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[molnizzle]

"Sexy" costumes are fine - they just shouldn't be the default costumes.

Televised tournament play could then simply be limited to the default costumes, and there could be an filter option to only display the default costumes when privately playing online in your home.

Boom, problem solved, everybody wins.

You're welcome, Capcom!

 

[Gbraga]

Mods do good work

This is awesome.

Capcpom, pls, make something like that.

 

[mcw]

Last Blade has probably the best dressed female characters. They even avoid to show violence against Akari,who is a minor. Instead of being cut to half,she just uses magic and vanishes.

Thanks; I do love Last Blade.

For me, it's not just the costumes. The problem is the message that the costumes send, which is: "If you are a woman, understand that we made this game for people that are not you". There's no reason why Street Fighter needs to be like that. Maybe there's no reason why any game needs to be like that, but it bothers me more when it's Street Fighter, a game I've always loved, because I want more people to love the game like I do. If these costumes were in the game, but there was something else about it or about Capcom's messaging for the game that made it clear they were trying to be inclusive, I would have a very different perspective.

Beyond that: When I was growing up, the media I consumed taught me that some things were for girls and some were for boys and never the twain shall meet. Now that I'm an adult, I realize that was all bullshit, and frankly set me back several years in regards to socializing with girls. That's not an experience I want for anyone.

 

[Keinning]

The idea of tournament skins sounds fine to me. Despite not liking "sexy" (which never have this effect anyway) outfits, let them be an option for those who want to pay for it and help the developer, but keep it away from competitions.

"But it would be boring if everyone used the same outfit!" you get used to it, it happens in sports as well. Make two versions for mirror matches and its fine. Can even sell them later as "special editions" for an extra cash boost. Everybody wins, nobody loses anything.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Man, I am so damn tired of the same bullshit in these threads.

"Oh you're just a prude" - no, I actually look at lots of sexy stuff (and by that I mean actual porn) on a daily basis. That argument has no place here. I'm fucking sick and tired of seeing this repeated ad nauseum every time this topic comes up.

Look, the reason I don't like it is because it's sexist, and also, btw, nudity barely has anything to do with sex despite what society may have taught you. Exposed human skin is not sexuality, it is not a display of sexuality, it's just the display of human flesh for the sake of straight male libidos at the expense of actual characterization. It's nonsense.

Doesn't help that they have this annoying tendency to give every female character the same overly sexualized body type, and it's not a body type patterned after actual female fighters, oh no! Yeah, sure, the male fighters are over-the-top, but they get to pack tons of muscle while the female fighters only get the suggestion of muscle? There's no equality here, folks. If they exaggerated the bodies of actual female MMA fighters we wouldn't even be having this conversation (and Laura wouldn't have those stupid pornstar boobs, for that matter).

Always the same shit. Always me repeating myself ad nauseum because people just don't read and listen. I'm so damn tired, man.

Yes, it's tiresome, but don't give up please. We need voices like yours.

Tactful and less embarrassing is boring, with that we would never have had Madonna (Well maybe that would have been a good thing)

Tactful and less embarrassing would have stopped some of the great renaissance art we enjoy today!

Your tactful and embarrassing today is low level unrealized censorship.

Now I'm not advocating for no-hold-bars for ART.

However, Cammy's butt and women's FORM should stopped being looked down upon in this manner of tactful and embarrassing. Why? Becuase many women draw power from their good looks. And good for them! It's a personal choice every women (Or man) has to choose.

And geez its just pictures, its just Art, ya can fight to protect it, or you can lay down and be tactful and not embarrassing... SMH

Easy, men are proven scientifically to be more stimulated with visuals than women. It's biology. Women know this, and good for them, again it's empowering to the vast majority. Thats why they wear make-up, that's why they have so many different outfit choices... not to sound mean, but seriously I'm sure you know this...

It's not about being equal, in rights yes we are equal, however in biology both sexes have differences that are good.

