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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster |DT2| oh dear...

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Jawmuncher

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The better question to ask is what kind of news will we see here this weekend? and will it result in throwing more fuel on the PR fire that the game is currently going through?

At this point with the game coming out in two months, Capcom needs to get to revealing things that will get people hyped for the game and to try and alleviate the hell the game has gotten over the course of this last month. We need to see characters that will get people excited to play as while also ensuring that they aren't all going to be locked behind a pay wall (since we still have four slots open). They also need to reveal tons more gameplay and to throw that into the hands of the pros since it isn't helping that everyone is mashing Square or X to do 8 hit combos and nothing else.



In some degree, yes.

19f
I agree.
They bette show off capcom newcomers. Along with some Gamora gameplay and the next DLC character. We need something to give hype after the lackluster stuff so far
 

mas8705

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I agree.
They better show off capcom newcomers. Along with some Gamora gameplay and the next DLC character. We need something to give hype after the lackluster stuff so far

Not to throw Capcom under the bus, but "Lackluster" feels like an understatement at this point. With how the game has been handled up to this point, some would use the term "Insulting" considering how it has left people questioning what Capcom is thinking if we are really going to see X, Jedah, and "Monster Hunter" and that's it while we are seeing so many fancy brand new characters on Marvel's side. Meanwhile, you can easily nitpick the art style, how some characters look butt ugly, the lack of legacy characters (i.e. X-Men) and the excuse given as to try and justify it via "Functions" rather than just stating it outright as they should have done. By trying to side step the reasons and adding in an excuse, you have found ways to get the fanbased as confused as they are pissed off for the "reasoning" behind the choices being made.

As such, Capcom needs to turn the safety off and start revealing the things that will get people excited for the game if they want to turn things around for them before we hit September. Hell knows that if they reveal just one character that isn't part of the DLC package and wasn't part of that leaked roster, that could be the first step in turning it around for them.
 

Seyavesh

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the main news is gonna be all the actual layman impressions of the game coming out from the evo floor. i've got no doubt it's gonna be wildly positive but i also get the feeling the basic shit i really disliked from the story demo will remain unchanged so man that's gonna suck not seein' anyone else have those issues but at the very least i'll know firsthand if they did end up fixing that or if it's just the showfloor effect on folks
 

Chavelo

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Gonna give this game one last chance at EVO and try to get a couple games in of the demo build and see how it fares out. Otherwise, I'll just stick with Tekken and Xrd for the rest of the year.
 

Jawmuncher

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I think there's enough content for them to show a decent amount off at Evo/D23 and more for Comic Con. No reason to hold off on all the newcomers for one event and showing off gameplay for an already revealed character is a lame move as "new content".
 
Not revealing an obscure character from an obscure fighting game at what might be the biggest western gathering of fans of said fighting game seems like a pretty Capcom thing to do.
 

jett

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Man I thought you were a Capcom game aficionado.

This is what Nero brings to the table that is different from the other DMC characters:

*He has charged shots on his Blue Rose that is similar to Zero/MMX charging Busters. LVL2 charge has a knockback but LVL3 has a powerful knockback and it sticks an explosive napalm on them that after some time causes a big explosion and they wall bounce.

It would be like shooting someone with Buster, which causes a wall bounce and then after a while it explodes and causes a ground bounce. He can do it in the air or on the ground.

*He has a Devil Bringer which works like Spencer's arm in that he can use to grapple to places or he can pull enemies in. It's a lot faster than Spencer's arm in that regard especially when it comes to pulling.

He is also the ONLY DMC character that has actual grabs and he can also use his Devil Bringer as counters/reversals. Like he can actually grip projectiles and throw them back at enemies.

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*All of his sword normals can be charged up manually or with timing. Manual charging looks kinda like this:

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On the top side of the HUD you can see a Nero exclusive mechanic which is his EX bar. He can store 3 stocks in there that boosts his next attack into fiery, stronger versions of them. Some attacks get triple the benefit with triple stocks like Streak and High Roller.

However no one actually manually charges in combat... that's non stylish for a DMC game. Instead we have timing based revs where if you time the button with a previous attack, you gain a stock. HOWEVER, with just frame timing you can get 3 stocks instantly! It's a very difficult and timing intensive mechanic because of it but highly rewarding of course.

Again no one in a DMC game has something like this.


*Nero's Devil Trigger is unique in that he summons a stand as a DT, which no other DMC character can do. The stand mimics Neros' actions but the attacks are different because the stand is a demon using the Yamato sword, not the Red Queen. That means you get special Devil Trigger only attacks through that "stand". His grabs are enchanced with DT too (like that Final Atomic Buster he is doing, that is because of the stand... regular version would be very basic).

Nero's DT also throws summoned swords like projectiles whenever he uses gun shots. Different charges of the gun shots throw different amount of swords.


*Nero also has some more exclusive mechanics like Table Hopper which is a timing intensive dodge mechanic that gives you far better recover/frame data on your dodges than a roll would. In the first gif I posted he is using Table Hopper, that's what it looks like when you time it right.

