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"Why Does Everyone Hate Mercy?" [Overwatch exploration of support stigma/misogyny]

Mendrox

Member
Mercy is a bad character for this game.

Bet you're a mccree main who thinks he's hot shit. Would be nothing without your mercy healing you. Healing is harder than clicking heads.

Healing is harder than clicking heads. lol

All the other support characters need more skill than somebody playing Mercy.
 

Bisnic

Really Really Exciting Member!
I hate fighting against an enemy team that has Mercy, but it's only because of her Res and how fast she can get that up.

But the worst is when you play Mystery Heroes and the enemy team ends up with 2-3 Mercy. Fucking raging material lol.
 

Jellie

Member
Sorry to burst your bubble but Mercy is the easiest healer in the game... clicking heads in high elo isn't easy as you think. When there are platinum mercys who climb to Top 500 in one season, you know somethings wrong with that character AND the matchmaking system. You can become insane with some healers (Lucio (stance switching), Ana (since she aims, coordinates ults with someone), (Zenyatta (since he has to discord and call out targets... All mercy has to do is get good at hiding and press q; thus why is she is so relevant and abused right now because of the invuln buff.
If you heal badly they die. If you miss a head you can shoot again.
 

Strakt

Member
If you heal badly they die. If you miss a head you can shoot again.

How do you heal badly? You don't even need to aim (shoot) your heal, you just hold a button on your ally and fly to them . Its as brain dead as a healer can get. Res doesn't need aiming either; you just stay in the area and press q when everyone dies. Please stop arguing; you just sound like a person defending their favorite character in the game.. a character thats broken right now and being abused like crazy. Every top 500 player can agree that mercy is the most brain dead character in the game right now whether you like it or not.
 

Gaz_RB

Member
If you heal badly they die. If you miss a head you can shoot again.

Not if you play Mercy. If you heal badly, just hit Q and voila!

And sure you can just shoot again, but maybe the guy you missed just dropped an ult or picked off your healer or killed you.
 

pizzacat

Banned
lol.

Good jokes. The skill ceiling on a dps player is far higher than Mercy.

In fact, I think all the other healers take more skill than her.

you would think wrong

dps in this game equates to a qte from telltales the walking dead, healing as mercy guardian angle dash canceling, ninja rezzing, melee dash cancelling its all at the top of the skill ceiling for this game

anyone who says otherwise is obviously a normie
 

Meia

Member
Mercy sucks because she invalidates the other healers and the meta is almost exclusively focused around her resurrect which can completely save a game for a team over and over again.

You can play another healer....but only if you already have a Mercy.


Because this is a totally different situation than with Lucio, the only healer that can provide a speed boost, or Ana who could heal up a tank from near dead to full in 2 seconds.


That being said, they had to nerf Lucio like 4 or 5 times(including a slight rework) to get him somewhat under control, and the same to Ana. They've also come out and said that Mercy isn't in that good a position right now, and that something probably needs to be done about her current ult(not fun to hide when near full to pop res, not fun to an amazing team play being negated by one Q press), so we'll see what they do with her.


Ultimately healing is really hard to balance in the game. For them to change her Ult to something else, they'd probably NEED for her to be the strongest single target healer in the game without question since she has nothing else and has to maintain a really close distance to what she's healing. "She's easy to play" because she has nothing else in her kit, unlike the other healers.
 
you would think wrong

dps in this game equates to a qte from telltales the walking dead healing as mercy guardian angle dash canceling, ninja rezzing, melee dash cancelling its all at the top of the skill ceiling for this game

anyone who says otherwise is obviously a normie

Lmfao what in the entire fuck

I feel like you have to go out of your way to be a bad Mercy. Either that or you're just pocketing your bud.
 

pizzacat

Banned
Everyone loves Mercy!


Everyone hates Roadhog, even Blizzard.... Nerfing him to oblivion.

i actually think the roadhog nerf is working as intended, you see roadhog usually played the role of a flanking position punisher or barrier deleter but now he plays the role as of nothing

and well thats a role no one has had before in ow so it just adds to the variety

nothing may sound like a negative but from nothing, imagination can grow and we could see people test out roadhogs potential

in my opinion he is the character that people should keep their eye on
 
The person you're responding to may be a shit head. They may be just joking around.