What an embarrassing series of posts. Yes, precious T&A is sacred art, don't you dare criticize it ever because "that's censorship". Please.

And of course the obligatory #biotruths becuase of course.

Is that complicated to understand that some people would like to play characters who are better representations of women that are not embarrassing?

Again, as people already explained many times before, t's not about being "prudish" or anything like that. It's not about being afraid of T&A. It's just that we'd like to play female characters that aren't automatically sexually pandering.
I mean, if we take SFV and we look at the male characters, which one are sexualized and were designed with that kind of intention? Well, none. Female characters on the other hand, a lot of them are (clothes, camera angles).
Why does Guile, who is a military, have pants while Cammy is in a leotard, for example? Why would people be angry if she had pants? Is her ass that important for them? Is her ass that iconic because it's part of her design? I mean, Capcom changed Ken and Vega's design and nobody was against it, right?

As I said, I'm not against sexy characters at all, of course they can exist but a better balance is needed. We need more female characters such as Makoto from SF, for instance. As a woman, I would like to have the option to play female characters that are as badass as male characters and not sexually pandering. Is it too much to ask?

Anyway, I'm just repeating what other people have already said and explained better than I do. I don't think some take their time to read and understand each argument, this isn't the first time people have that conversation and it goes nowhere. It's always us being "prudish" and wanting all women to have burkas.

Hear hear

You might call the stuff I like "embarrassing", but I'd probably call the stuff you like "boring" or "unattractive"

We know. You have made it repeatedly clear that women are boring to you unless they give you a boner.

 

[mas8705]

I can't imagine if it being a problem for Capcom to just make a few outfits for each character that can be seen as "Suitable" for ESPN or for anyone who really has a problem with exposed skin. Honestly, I don't think that Laura's default outfit would be seen as a bad thing per ce, but for Cammy, just give her an outfit where she wears Cargo pants or something and she's good to go there (as what has already been shown on this thread).

The price of getting widespread viewership I suppose.

 

[Theonik]

I can't imagine if it being a problem for Capcom to just make a few outfits for each character that can be seen as "Suitable" for ESPN or for anyone who really has a problem with exposed skin. Honestly, I don't think that Laura's default outfit would be seen as a bad thing per ce, but for Cammy, just give her an outfit where she wears Cargo pants or something and she's good to go there (as what has already been shown on this thread).

The price of getting widespread viewership I suppose.

I mean they already had outfits for pretty much everyone which is how the matches were conducted.

I don't think I want to say that's the price of wider viewership though. That's the price the ESPN has put, and looking at the stuff they typically aired that's somewhat debatable, if anything games are discriminated upon in this instance. But really what determines wider viewership is access to wider platforms.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Er, I mean it's ArcSys.
That makes this.

I doubt any team from Capcom would've sexualized them for the heck of it.

Can't a dude just show off his new female body without complaints?

 

[mas8705]

I mean they already had outfits for pretty much everyone which is how the matches were conducted.

I don't think I want to say that's the price of wider viewership though. That's the price the ESPN has put, and looking at the stuff they typically aired that's somewhat debatable, if anything games are discriminated upon in this instance. But really what determines wider viewership is access to wider platforms.

True enough. That does make me wonder though what is seen as the "Wider platform" in this wonderful day and age we live in. While yes, Twitch and other streaming services do offer the ability to reach people, the same could also be said of the Television. The question that I wonder is what is seen as the "Bigger" of the two if there is even an answer for that.

If Streaming services are bigger, then why go to ESPN (let alone any channel) in the first place? Part of me feels like the answer to that is simple enough: Reach an audience that has not yet experienced eSports, or the Fighting Games. Honestly, I think the first time games were ever mentioned on ESPN was that infamous "Xrd Moment" of the player who celebrated too early and got obliterated when he stepped away from his stick. Don't know if that was the golden ticket that EVO needed to strike a deal to show SFV's Top 8 or not, but it does show that the interest could indeed be there to spread the audience even further than ever before.

