Raditz somehow was much stronger than a Goku who trained with what was, at the time, the highest "God", and also had absorbed the power of Oozaru into his base form. Gohan's anger boost then takes him from basically normal human level to above the god trained Oozaru absorbed Goku, and also Raditz himself.
Obviously, numerically, it's lower than Kale's power up, but in a relative scale it was basically throwing away everything that happened before, which is basically the same thing Super is doing. The only issue here is that you don't have an emotional attachment to the power ups trashed by DBZ, while the ones introduced by DBZ itself are clearly important to you.
No, it's not somehow. You can't even question that sequence as Raditz was established as Goku's brother, from a Warrior race who actually acts upon being from a warrior race by being a spacepirate, plundering planets and Shit. Besides, when this more powerful enemy appeared, Goku or Piccolo didn't get an asspul powerboost to defeat him, they has to do it together and barely managed.
The main problem is that the near death power ups get stupidly large later in the Freeza Saga. Goku getting near death once due to Ginyu gave him much more power than all the training and near death experiences in the ship put together. And then we have Vegeta making a joke out of near death power ups with Dende's instant healing, that although completely useless against Freeza, still trashes Piccolo's power boost that was only obtained by sacrificing another character.
Sure, the near death power up do get large and you make like or dislike the idea behind this Powerup. However, there was an
idea behind it. It was established that a near death experience gives you a power boost. The boost didn't come out of nowhere. So again, you might like or dislike this, but at least there is a thought behind it. It happened according to the rules.
The big issue here is Piccolo's treatment. You mention him getting a power boost alongside Goku and Vegeta, but throughout the arc he's constantly treated like he's weaker than he was in the Cell Saga. The last time we had seen them, he was able to face a Cell Jr, who was about on Vegeta's level, but in the Buu Saga we get lines like Vegeta's confidence about winning the tournament in base or Dabura lumping Piccolo and Kuririn as the weakest ones in Goku's party, in spite of not having sensed SSJ and being surprised by it. Piccolo might have been intended to still be stronger than Goten and Trunks though, but even there the only element suggesting that was Buu taking his outfit after running out of time for Gotenks, when his advantage compared to them should have been much clearer.
So the issue here is Piccolo being too weak rather than other character getting an inexplicable power boost? Fair point, but it out of the scope that we're discussing.
That isn't quite right. Freeza trained until he obtained his new form, and that's it. He had no idea what would be the power necessary to beat Goku, just thought his new form would be enough. That's also why he couldn't control it well, since he left as soon as he got it.
And the large scale of a power up is just a consequence of the series continuing to advance, just like DBZ's power ups were much higher than DB's. The actual problem here is the show putting no effort into visually showcasing this growth after the BoGs arc and the 4 months time period. For similar reasons, SSB was also unsatisfying in spite of coming from training with a proper master and in a longer period.
This isn't true. When Frieza was revived, Sorbet told him that Goku defeated Majin Buu. Frieza then told Sorbet that he would train for 4 months to reach new heights. He announced it. However, his Golden Form is orders of magnitude more power powerful than Majin Buu, like, it's equivalent the jump from SS3 to SSB. And then to think that Frieza at that point was equivalent to SS1, making the jump of 4 month equivalent to a jump Frieza arc SS1 to RoF arc SSB. It's ridiculously stupid.
It was established that he matched Vegeta in base and was the leader of some elite Saiyan unit. The actual problem here is that it's really not believable that he'd get to such a high level and never have gone through emotional stress in battle.
Nowhere is it established that base strength correlates with the ease of going SSJ. Also, nowhere is it established that any emotional stress leads to SS. If so, Goku would have been SS much earlier in his fight against Frieza.
For Kale's power ups, they are trying to sell the idea that she's transforming due to her emotional instability and frustration, similar to Kid Gohan's anger boosts (and also like them although trashing what came before they still seem significantly bellow the actual main antagonist).
The reason why Kale's transformation is asinine is the difference in power from base to LSS. Broly was already a monster in base form. Goku and Vegeta could barely scratch his base. His LSS form was thus a much more natural transformation. For Kale it makes no sense because her base is crazy weak.
