised me even more was that one of the other options, bodybuilder, Frank Zane, was dead last:
Dude got literally 1% of the vote. As someone who grew up watching Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and all those comic book cartoons with super jacked heroes, this came as a great shock to me.
I guess in a way, this makes sense. All those other guys are probably a little too big for most women's tastes. And while I admired their physiques, I can kinda agree they do seem a bit too bulky.
Of course, this is good news for me since that means I don't have to kill myself working 5-10 years to get a physique like Brad's.
(though personally speaking, I think he looked much better in Troy)
You also gotta factor in the guy that they used as an example. Brad Pitt is gonna get a the vote no matter what shape he's in. The guy just looks good. On the other hand all the guys in Magic Mike are bigger than Pitt in Fight Club and I've never seen any girl complain about them being too buff.
We might end up reaching comic book level of absurdity where even professor x is chiseled
Someone mentioned earlier how the athletic female look never caught on in Hollywood, and it's probably for some of the same reasons (and I may be wrong)- we tend to associate thinness with youth, and well, all those muscles can come off looking unnatural. (Zane was very likely on gear by reputable accounts- steroid use in bodybuilding has been a thing since the '50s and probably earlier)
BUT, even if a smaller number of men/women are attracted to the (overly) muscular physique, there's fewer people with it available compared to your Brad Pitts/etc. so the competition for them is fiercer.
I thought about that too, but it turns out they covered each of their faces.
Still, anyone who saw Fight Club would easily recognize Brad, so...
Elegant Weapon
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Why wouldn't Professor X get it in though?
It's one thing to train teenagers for war in a death trap training facility called the Danger Room, but he can't even hit the pull-up bar because he's in an alien tech wheelchair?
It's one thing to train teenagers for war in a death trap training facility called the Danger Room, but he can't even hit the pull-up bar because he's in an alien tech wheelchair?
We might end up reaching comic book level of absurdity where even professor x is chiseled
What's wrong with that? He has trained in the Danger Room, especially after his consciousness was transferred to a cloned body.
Grenouille
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Him being a middle aged mentor figure whose power is mental, not physical, makes me think that he shouldn't look that ripped. Magneto being super ripped has always not looked right for me either.
that wasn't the point. thinking that wouldn't make sense.
We might end up reaching comic book level of absurdity where even professor x is chiseled
Thinking paraplegics can't be in shape brehs.
Morrigan Stark
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That should not remotely surprise anyone who uh, talks to women every now and then. No offense lol... I guess my mind is a bit blown that your mind is blownI made a thread a while back about what level of musculature women find attractive in guys, and my mind was blown when someone linked a study that showed the vast majority of women preferred a body like Brad Pitt from Fight Club:
It's not that I was surprised because I didn't think he was necessarily unattractive, but rather, from my own experiences I thought that he would seem too skinny for most women to prefer. And we're not talking like a bare majority either, but around like 75% of women chose him.
Elegant Weapon
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Ok, I definitely have to agree that Xavier doesn't need abs that show from under his shirt & especially that super jacked Magneto freaks me out.
Bruce Springsteen
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That should not remotely surprise anyone who uh, talks to women every now and then. No offense lol... I guess my mind is a bit blown that your mind is blown
But...but media portrayals? D:
We might end up reaching comic book level of absurdity where even professor x is chiseled
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I made a thread a while back about what level of musculature women find attractive in guys, and my mind was blown when someone linked a study that showed the vast majority of women preferred a body like Brad Pitt from Fight Club:
It's not that I was surprised because I didn't think he was necessarily unattractive, but rather, from my own experiences I thought that he would seem too skinny for most women to prefer. And we're not talking like a bare majority either, but around like 75% of women chose him. But I guess what surprised me even more was that one of the other options, bodybuilder, Frank Zane, was dead last:
Dude got literally 1% of the vote. As someone who grew up watching Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and all those comic book cartoons with super jacked heroes, this came as a great shock to me.
I guess in a way, this makes sense. All those other guys are probably a little too big for most women's tastes. And while I admired their physiques, I can kinda agree they do seem a bit too bulky.
Of course, this is good news for me since that means I don't have to kill myself working 5-10 years to get a physique like Brad's.
(though personally speaking, I think he looked much better in Troy)
Brad Pitt in Fight Club is so fucking hot it's stupid.