As for if this will work or not... Who knows at this point.

 

[Busaiku]

Pretty sure none of the men ever had destructible clothing in Art of Fighting, with that having been limited to the women (Yuri and King). I believe that said destructibility is still a factor for those same two AoF representatives in KoF XIV.

Nope.
Initially it was just King, then Yuri and King, then most of the cast, including the males.
But then it got worse with The King of Fighters XIII.

 

[PSqueak]

Otane (Power Instinct),.

I mean, i get your point, but you might want to remove the example that is used as a gag, Otane , her sister and all old ladies in PI are used as gags about being ugly because they are old and, oh look, they all happen to have magical powers to turn themselves into younger, more traditionally appealing, sexy women!

 

[Nephtes]

This is awesome.

Capcpom, pls, make something like that.

I mean it's still not an actual military uniform, but it's about 400% better than the default costume in game.

 

[Theonik]

True enough. That does make me wonder though what is seen as the "Wider platform" in this wonderful day and age we live in. While yes, Twitch and other streaming services do offer the ability to reach people, the same could also be said of the Television. The question that I wonder is what is seen as the "Bigger" of the two if there is even an answer for that.

If Streaming services are bigger, then why go to ESPN (let alone any channel) in the first place? Part of me feels like the answer to that is simple enough: Reach an audience that has not yet experienced eSports, or the Fighting Games. Honestly, I think the first time games were ever mentioned on ESPN was that infamous "Xrd Moment" of the player who celebrated too early and got obliterated when he stepped away from his stick. Don't know if that was the golden ticket that EVO needed to strike a deal to show SFV's Top 8 or not, but it does show that the interest could indeed be there to spread the audience even further than ever before.

As for if this will work or not... Who knows at this point.

There is the whole point you addressed that it brings those games to a new audience but more importantly it brings tons of money potentially which the organisers value over the sport itself. Mainstream media still has huge ability to bankroll things though Twitch being bought by Amazon does mean that potentially we could see expansion from traditional outlets.

My only real grip with it is ESPN doesn't seem to take games very seriously which is why we get incidents like this one. But of course many people will say that the reason FG are not taken seriously is the sexualization, one would again only need to point out the other sports that ESPN traditionally airs and the sexist bile they tend to feature on their network. Games are still too new I guess.

 

[Derpot]

Nope.
Initially it was just King, then Yuri and King, then most of the cast, including the males.
But then it got worse with The King of Fighters XIII.

I was at a friend's house last week with other friends, and we were messing with the color edit mode a bit. Friend picked Yuri and he was changing her poses to see if the colors worked, then suddenly:

Our reactions were "uh wat", then we laughed and I asked "why the hell does she have this?", and he was a bit confused too. And yeah we also saw that King had the same shit:

 

[PSqueak]

I was at a friend's house last week with other friends, and we were messing with the color edit mode a bit. Friend picked Yuri and he was changing her poses to see if the colors worked, then suddenly:

Our reactions were "uh wat", then we laughed and I asked "why the hell does she have this?", and he was a bit confused too. And yeah we also saw that King had the same shit:

Kinda indefensible at Yuri, For King it's an easter egg referencing AOF 1, where King was actually disguised as a man and it was a twist to find out she was a woman, that you could only do by defeating her in a specific way, if i recall correctly it also altered the plot a bit if you did.

It also brings light to a new problem, long since AOF 1, King's breasts and overall curviness has been increased, she's ridiculously busty nowadays and she'd never pass for a man anymore, pretty much part of the problem.

 

[Mesoian]

Mods do good work

Real talk, when I play, I'm 100% of the time using cosmetic mods that make the female characters look better. Sometimes that means more sexy, sometimes that means more conservative. But the costume mods for SF5 are, leaps and bounds, by a WIDE ASS MARGIN, better than any of the official skins Capcom has released, and that's a real fucking problem.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Why is it called fan service? Can't we just call it cheap sexualized pandering?