But you cannot possibly think that playing Mercy competently is harder than doing the same on McCree. One of the big reasons people hate Mercy is because she gets a shit ton of SR for multi Rez and you can play hero poorly, lose most of your games, and still get a very higher competitive rating.



Sorry to burst your bubble but Mercy is the easiest healer in the game... clicking heads in high elo isn't easy as you think. When there are platinum mercys who climb to Top 500 in one season, you know somethings wrong with that character AND the matchmaking system. You can become insane with some healers (Lucio (stance switching), Ana (since she aims, coordinates ults with someone), (Zenyatta (since he has to discord and call out targets... All mercy has to do is get good at hiding and press q; thus why is she is so relevant and abused right now because of the invuln buff.

Wait what? If you don't have the mechanical skill to land headshots and flicks with Mcree, I don't know why are you bothering with FPS games LOL. I easily land shots with Mcree and hitscan in general; game sense based heroes like Mercy are harder for me to play. It is hard to position yourself and keep track of enemy cooldowns when they try to chase you, and you have to keep your eyes on the killfeed to get a good rezz. With Mcree, I just walk and shoot LOL; you can get away with bad positioning if you melt people with a pocket healer.

All mercy has to do is get good at hiding and press q; thus why is she is so relevant and abused right now because of the invuln buff.

You will just get ulted or wrecked with the bad positioning after the big rezz LOL. That is not how you rez. Also, Mercy gets melted at higher elo; Mcree is a good pub stomper unless you somehow run into really good tanks.

No brain Mcree main zzzz dink dink 400 dpi/2 sens watch me click heads and get good SR gains because people can't aim with Mcree.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Everyone always blames the healer. It's a thankless job.

Yep. I think the OP's story focuses way too much on Mercy and trying to extrapolate a 'deeper meaning' in regards to continued stigmatization of women in general and in gaming.

Supports are undervalued because mechanically, they're rarely to never going to be as "fun". I mean, in Dota 2, supports are basically the only way you survive the early game, but people would rather play the carries that can tear apart the other team in late game because it's more satisfying to have the biggest KDA. And if the carries suck? They'll just blame you for not supporting them enough and carrying them to victory. Mercy is perhaps the apotheosis of the alternate problem—buffing the support but simultaneously providing perverse incentives to team play.

Never played much TF2, but did a lot of peeps complain about the Doctor class?

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Jellie

Member
The person you're responding to may be a shit head. They may be just joking around.

But you cannot possibly think that playing Mercy competently is harder than doing the same on McCree. One of the big reasons people hate Mercy is because she gets a shit ton of SR for multi Rez and you can play hero poorly, lose most of your games, and still get a very higher competitive rating.
Flash and left click isn't hard.
Mercy sucks because she invalidates the other healers and the meta is almost exclusively focused around her resurrect which can completely save a game for a team over and over again.

You can play another healer....but only if you already have a Mercy.



lol.

Good jokes. The skill ceiling on a dps player is far higher than Mercy.

In fact, I think all the other healers take more skill than her.
Mercy has no ways to defend her self like the others. Harder to stay alive since have to rely on the team.
Mercy is a bad character for this game.



Healing is harder than clicking heads. lol

All the other support characters need more skill than somebody playing Mercy.
Heads are huge in this game. Don't even need to hs if we damage boost you too.
How do you heal badly? You don't even need to aim (shoot) your heal, you just hold a button on your ally and fly to them . Its as brain dead as a healer can get. Res doesn't need aiming either; you just stay in the area and press q when everyone dies. Please stop arguing; you just sound like a person defending their favorite character in the game.. a character thats broken right now and being abused like crazy. Every top 500 player can agree that mercy is the most brain dead character in the game right now whether you like it or not.
You can heal badly by not prioritising properly. You have to heal those in the danger but that put you in danger too.
Not if you play Mercy. If you heal badly, just hit Q and voila!

And sure you can just shoot again, but maybe the guy you missed just dropped an ult or picked off your healer or killed you.
If you heal badly you won't have your ult to rez them.
If a mercy is solo healing the team then this is true.
Mercy is seldom solo support on a team, she's ill-equipped for it.
What are we arguing about?
Yeah lots of times I have to solo heal. Lucio can't burst heal zen is too low and Ana in this Winston dva meta can't heal. Sometimes I get the same team and they say good solo heals let's do it again.
 