He can also hold enemies as a shield (the Aegis ability) with his Devil Bringer and still freely engage in combat because the DB acts autonomous to him.

He has a Shuffle move which is an evasive attack that dashes him back for an attack but it can be jump canceled out of making for some interesting plays. This is something that is far more valuable in a fighting game than in a DMC game.



Basically Nero is custom built for a fighting game like a Marvel game. He has all the tools already. I mean yea he has the DMC standards like Helm Breaker and Stinger like move (his is a lot different though) but overall he plays very different from both Dante and Vergil. The fact that they can make him into a pseudo mid range character plus grappler would be nice because this game is lacking in grapplers as it is.



VF has like an 8 frame input buffer and still has just frame moves.

Nah man nah.

I want to thank you for this post! Nero is such a deeply unappreciated character. I've always preferred using him over Dante or Vergil even in DMC4.
 
If Jedah were somehow revealed at EVO, people would just complain about the lack of gore in his moves. It'd be just another downer for the people that seemingly want this game to flop.
 
Without dismemberment, how would Jedah play anyway?

Jedah's graphic dismemberment is only for a few things. Really the only thing that would have to be removed entirely would be the decapitation thing and maybe the blood pump. The attack where his arm kind of explodes could probably work fine if you make it kind of neon blood, and his wrist slit could work mechanically the same if they just have him shooting neon blood-like substitute and just not make it obvious that he's slitting his wrists.
 

mas8705

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Not revealing an obscure character from an obscure fighting game at what might be the biggest western gathering of fans of said fighting game seems like a pretty Capcom thing to do.

If that's what happens, then forget about shooting yourself in the foot; might as well drop a grenade by your feet and count to five.

Mind you that "Will Capcom actually consider a thing" and... well, not to say that getting burnt on Double Cross still has me a bit upset (not that I care since I'm hyped for World), but Capcom does have a pretty bad happen of doing such things where at times when we are expecting huge announcements, there's nothing to be had.

Not too sure what to say about Jedah though. I'm sure that if he is a popular character, then I might get it, but it feels weird to include a darkstalker that has been mostly left out of the MvC series for some time now and to suddenly throw him into the mix. But if he is a crazy character, then there might be some hope.
 
Nero is a better pick than the vast majority of Capcom characters.


Which means he most likely won't be in the game.



I actually hate him as a character in the plotline, but his gameplay is loads of fun. He definitely should have been in the game over Spencer in 3.
 

shaowebb

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All I want from EVO MVCI news is for every leak to be wrong. I want to see actual NEW unnannounced roster show up and not be DLC. I wanna see mutants and FF stuff. I dont want functions and repeats flooding this show. I want actual NEWs. Emphasis on the NEW.
 

Lulubop

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All I want from EVO MVCI news is for every leak to be wrong. I want to see actual NEW unnannounced roster show up and not be DLC. I wanna see mutants and FF stuff. I dont want functions and repeats flooding this show. I want actual NEWs. Emphasis on the NEW.

I mean it's obviously right, doesn't mean it was the entire thing
 

mas8705

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All I want from EVO MVCI news is for every leak to be wrong. I want to see actual NEW unnannounced roster show up and not be DLC. I wanna see mutants and FF stuff. I dont want functions and repeats flooding this show. I want actual NEWs. Emphasis on the NEW.

After the last leak, it did cause alot of issues (with the only saving throw being Zero, but apparently he was included in that leak list later alongside with others).

I'm with you though: if we see at least one random character that was no where shown in the leak list and is apart of the initial roster and not just a DLC add on, then there could be something that could be salvaged here.

...

Now the chances of that happening this weekend? *quiet cough* But I want to be proven wrong and that we do see something!
 

Dahbomb

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Akuma has been part of the most hype moments in Marvel 3.

Akuma and Phoenix but Phoenix on the opposite end (where people get hyped when she gets clipped). Sentinel as well mostly because people write him off and then he always pulls off a "thank gawd for the machine".
 

mas8705

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So was Tron. At Evo, no less.

New game. New hype. New opportunities. That nigga Spencer did not need to return.

Part of me wonders if the only reason why he was brought back was just so that you have have people yell out "ARM!!!" or "THIS! IS IT!!!" again if he lands a super move?
 

Village

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nero has a stand?

need to really play through dmc4, but that would mean actually playing games I bought on steam, which is passe
You should play DMC4SE

Its dope.

I guess I'm the expectional example! :p. I always try touch on many fighting games as I could. Also there are other genre I would like to play. DMC unfortunately don't click with me.

huh? Alright, neat. If I may inquire, what is it about those types of games that don't quite click with ya?
 

JayEH

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I think Spencer was fine for MVC3. He was a breath of fresh air in that game.

He didn't need to return in Infinite.

made sense since there was just a new bionic commando a couple years before 3. This game has no new Capcom characters introduced since 2011. So sad.
 

Mugy

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Game its out in september, and we barely know the entire roster, theres almost NOT artwork, not knowckledge of extra modes, etc.

This is just a joke
 
Part of me wonders if the only reason why he was brought back was just so that you have have people yell out "ARM!!!" or "THIS! IS IT!!!" again if he lands a super move?