It's a clever euphemism designed to downplay and mitigate damage. It needs a new word and that's a good one. Shorten it down to sex-pandering for less syllables. Ideally something which gets the true meaning across with least syllables.

 

[poodaddy]

Forget the economics. How about doing it because you have a modicum of dignity?

It's an embarassment.

This. I love fighting games but the amount of weaboo bullshit in the FGC is indefensible. I can't even play the games in front of my wife without feeling like a loser. If you want that shit, go play Dead or Alive, Street Fighter should try to be better.

 

[Choppasmith]

Kinda indefensible at Yuri, For King it's an easter egg referencing AOF 1, where King was actually disguised as a man and it was a twist to find out she was a woman, that you could only do by defeating her in a specific way, if i recall correctly it also altered the plot a bit if you did.

It also brings light to a new problem, long since AOF 1, King's breasts and overall curviness has been increased, she's ridiculously busty nowadays and she'd never pass for a man anymore, pretty much part of the problem.

I always thought over the course of the games, she learns to embrace her femininity, her feelings for Ryo (her wearing a dress in the A oF team ending in XI I thought was a pretty big deal) and just decided she doesn't need to wear manly clothes that hide her curves.

It's very similar to Leona going from her taciturn debut in 96, trying to commit suicide in 97 after losing control, finding family in her teammates and a sister in Whip, and finally coming the terms with her power and learning to control it in XIII and XIV. There's a lot of details if you pay attention.

Speaking of Leona, who's basically SNK's Cammy, her outfits in XIII and XIV are basically very much like the concepts/mods for Cammy posted in this thread.

Yeah, her 3D model gratuitously ups her bust size a bit and you could say her super flash close-up animation has her breasts front and center, but I think it's a lot more tame and more importantly practical than the stuff in SFV.

Certainly not saying SNK is perfect though. The XIII Color Edit, while I admire it for being thorough it's like.......Yeah... I do find it odd that they insist on keeping the clothes ripping for King and Yuri but not extend it to the other Art of Fighting characters (namely Ryo and Robert).

 

[Chingachgook]

What an embarrassing series of posts. Yes, precious T&A is sacred art, don't you dare criticize it ever because "that's censorship". Please.

And of course the obligatory #biotruths becuase of course.

Embarrassing? It's more embarrassing how Americans are so snowflake like, that simple artful pictures make a thread this long, and have people fighting for low-level censorship then accepting a foreign developer and enjoying its content, artful contact that give you feels. Sometimes good, sometimes bad but thats the point of art, but lets not have Thats becuase of snowflakes might be offended.

And YES it's obligatory #biotruths becasue it's scientifically proven! You can't discount it's truth, you may not like that it's true, and you may wish men did not activate on visual stimulus more than women. However if you have a problem with it, then you can talk to mother-nature/creator.

Becuase it's never going to stop, men are hard wired that way, and so are women, and you complaining about it, just stop it's embarrassing.

 

[Choppasmith]

Embarrassing? It's more embarrassing how Americans are so snowflake like, that simple artful pictures make a thread this long, and have people fighting for low-level censorship then accepting a foreign developer and enjoying its content, artful contact that give you feels. Sometimes good, sometimes bad but thats the point of art, but lets not have Thats becuase of snowflakes might be offended.

And YES it's obligatory #biotruths becasue it's scientifically proven! You can't discount it's truth, you may not like that it's true, and you may wish men did not activate on visual stimulus more than women. However if you have a problem with it, then you can talk to mother-nature/creator.

Becuase it's never going to stop, men are hard wired that way, and so are women, and you complaining about it, just stop it's embarrassing.

It's embarrassing that you really think something like The Birth of Venus can really compare to video game titillation.

Also your post reads like some rape apologist.

"Shoulda covered up more! I mean it's in men's biological nature and all..."

 

[Theonik]

Juri's abs in SFIV are alike Michelangelo's David.

