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What 'Spider-Man's 73% Fri-to-Fri Fall Means For Sony, Marvel, And other Cape films

LionPride

Banned
I don't think you can blame Apes for that big of a drop. ANd not sure how a future movie can also be blamed. It was just a front loaded cbm. I would say it's spidey fatigue. The fans showed up opening weekend but the rest just aren't as interested as we thought.

Three/four straight weeks of movies that people wanna see and average people ain't ballin like that, plus possible Spider-Man fatigue, could have led to this

It shouldn't be a big worry though, like at all
 

kswiston

Member
The article is a bit sensational.

Spider-Man Homecoming is currently at $208M domestic. Amazing Spider-Man 2 only made $203M total. Amazing Spider-Man 1 made $262M

Homecoming will be around $250M by the end of next weekend, and will pass Amazing Spider-Man 1 shortly after that (potentially before its fourth weekend).
 

Ashhong

Member
This is all very retroactive points. Apes isn't some massive competition be real now, Transformers unexpectedly underperformed massively, same with pirates.

Spiderman has Apes Dunkirk and freaking vlerian as nearby competition, lets not kid ourselves Wonder woman would have kicked just as much ass under those cirmsumstances.

This. Apes is a great franchise for sure. But since when did it become some kind of box office eater? Would it have eaten into a new Avengers movie? Doubt it. Even Guardians would have been fine in this time slot
 

gamz

Member
I think people are growing tired of standalone marvel films.

I certainly am, haven't watch Homecoming yet. The last i watched was Gotg2, while fun, felt too much the samey marvel.

I think it's probably because it's another reboot in the short time span. But it's still going to do well.

Wonder Woman has been amazing all summer. Crazy it's still kicking.
 

J_Viper

Member
Tom Holland’s Peter Parker a bit over-eager and even screechy at times

I like Tom, but I agree. There's a few times in the movie where he lets his voice go too high pitched.

I hope the Russos have him turn it down a notch.
 
You know, I liked it but I don't have an urge to see it again and didn't hype it up to other folks and tell them they need to see it.

And with a week away from it, I guess it really didn't grab me as much as I had hoped. I wanted the PS4 Spider-Man on the big screen. I got a lesser suit that tried being too much created by not Peter Parker.

Not a great Spider-Man origin story but a decent "struggles of Peter Parker" flick.
 

JB1981

Member
Yea man Homecoming's second weekend was impacted by a movie that's not even out yet. Wtf am I reading in this thread 😂
 

Gin-Shiio

Member
The Statue of Liberty is French.

MY HOLLAND TIS OF THEE

SWEET SPIDER'S LIBERTY

OF THEE I THWIP

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You can make a ton of money and still miss expectations. They didnt see the kind of growth from the first avengers that they expected if i remember correctly.

Which feels dumb. The Avengers was the first of its kind, it seems stupid to expect everyone who saw that movie and got it to its historic BO take would return for a sequel, with even more friends who didn't see the first one.

I always figured if AoU could make a billion, even though it'd be less than the first film's, that'd be a pretty damn successful movie. CW's success last year should be more proof that these movies are fine.
 

mreddie

Member
REMINDER: Marvel isn't seeing the money, Sony is and it's already beaten the grosses of ASM series and coming for the Raimi films and Sony needed a hit becuase everything has tanked this year for them...

They aren't complaining.
 

LionPride

Banned
REMINDER: Marvel isn't seeing the money, Sony is and it's already beaten the grosses of ASM series and coming for the Raimi films and Sony needed a hit becuase everything has tanked this year for them...

They aren't complaining.
At all

Like at all
 

yuraya

Member
There is really no excuse for Homecoming. The marketing for the movie was like 3x larger than anything else this summer too. They were showing his ads during every single commercial break of the NBA finals.
 
This. Apes is a great franchise for sure. But since when did it become some kind of box office eater? Would it have eaten into a new Avengers movie? Doubt it. Even Guardians would have been fine in this time slot
The last Apes film made $72 million on its opening weekend and $710 million worldwide.
 
Or maybe, just maybe, high school spidey isnt the magic ticket gaf thinks it is.
It isn't. What keeps me going to the theater is the swinging and action and visuals/effects.