I just assumed that Combofiend being on the development team guaranteed Spencer a spot. He was the one who put him on the map, so they likely brought him back for that reasoning alone. His "Bionic Arm" is so whack. No emotion or power behind it like MVC3.

made sense since there was just a new bionic commando a couple years before 3. This game has no new Capcom characters introduced since 2011. So sad.

Yeah, that part really bothers me. No one has an issue with recycling if the roster is big. There is a huge problem with it when it represents the majority of your roster in a new game, though. I have no idea what they were thinking.
 

Mugy

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My point is that this game feels like its existing just to make profit of the brand. There's not fan-favorites, and the game just doesn't feel like marvel .vs capcom. I just cannot believe we are missing Asura, Wesker, Super Skrull (THIS was a fresh air character IMO), all-time requested like Daredevil, etc.

Instead we got...Gamora...a Thanos that look even shittier, and Rocket Racoon.

Know, i do like Ultron, X, Black Phanter and Sigma (or Vile would have been good). But this roster its just a joke. Its feel so poor made.
 

Neoxon

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My point is that this game feels like its existing just to make profit of the brand. There's not fan-favorites, and the game just doesn't feel like marvel .vs capcom. I just cannot believe we are missing Asura, Wesker, Super Skrull (THIS was a fresh air character IMO), all-time requested like Daredevil, etc.

Instead we got...Gamora...a Thanos that look even shittier, and Rocket Racoon.

Know, i do like Ultron, X, Black Phanter and Sigma (or Vile would have been good). But this roster its just a joke. Its feel so poor made.
To be fair, Super-Skrull was also caught up in the Fox nonsense (& he may have it even worse now that Marvel's doubling down on banning F4 characters). But Thanos actually looks pretty legit.
 

enzo_gt

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Game its out in september, and we barely know the entire roster, theres almost NOT artwork, not knowckledge of extra modes, etc.

This is just a joke
- Not knowing the full roster two months out is totally reasonable and normal
- No artwork sucks, but at best is just another symptom of a small budget, it's not really something that changes your opinion about a game alone pre-release, or at least a really stupid point of contention
- What extra modes, specifically? They've been pretty up front about what modes are in the game and we've known them for months upon months now. Everything standard is in there, and anything new would be gimmick modes probably and unanticipated anyways.
 

Jawmuncher

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- Not knowing the full roster two months out is totally reasonable and normal
- No artwork sucks, but at best is just another symptom of a small budget, it's not really something that changes your opinion about a game alone pre-release, or at least a really stupid point of contention
- What extra modes, specifically? They've been pretty up front about what modes are in the game and we've known them for months upon months now. Everything standard is in there, and anything new would be gimmick modes probably and unanticipated anyways.

When it comes to modes I think it's more a "They could show them off a little bit" kind of thing.
 

Jawmuncher

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Short marketing makes sense. TV ads and such the month or weeks before the release so it's in the public mind.

The stuff people are asking for wouldn't be considered into that. Some more videos on youtube that aren't from a camera isn't going to destroy their budget. I think that's a bigger complaint most are having.

There's just a lot of little things they could be doing to help themselves along.
 

patchday

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I dont reckon we'll see another $40 preorder sale?The Amazon one was halted like the day it was opened up (I guess they hit some quota). Now its back up to $54 which seems a bit much for this. only reason I'm intrigued is by the tag feature which is sorely lacking from all modern fighters to my knowledge. none of my current fighters have Tagging- IJ2, GG Xrd, skullgirls, T7, & etc.

guess I could get UMvC 3 but it looks a tiny bit fugly to my eyes in the videos I've watched
 

mas8705

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My point is that this game feels like its existing just to make profit of the brand. There's not fan-favorites, and the game just doesn't feel like marvel .vs capcom. I just cannot believe we are missing Asura, Wesker, Super Skrull (THIS was a fresh air character IMO), all-time requested like Daredevil, etc.

Instead we got...Gamora...a Thanos that look even shittier, and Rocket Racoon.

Know, i do like Ultron, X, Black Phanter and Sigma (or Vile would have been good). But this roster its just a joke. Its feel so poor made.

Honestly, we need to see how Gamora first plays before we start throwing her under the bus. For all we know, she could be totally badass (but Capcom was kind of dumb to not show her in actual gameplay and just kept her in just the story trailer). As for Thanos, I have heard alot of people liking him since he isn't throwing around bubbles like he did during the "Marvel Super Heroes" age.

Still, it isn't to say that you're wrong since honestly outside of X, I don't think I have seen anyone get hyped over any new character that has been revealed (mainly because we haven't gotten many new characters, especially on the Capcom side) while those that we have gotten are being regulated as add-on content as possible "On-Disk DLC."

I don't think that last part has been confirmed or not, but if Black Panther is in Story mode (as Sigma will likely be too), it would be fair thing to guess that Capcom might be trying to pull a trick that we all see coming a mile away.
 

Neoxon

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I think the promotional art budget went towards the variant covers, which actually look pretty good from the ones we've seen.
 
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