 

[LotusHD]

Embarrassing? It's more embarrassing how Americans are so snowflake like, that simple artful pictures make a thread this long, and have people fighting for low-level censorship then accepting a foreign developer and enjoying its content, artful contact that give you feels. Sometimes good, sometimes bad but thats the point of art, but lets not have Thats becuase of snowflakes might be offended.

And YES it's obligatory #biotruths becasue it's scientifically proven! You can't discount it's truth, you may not like that it's true, and you may wish men did not activate on visual stimulus more than women. However if you have a problem with it, then you can talk to mother-nature/creator.

Becuase it's never going to stop, men are hard wired that way, and so are women, and you complaining about it, just stop it's embarrassing.

I didn't see this ban coming D:

 

[Vlaphor]

I feel that the best option here is one of choice. First off, I am a fan of fanservice...huge fan in fact. I enjoy the designs of the female characters of SFV quite a bit and and am even using mods to further my enjoyment.

Why is it called fan service? Can't we just call it cheap sexualized pandering?

Because I'm a fan who is being serviced. Now, that being said, I do believe that it isn't healthy for anyone to have this brand of sexiness be the only option available for female characters. Offer choices, multiple costumes, even different camera angles to please as many people as possible. Video games are getting bigger than ever, and if Capcom wants to be on TV, then they'll have to find ways to being in new people without alienating the original fan base, and that can be a tricky thing indeed. I know there people out there who don't like the fanservicey designs and would like them changed, but I also don't want to lose what I like, so this is why I feel that choice is the best option here.

Both Capcom and Tecmo have come out and said that the sexy DLC costumes sell best, so there is an audience for fanservice, but I do believe there is another audience out there that can grow alongside it, if given the proper opportunity. In short, more people should be able to enjoy various forms of media in their comfort zone, but I also don't want what I like to go away. Simple as that.

 

[Vice]

Embarrassing? It's more embarrassing how Americans are so snowflake like, that simple artful pictures make a thread this long, and have people fighting for low-level censorship then accepting a foreign developer and enjoying its content, artful contact that give you feels. Sometimes good, sometimes bad but thats the point of art, but lets not have Thats becuase of snowflakes might be offended.

And YES it's obligatory #biotruths becasue it's scientifically proven! You can't discount it's truth, you may not like that it's true, and you may wish men did not activate on visual stimulus more than women. However if you have a problem with it, then you can talk to mother-nature/creator.

Becuase it's never going to stop, men are hard wired that way, and so are women, and you complaining about it, just stop it's embarrassing.

Games are art, but if companies want to turn them into big sports then you have to conform to broadcast standards. It's rough, but that's the way things work.

 

[Basketball]

Real talk, when I play, I'm 100% of the time using cosmetic mods that make the female characters look better. Sometimes that means more sexy, sometimes that means more conservative. But the costume mods for SF5 are, leaps and bounds, by a WIDE ASS MARGIN, better than any of the official skins Capcom has released, and that's a real fucking problem.

oh yes

 

[Puruzi]

oh yes

Lmao, was gonna say that some mods make it even worse(better)

 

[isamu]

You can see asshole in SF5?

Yes, Ken is in the game.

OK this literally made me spit out water over my keyboard. Goddamn

 

[Parfait]

I'd rather more fanservice, TBH. Especially since it's just costumes anyway.

More importantly I want equal fanservice for both men and women. I want just as many ass shots of a dude in a speedo as there are for a girl. Slow, long panning shots showing every polygon in High Definition. Abs. Definetly abs, and muscles. Different body types as well. (Just not abigail). I've never had a problem with bikini scenes or hot spring scenes or girls being sexy or whatnot, that's nothing. I just don't think it's fair that dudes don't get the same treatment.

 

[sibarraz]

Last Blade has probably the best dressed female characters. They even avoid to show violence against Akari,who is a minor. Instead of being cut to half,she just uses magic and vanishes.