Wait what? If you don't have the mechanical skill to land headshots and flicks with Mcree, I don't know why are you bothering with FPS games LOL. I easily land shots with Mcree and hitscan in general; game sense based heroes like Mercy are harder for me to play. It is hard to position yourself and keep track of enemy cooldowns when they try to chase you, and you have to keep your eyes on the killfeed to get a good rezz. With Mcree, I just walk and shoot LOL; you can get away with bad positioning if you melt people with a pocket healer.



You will just get ulted or wrecked with the bad positioning after the big rezz LOL. That is not how you rez. Also, Mercy gets melted at higher elo; Mcree is a good pub stomper unless you somehow run into really good tanks.

You're correct that Overwatch dps is kind of Playskool FPS, but acting as though Mercy is some epitome of FPS skill is silly. Positioning mistakes are easily forgiven due thanks to Wings of Mercy and her generous autoheal, and zero aim or mechanical ability is required.

A character being shit in ELO doesn't mean they take skill to play, it means they have a low skill ceiling.
 

benzopil

Member
Probably because you either play on console or play at a rank below Master.

Nothing wrong with that either way, it's just that most of the hate towards Mercy is concentrated to the higher levels of play on PC.

Errrr

Mercy was always the most popular support on console, Ana never became popular for some reason. Even in triple tank meta where you didn't need an insane aim to heal three big bodies.

So on console she's hated as much if not more.
 

pizzacat

Banned
You're correct that Overwatch dps is kind of PlaySkool FPS, but acting as though Mercy is some epitome of FPS skill is silly. A character being shit in ELO doesn't mean they take skill to play, it means they have a low skill ceiling.

because the skill of mercy doesnt come from any fps, its more comparable with RTS and fighting games
 
*support characters

Saw this shared and just started reading through it.







more stuff at the link

I don't play Overwatch, but I do watch someone play it a lot and found it a shame support characters of all characters get crap like this. Overwatch characters requiring diverse skill sets is a huge positive imo and there's such thing as impressive, skillful play for every character.


Eh, the woman angle would work if it applied to all the female characters as well...but it just doesn't. Whether Mercy was a male or female doesn't change the attitudes.
 
i actually think the roadhog nerf is working as intended, you see roadhog usually played the role of a flanking position punisher or barrier deleter but now he plays the role as of nothing

and well thats a role no one has had before in ow so it just adds to the variety

nothing may sound like a negative but from nothing, imagination can grow and we could see people test out roadhogs potential

in my opinion he is the character that people should keep their eye on

I see the world in a new way now.
 

Nepenthe

Member
Random idea for Mercy's res: why not just go the McCree route and tie the effectiveness of it to a build-up meter? If she presses Q and then clicks immediately then she gets one person up, but if she's able to hold out longer, she can res more people? That way it adds some element of strategy to using res and doesn't immediately negate the opponents' work.
 

Strakt

Member
Flash and left click isn't hard.

Mercy has no ways to defend her self like the others. Harder to stay alive since have to rely on the team.

Heads are huge in this game. Don't even need to hs if we damage boost you too.

You can heal badly by not prioritising properly. You have to heal those in the danger but that put you in danger too.

If you heal badly you won't have your ult to rez them.

Yeah lots of times I have to solo heal. Lucio can't burst heal zen is too low and Ana in this Winston dva meta can't heal. Sometimes I get the same team and they say good solo heals let's do it again.

Damn this guy was actually serious the entire time........ i mean its not your fault for liking Mercy.. its blizz's fault for making such a braindead hero with questionable balancing that people can abuse to get to top 500
 
Errrr

Mercy was always the most popular support on console, Ana never became popular for some reason. Even in triple tank meta where you didn't need an insane aim to heal three big bodies.

So on console she's hated as much if not more.

Up until this recent meta I didn't get yelled at to switch from Ana to Mercy almost every game
 
Overwatch is toxic in every sense of the word. And I'm not even talking about just the community.

This is the same deal with all of Blizzard's products. Whenever I play them I feel the life force slowly being drained from my body. And Blizzard knows this. They feed on it. It creeps me out.

I mean Nintendo for example is probably just as evil. But when you play Mario it genuinely feels like this thing was made solely to put a smile on my face. With Blizzard it's so crystal clear that their games have been finely engineered to turn you into a zombie.
 