Troy Pitt, is GOAT Pitt
Morrigan Stark
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Long-haired Pitt > short-haired Pitt
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the_sun_king
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I made a thread a while back about what level of musculature women find attractive in guys, and my mind was blown when someone linked a study that showed the vast majority of women preferred a body like Brad Pitt from Fight Club:
It's not that I was surprised because I didn't think he was necessarily unattractive, but rather, from my own experiences I thought that he would seem too skinny for most women to prefer.
I'm not surprised in the least by that response; you just need to know some women. Personally, Pitt's look in Fight Club is my physique goal.
I'm not sure why this is surprising? Look at models, look at the men widely considered the most attractive by the general public. It's not that big muscles aren't attractive, but they're not really a magnifier of attractiveness and the fit, slim physique seems to be way more popular with the ladies (and men).I made a thread a while back about what level of musculature women find attractive in guys, and my mind was blown when someone linked a study that showed the vast majority of women preferred a body like Brad Pitt from Fight Club:
It's not that I was surprised because I didn't think he was necessarily unattractive, but rather, from my own experiences I thought that he would seem too skinny for most women to prefer. And we're not talking like a bare majority either, but around like 75% of women chose him. But I guess what surprised me even more was that one of the other options, bodybuilder, Frank Zane, was dead last:
Dude got literally 1% of the vote. As someone who grew up watching Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and all those comic book cartoons with super jacked heroes, this came as a great shock to me.
I guess in a way, this makes sense. All those other guys are probably a little too big for most women's tastes. And while I admired their physiques, I can kinda agree they do seem a bit too bulky.
Of course, this is good news for me since that means I don't have to kill myself working 5-10 years to get a physique like Brad's.
(though personally speaking, I think he looked much better in Troy)
My personal opinion would be along those lines. Slim swimmer physiques are more attractive to me than bodybuilding physiques.
UnemployedVillain
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I'm thinking more Tom Daley. He's a diver, though.
Again, it's only my preference, but that kind of body is way more attractive to me than a bodybuilder body.
You can absolutely put on LBM without gaining fat it's just more difficult. Beginners can gain LBM while losing fat at a pretty decent rate. More advanced individuals can put on small amounts of LBM while losing weight very slowly if their training, nutrition and recovery are on point.
Alright, let me clarify- in most cases, it's not possible to put on LBM without fat. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/adding-muscle-while-losing-fat-qa.html/
But no, every single thing I've read in the past ten years from seemingly reputable sites states that putting on LBM (without the use of drugs) means putting on at least some, if just a relatively small amount of fat. There's a reason why people still cut, even "lean gainers". I've yet to come across reliable evidence to the contrary (ignoring very specific situations like the ones mentioned above), but I am open so if you have the research/links on hand.
EDIT: Also, trying to put on LBM without an ounce of fat just isn't something a person should strive for (once again, in most cases). The reality is that you'll end up limiting muscle gain over time, instead of maximizing it while still having to deal with the eventual cut. (Which you can mitigate by being careful with your macros/calorie surplus) http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html/
johancruijff
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more than 1k answers and i still don't understand how is this a problem
Crimson_Gold
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Because pushups are hard and basic fitness is unreasonable. At least that's the course the thread has taken.
In all seriousness, many times an actor is trying to portray a particular character with a certain build. They go through rigorous training to achieve the build. Exercise, diet and supplements of some variety. It's for entertainment. Men are not being forced to absurd beauty or fitness standards outside of acting. Bartolo Colon is proof that you can be any shape or size and make it. Unless you're a Mets player or fan
BewareTheBatsie
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to give amell credit pretty much anyone looks lackluster when put up next to neville and his 'how the fuck has he not been suspended yet' bodyStephen Amell's physique is a bit of an illusion in that gif because of the lighting on the rack, in reality he doesn't have that much muscle mass although he still has a nice body. I was kinda surprised at how soft he looked when he was in a tag match at SummerSlam a couple of years ago, I'm sure part of that is because he's standing next to the wrestler Neville who's in awesome shape but Amell had months to get ripped for this event but looked doughy compared to how he looks on Arrow, so I think it's understandably(why bother when the lighting guy can make you look yoked) more smoke and mirror's on the TV show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jigRNsCV6Xs
Stephen Amell's physique is a bit of an illusion in that gif because of the lighting on the rack, in reality he doesn't have that much muscle mass although he still has a nice body. I was kinda surprised at how soft he looked when he was in a tag match at SummerSlam a couple of years ago, I'm sure part of that is because he's standing next to the wrestler Neville who's in awesome shape but Amell had months to get ripped for this event but looked doughy compared to how he looks on Arrow, so I think it's understandably(why bother when the lighting guy can make you look yoked) more smoke and mirror's on the TV show...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jigRNsCV6Xs
I'm pretty sure Summerslam also occurred during Arrow's off-season, so Amell probably wasn't in show-ready shape then either.