The best thing about last blade is that everything there screams elegance in a very sublime way. Even the "ugly" characters have it

 

[Fudgepuppy]

I feel that the best option here is one of choice. First off, I am a fan of fanservice...huge fan in fact. I enjoy the designs of the female characters of SFV quite a bit and and am even using mods to further my enjoyment.



Because I'm a fan who is being serviced. Now, that being said, I do believe that it isn't healthy for anyone to have this brand of sexiness be the only option available for female characters. Offer choices, multiple costumes, even different camera angles to please as many people as possible. Video games are getting bigger than ever, and if Capcom wants to be on TV, then they'll have to find ways to being in new people without alienating the original fan base, and that can be a tricky thing indeed. I know there people out there who don't like the fanservicey designs and would like them changed, but I also don't want to lose what I like, so this is why I feel that choice is the best option here.

Both Capcom and Tecmo have come out and said that the sexy DLC costumes sell best, so there is an audience for fanservice, but I do believe there is another audience out there that can grow alongside it, if given the proper opportunity. In short, more people should be able to enjoy various forms of media in their comfort zone, but I also don't want what I like to go away. Simple as that.

I don't know about you, but I felt more "serviced" as a fan, when playing The Last of Us and Life Is Strange, than when playing any fighting game with sexualized characters.

One of the main reasons I mained Asuka a lot in Tekken 5, was partly because her design felt a lot more inspired and logical than most half naked girls in fighting games.

 

[sleverfunk]

oh yes

can't helpt it lmao.
that mod looks good though.

 

[SixMachine]

I don't know about you, but I felt more "serviced" as a fan, when playing The Last of Us and Life Is Strange, than when playing any fighting game with sexualized characters.

One of the main reasons I mained Asuka a lot in Tekken 5, was partly because her design felt a lot more inspired and logical than most half naked girls in fighting games.

Fanservice does not always mean sexualized, it is used as anything that appeals to fans. Stuff like cameos and homages are fanservice. Crossover series like Vs. and Project X-zone are completely fanservice seeing characters come together. Though on gaf we see fanservice mostly about the tna variety because honestly, it riles up and causes the most discussion in that aspect.

Also a side note, Tekken 5 Asuka's alternate costume designed by Oh Great! is a top tier alt.

 

[Laiza]

I definitely saw that ban coming. Anyone who wants to lean on tired, sexist tripe like "all men are this way" gets their turn eventually.

Yes, it's tiresome, but don't give up please. We need voices like yours.

Thanks. I honestly need the encouragement. It really feels incredibly futile a lot of the time, especially when we have a case like SFV where it feels like the devs are sliding back into the abyss of straight-male pandering. Grumble grumble, mutter mutter.

 

[Village]

Real talk, when I play, I'm 100% of the time using cosmetic mods that make the female characters look better. Sometimes that means more sexy, sometimes that means more conservative. But the costume mods for SF5 are, leaps and bounds, by a WIDE ASS MARGIN, better than any of the official skins Capcom has released, and that's a real fucking problem.

Don't think I can say that, there are plenty of outfits I enjoy

But there are definitely some " Why didn't capcom make this outfit this way, or think of this ones"

One of my favorites

Oh hey its laura's battle outfit, but good

 

[Rmagnus]

Don't think I can say that, there are plenty of outfits I enjoy

But there are definitely some " Why didn't capcom make this outfit this way, or think of this ones"

One of my favorites

Oh hey its laura's battle outfit, but good

Good? Well different strokes for different folks boo cause I really don't see what's good bout it.

 

[Cynar]

Forget the economics. How about doing it because you have a modicum of dignity?

It's an embarassment.

Or how about it's 2017 and women or characters should be able to dress however they want. Oh no the female body! Too scary!

 

[Puruzi]

that laura mod is pretty lame

 

[NikuNashi]

Or how about it's 2017 and women or characters should be able to dress however they want. Oh no the female body! Too scary!

Here here. Agree.