The effects here were a bit janky early in the film and there wasn't a lot of swinging action to get me back in a seat. It's unfortunate. I hope it doesn't affect a sequel that could correct these issues... unless it's more of the same.

And AI suit was a turn off.
 

Loudninja

Member
REMINDER: Marvel isn't seeing the money, Sony is and it's already beaten the grosses of ASM series and coming for the Raimi films and Sony needed a hit becuase everything has tanked this year for them...

They aren't complaining.
Not to mention the upcoming game,Spider-Man really needed this reboot.
 

3N16MA

Banned
Homecoming is going to be a success regardless of its legs (thanks to a solid OW). Weak legs are a bit more concerning for the sequel. It's possible it opens below 117M if interest doesn't pickup between films.

You could end up with solo Spider-Man films grossing sub 300M (maybe mid 200M) which I doubt Sony and Marvel expected.
 

kunonabi

Member
Which feels dumb. The Avengers was the first of its kind, it seems stupid to expect everyone who saw that movie and got it to its historic BO take would return for a sequel, with even more friends who didn't see the first one.

I always figured if AoU could make a billion, even though it'd be less than the first film's, that'd be a pretty damn successful movie. CW's success last year should be more proof that these movies are fine.

It is dumb but thus is hollywood.
 
They need to stop rebooting the franchise. The first reboot was too soon. When ASM was shown, I recall most people saying that they weren't ready for another spiderman and that Tobey Maguire will always be spiderman to them. A lot of people rolled their eyes and said 'again? Another reboot?' when trailers started airing for this. Although this purely anecdotal from work, friends, family, etc.
 

Farsi

Member
It’s just another Marvel movie.

I know, I know, but this isn’t a hot take anymore. It was in 2015, but not anymore.
 
That's a shame. Probably has everything to do with Spiderman and Marvel Superhero fatigue. Maybe crowds didn't find the "small stakes" very appealing? Whatever the case, I'm sure Sony will get the wrong idea about it.
 
Also, that drop number is including preview numbers from last Thursday, which was around 11-12 million IIRC. So the drop isn't actually 72%.
 

LionPride

Banned
This. Apes is a great franchise for sure. But since when did it become some kind of box office eater? Would it have eaten into a new Avengers movie? Doubt it. Even Guardians would have been fine in this time slot
Yo those Apes movies make bank
 

Nipo

Member
Logan's changing the formula made me realize how tired of the normal superhero genre. I'll catch them on home video at this point but the tropes and pacing need to either evolve or die.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Making a thread out of this article is silly. It's blatant clickbait.

The 73% fall from Friday to Friday is an unfair comparison as the first Friday includes Thursday night previews. It ended up actually dropping 61% from weekend to weekend (which still includes Thursday night). It's a bit more than Sony would have hoped but it also had big competition from Apes.

It's already passed ASM2's domestic total. The movie is a huge success.

So no, Homecoming's specific 73% fall from Friday to Friday literally means nothing for Sony, Marvel and other cape films.

Edit: The truth is, we should all be happy that good movies are doing well this summer.
 

mreddie

Member
Logan's changing the formula made me realize how tired of the normal superhero genre. I'll catch them on home video at this point but the tropes and pacing need to either evolve or die.

They did for this, nothing was the typical BAD GUY WILL DESTROY THE WORLD in this.
 

kunonabi

Member
Reboot with Spider Woman is clearly the answer.

As much as i love classic Spider-Woman I have zero faith in a mcu or sony film to not screw her up.

To be honest I would have actually gone to the movie if it was a Spiderling flick with Peter and Mary Jane Watson as supporting characters.
 
This. Apes is a great franchise for sure. But since when did it become some kind of box office eater? Would it have eaten into a new Avengers movie? Doubt it. Even Guardians would have been fine in this time slot

Compared to Transformers which already performed poorly with its last entry, a poorly reviewed Mummy reboot, and Pirates - it's easy to see a well reviewed Apes film being bigger competition.

If anything, arguing against that premise in 2017 is the harder argument to make. We've seen enough credence that RT can break your film, or it can make your film (See: Baby Driver).
 

Loudninja

Member
Nah the game doing some different compare to the movie which already make it better .
Spidey is not is damn high school .
Don't think this movie would have really effect the game either way .
I mean that good Spider-Man movie and a potently good Spider-Man game its good for the character.
 
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