How stupid is this article. The author knows that Ana is one of the most respected heroes in the game right? And she's a healer and a female.
 

Jellie

Member
Damn this guy was actually serious the entire time........ i mean its not your fault for liking Mercy.. its blizz's fault for making such a braindead hero with questionable balancing that people can abuse to get to top 500
If you recall mercy was getting Sr lower than she should. They simply fixed it so we get normal Sr gains now. All the mercy who suddenly climbed is because they fixed the bug and they got the Sr they meant to. If it's so easy why are there mercys in plat and diamond.
 
When did SR become this huge toxic problem? I play Overwatch and competitive mode casually
Mercy is my most played character
and it seems like the last season or two has gotten way more toxic.

Why do we care what someone else's SR is? Why do we care who the top players are?
 

pizzacat

Banned
Damn this guy was actually serious the entire time........ i mean its not your fault for liking Mercy.. its blizz's fault for making such a braindead hero with questionable balancing that people can abuse to get to top 500

this is about mercy, not winston
 
Haven't played in a month or so, but Mercy ended up becoming my favorite character to the point she was really the only one I played, happily at that.

I knew my team could count on me because I constantly healed everyone as often as I could, sticking to tanks when everyone else was healthy. Rez'd when i needed to whether it was 2 people or 5 people. Just had so much fun maintaining my team to help us make that last push or hold the site just a little longer to secure the win. Great character really, and seeing that people hate her just makes me want to get back into overwatch.
 
Flash and left click isn't hard.

Mercy has no ways to defend her self like the others. Harder to stay alive since have to rely on the team.

Heads are huge in this game. Don't even need to hs if we damage boost you too.

You can heal badly by not prioritising properly. You have to heal those in the danger but that put you in danger too.

If you heal badly you won't have your ult to rez them.

Yeah lots of times I have to solo heal. Lucio can't burst heal zen is too low and Ana in this Winston dva meta can't heal. Sometimes I get the same team and they say good solo heals let's do it again.

I'm sorry but there's no hope for you if you truly believe this.
 

Strakt

Member
If you recall mercy was getting Sr lower than she should. They simply fixed it so we get normal Sr gains now. All the mercy who suddenly climbed is because they fixed the bug and they got the Sr they meant to. If it's so easy why are there mercys in plat and diamond.

yea.. 2k mercys in top 500.. gained about 2.5k SR in one season.. they must of just improved right? They're at the SR they deserve to be at LOLOL Good joke

Whats your SR btw? Most high rank players and people on teams (C9, CLG, etc..) agree that mercy is ruining the game right now and how easy it is to climb with her. I think they know what they're talking about when they put hundreds of more hours into the game than we do.
 
yea.. 2k mercys in top 500.. gained about 2.5k SR in one season.. they must of just improved right? They're at the SR they deserve to be at LOLOL Good joke

Whats your SR btw? Most high rank players and people on teams (C9, CLG, etc..) agree that mercy is ruining the game right now and how easy it is to climb with her. I think they know what they're talking about when they put hundreds of more hours into the game than we do.

Listening to high rank players is the fastest way to ruin a multiplayer game.
 

Nepenthe

Member
When did SR become this huge toxic problem? I play Overwatch and competitive mode casually
Mercy is my most played character
and it seems like the last season or two has gotten way more toxic.

Why do we care what someone else's SR is? Why do we care who the top players are?

I think it's that people don't feel the current set-up actively rewards better players who invest in characters with a higher skill ceiling than Mercy, and thus comp is unfair.
 

OHjaysimpsan

Neo Member
Hey, a lifeless stone!!!!!!! did you know lifeless stones can be mysoginistic?. On topic, saying the hatred for the character is a gender issue is just a way too far long shot.
 

Strakt

Member
Listening to high rank players is the fastest way to ruin a multiplayer game.

Actually listening to high ranked players is the best thing blizzard can do atm because their game is in such a shit state right now. Most high skill capped heroes in the game right now are irrelevant because everyones running mercy/dva/winston, characters that generally dont take much skill to play.
 

Anne

Member
Jellie is a diamond Ana main tho he knows what he's talking about

Edit: I have been informed he has recently made it into masters for the time being.
 
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