Michelangelo's Davide has thicker arms. That's the only thing that looks "weird" to me on that diver's photo. He still looks pretty fit and probably damn healthy though.
I will preface this with saying that gaining weight at least very slowly is probably the most efficient way to build muscle mass in the long run in most situations.
Greg Nuckols references some studies in this video with Omar Isuf where already trained lifters managed to gain muscle mass in a caloric deficit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvcqQB43390&ab_channel=OmarIsuf
Unfortunately I do not have any research links myself, but I consider Greg Nuckols to be pretty knowledgable about training and nutrition with regards to getting bigger and stronger and I don't believe that he would mislead others intentionally.
I've been following Lyle's stuff for years too and as I said above a caloric surplus isn't the best situation to build muscle in but I think it is still possible. Context is important and there will be a few factors going into this. A few that I can think of off the top of my head are:
Body fat percentage - The fatter you are the easier it will be to build muscle in a deficit as you have more energy available to build muscle with the fatter you are.
Caloric deficit - I think even relatively advanced lifters could build muscle at a 100 cal deficit per day if they weren't already very lean (practically speaking ofc this is hard to achieve with variable activity levels), a 1500 calorie deficit would make it a lot more difficult, at this large of a deficit an advanced lifter is just happy to keep the muscle they have.
Other recovery factors: Things such as sleep quality and stress levels
Training volume per bodypart: If we consider an advanced drug free powerlifter with a relatively high FFMI who has only been training their biceps with 4 overloading sets weekly and has relatively underdeveloped biceps. They then start cutting at a small deficit and start doing 10 overloading sets weekly I think it is perfectly reasonable for them to see bicep growth as they are losing weight slowly. These extra bicep sets will not be that taxing in terms of overall recovery but they have increased their bicep volume by 150% and volume is a major driver of hypertrophy.
When we are in a caloric deficit or surplus the body isn't constantly in either state, you have periods where you are in both a deficit and a surplus in both, the deficit or surplus is just the net result.
To quote Greg Nuckols again "This is especially important for more experienced lifters, because muscle protein synthesis returns to baseline within a day or so (usually two days at most), whereas it stays elevated for a longer period of time in new lifters."
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/grow-like-a-new-lifter-again/
I have heard Menno Henselmans say that their is evidence to suggest that MPS remains elevated for even shorter periods of time for advanced lifters in a few podcasts but I have no links on hand I'm afraid.
As MPS remains elevated for shorter periods of time you can time your nutrition so that you can consume a significant amount of calories and protein when MPS is elevated the most and consume less when it is at baseline levels or close to. This is difficult to do but will aid gaining muscle in a deficit even for more advanced lifters.
Bruce Springsteen
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Surprised Justin Theroux hasn't been mentioned
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People care way too much about how other people perceive them
not necessarily relating this to the article, I'm just talking in general about some of the responses and discussion in this thread
it always amazes me to see guys struggle to comprehend that you can get with amazing, attractive girls and not be ripped or jacked in the slightest
some of the hottest and coolest girls I know are with guys that barely even hit the gym
not necessarily relating this to the article, I'm just talking in general about some of the responses and discussion in this thread
it always amazes me to see guys struggle to comprehend that you can get with amazing, attractive girls and not be ripped or jacked in the slightest
some of the hottest and coolest girls I know are with guys that barely even hit the gym
Bruce Springsteen
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I don't think anyone denies that is more than 1 factor that goes into a man and woman being together
a lot of young guys genuinely believe that you don't even have a shot at getting your foot in the door if you're not 6'0+ and hitting the gym 5x a week
i see self-defeating attitudes like this on forums and reddit almost every day
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