SF5 has plenty of costumes to choose from if you don't like looking at skin (BOTH male and female skin). However some people on this thread seem to want Capcom to remove the sexy costumes all together, well that is not how the world works, if you don't like something don't promote it with your hard earned money, you are free to buy and support whatever you wish, don't expect Capcom to tailor a game to your tastes though, especially knowing that the more 'sexy' DLC costumes are the most popular/profitable.

Don't think I can say that, there are plenty of outfits I enjoy

But there are definitely some " Why didn't capcom make this outfit this way, or think of this ones"

One of my favorites

Oh hey its laura's battle outfit, but good

Aesthetically this is just plain/dull and it looks like she would be sweating profusely in the Brazilian summer wearing that.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Or how about it's 2017 and women or characters should be able to dress however they want. Oh no the female body! Too scary!

These characters don't "want" anything, they've been designed this way with a clear purpose. Nobody is telling real women what to wear.

 

[Htown]

don't even know why you need that pandering bullshit in the games at this point anyway

it's 2017, you can find your favorite character in any degree of nonsense "sexy" clothing (or lack thereof) on the internet at any time

that's what I hear, anyway

 

[Village]

Aesthetically this is just plain/dull and it looks like she would be sweating profusely in the Brazilian summer wearing that.

Isn't geif from the Russian Winter and wears only a goddamn cloak and underwear and boots. Bullshit an outfit has to represent anything resembling something they need to survive in street fighter. Because if we wanna pull that shit, isn't it frequently cold and rainly in england, why doesn't cammy put on a shirt or pants or a long skirt or a jacket. Oh wait, because you magically don't have a problem with that one huh? How about Juri meeting in the rusian story mode club in a fucking blizzard wearing leather bike clothes, what about that. What about kolin not having pants.... at all and is also from the russian winter. Oh huh, you must hate all those right?

You full of all types of shit

Good? Well different strokes for different folks boo cause I really don't see what's good bout it.

Because it looks like an actual fucking gi

No put pads

No dumb shorts

A fucking Gi and a fucking tank top.

If ed and rog can get a hoodie and sweats , fucking luara can get an actual training gi . No bullshit, just a fucking GI

 

[Shin]

Thus, instead of Kazunoko rocking classic green leotard Cammy for most of top 8, we instead saw the classy alt costume you see above. Last year, a similar incident occurred with a player using R. Mika and being forced to switch to a slightly less revealing outfit. Again, not a huge loss.

Not sure about that, being told you can't do this or can't do that should have an effect on a player's mind, albeit minor.
Could affect their gameplay, I'm from Europe no ESPN where I live so I didn't catch the switch of outfit, anyone got a clip of it?

 

[Zero-ELEC]

Isn't geif from the Russian Winter and wears only a goddamn cloak and underwear and boots. Bullshit an outfit has to represent anything resembling something they need to survive in street fighter. Because if we wanna pull that shit, isn't it frequently cold and rainly in england, why doesn't cammy put on a shirt or pants or a long skirt or a jacket. Oh wait, because you magically don't have a problem with that one huh? How about Juri meeting in the rusian story mode club in a fucking blizzard wearing leather bike clothes, what about that. What about kolin not having pants.... at all and is also from the russian winter. Oh huh, you must hate all those right?

You full of all types of shit



Because it looks like an actual fucking gi

No put pads

No dumb shorts

A fucking Gi and a fucking tank top.

If ed and rog can get a hoodie and sweats , fucking luara can get an actual training gi . No bullshit, just a fucking GI

Preach~

 

[NEO0MJ]

Because it looks like an actual fucking gi

No put pads

No dumb shorts

A fucking Gi and a fucking tank top.

If ed and rog can get a hoodie and sweats , fucking luara can get an actual training gi . No bullshit, just a fucking GI

Still a little too tight, but yeah better than most of her official outfits.

 

[Amneisac]

What always amazes me in these threads is how people line up to defend "their" game's hypersexualization of women and fail to recognize that this is an industry wide problem.

You go into a Vanillaware thread, or a SF5 thread, or a Fire Emblem thread, etc. and there are people trying to defend the "art" or "creator's vision", or whatever else and fail to recognize that this exact same topic is surfacing in almost every game that has female characters.

Folks, there is a pervasive problem with how video game designers portray women. Ok, men buy a lot of video games and men like looking at attractive women, that's fine, but men are also capable of consuming media without having to be sexually attracted to every female character.

No one cares if you want to have your DoA spinoffs, or your waifu games or whatever else, but admit what it is: titilation. You aren't admiring art or having some academic appreciation for the female form, it's sexual. Ok, that's fine! But if a game aspires to have an audience beyond that niche it needs to step out from these tired sexualized tropes at least a little bit. Otherwise you can't expect the world at large, and that's not just ESPN or corporate sponsors, that's also people who appreciate a woman who can dress "like a man" in a fighting sport and not traipse around in her underwear, to take your game seriously.

 

[Derpot]

Isn't geif from the Russian Winter and wears only a goddamn cloak and underwear and boots. Bullshit an outfit has to represent anything resembling something they need to survive in street fighter. Because if we wanna pull that shit, isn't it frequently cold and rainly in england, why doesn't cammy put on a shirt or pants or a long skirt or a jacket. Oh wait, because you magically don't have a problem with that one huh? How about Juri meeting in the rusian story mode club in a fucking blizzard wearing leather bike clothes, what about that. What about kolin not having pants.... at all and is also from the russian winter. Oh huh, you must hate all those right?

You full of all types of shit

Yup yup. She doesn't even have tights, dammit lol.

It reminds me of Dawn's design in Pokémon Platinum:

Like, wtf, I have never (or rarely??) seen in my life a woman dressing like that in winter lol.
And of course, people will use the excuse "but it's a video game, not reality", but come on. That doesn't work when male characters have normal, coherent clothes in comparison (Guile vs Cammy who are both militaries for example).

What always amazes me in these threads is how people line up to defend "their" game's hypersexualization of women and fail to recognize that this is an industry wide problem.

You go into a Vanillaware thread, or a SF5 thread, or a Fire Emblem thread, etc. and there are people trying to defend the "art" or "creator's vision", or whatever else and fail to recognize that this exact same topic is surfacing in almost every game that has female characters.

Folks, there is a pervasive problem with how video game designers portray women. Ok, men buy a lot of video games and men like looking at attractive women, that's fine, but men are also capable of consuming media without having to be sexually attracted to every female character.

No one cares if you want to have your DoA spinoffs, or your waifu games or whatever else, but admit what it is: titilation. You aren't admiring art or having some academic appreciation for the female form, it's sexual. Ok, that's fine! But if a game aspires to have an audience beyond that niche it needs to step out from these tired sexualized tropes at least a little bit. Otherwise you can't expect the world at large, and that's not just ESPN or corporate sponsors, that's also people who appreciate a woman who can dress "like a man" in a fighting sport and not traipse around in her underwear, to take your game seriously.

Totally agree. There is some progress in female representation, but there are still some issues here and there. "Fanservice" can keep existing, there is a market for it, alright. But more and better representations that don't exist to titillate are needed too.

 

[zoukka]

And of course, people will use the excuse "but it's a video game, not reality"

That's a poor argument yes. Better one is "but it's a highly stylized, non-realistic video game".

 

[Amneisac]

That's a poor argument yes. Better one is "but it's a highly stylized, non-realistic video game".

But when that stylization allows for a large variation in the appearance of men, but all women are styled to be sexually appealing we have an obvious target for criticism.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Yup yup. She doesn't even have tights, dammit lol.

It reminds me of Dawn's design in Pokémon Platinum:

Like, wtf, I have never (or rarely??) seen in my life a woman dressing like that in winter lol.
And of course, people will use the excuse "but it's a video game, not reality", but come on.

You'd be surprised actually. It's fairly common to see that during winter in Japan, which isn't mild at all.

I have no idea why they do, but it really is fairly common.