Bro, your hate boner for DBS needs to calm down
Saiyan Saga
Piccolo & co went from not being able to do jack shit to Raditz to being able kill Raditz's in the form of the Saibamen. Well, except Yamcha because life is pain when you're Yamcha.
There was 1 year between Raditz and Vegeta and the power boost can easily be explained as training in that year.
Krillin decides to not kill the person who was, in part, responsible for the death of his friends and the reason why he had trained in the first place. Why? Because Goku wanted a better fight!
What does this have to do with power boost?
Speaking of Goku, he went from being even weaker than Piccolo to stomping Nappa with one move. Because he trained, running around in a planet with 10x gravity.
Not sure what you're criticism is? He's stronger because he trained? Ehh..
Frieza Saga
The literal lord of the mortal Universe whom no one could touch or present a challenge got defeated by someone who, a few months earlier, could barely stand up to pre-Namek Geets. A dude that trained during his space ride and made a ridiculous amount of progress (a la Freeza in DBS) in the week or however long said journey was.
Wrong again. Frieza's power boost in DBS is equivalent to going from Frieza arc SS1 to RoF arc SSB. Are you telling me the jump in power that much?
Again you're completely missing the point. You're again telling me: "he's stronger because he trained! BS!". you're not making any sense.
Still the power difference was so great that Freeza only went all out after Goku transformed, the dude was cleaning house with 50% of his power. Also when he transformed his (Goku) stamina magically came back. Which never happens again btw.
What. Are. You. Trying. To. Say.
Also, Krilling dying in DB didn't cause a transformation. I wonder why....
Because you don't know what you're talking about.
Android Saga
Random scientist makes Androids STRONGER than any power level he had ever seen, witnessed or heard about on Earth. Even stronger than Freeza, by quite the margin. Not only that, those Androids are more advanced than anything else we've ever seen, even from other Universes. All this to kill a person, that even with the magical power boost gained in the previous saga, didn't have a hope of beating either 17 or 18.
Overkill much?
Again, what are you trying to say? We are discussing power BOOSTS here. The power DELTA. Character X becoming much stronger. The Androids were spawned as strong. And the power boost needed to defeat them can logically be explained due to the Z Fighters being warned about them coming so they could train. This is different from a very strong character appearing, which isn't new in DB, and then getting a power boost pulled from the ass to match or beat that person, which seems to be DBS' signature move.
Cell Saga
Afterwards a random creature appears that not only gets stronger by absorbing regular old Humans, but also Androids. Because. Cell then decides to NOT kill everyone right away after reaching his Perfect Form and makes a tournament. Because.
Because he has Saiyan cells and considers himself the strongest. Who else would do something like this? Oh yeah Goku, and Cell has his cells. What does this have to do with power boosts again? You have no clue what you're talking about.
Also, Gohan can become a SSJ now. That's 4 Legendary transformations. Also they have multiple forms now. ALSO, Gohan goes beyond all of the more experienced fighters because "potential". Ends up failing to kill Cell on his own regardless. Potential?
Gohan's potential has been established since the first couple of episodes of DBZ and were re emphasizes when he fought Frieza's second form. So throughout the series, breadcrumbs were layed out to finally get to that moment of Gohan harnessing that potential. Again, there is no controversy here. You, again, have no clue what you're talking about.
Btw everyone from these two arcs made Freeza, the previous Lord of the Universe, look like a Yamcha. Power scaling, yay! Speaking of, his life is still pain. Literal pain.
Yes, a lot of the Fighters were stronger than Frieza. But, and holy Shit AGAIN, the Fighters have increased in power because of TRAINING. Caulifla's power boost is pulled from the ass, Kale's power boost is pulled from the ass, even 17's is pulled from the ass (sorry Slaythe). The once instance where they do say that someone trained for his power boost - Frieza - the magnituse of his power boost is pulled from the ass.
Buu Saga
Magical creature that was stronger than everyone and everything from the known mortal Universe was somehow locked in a ball that was controlled by a weakling magician from outer space.
Geets, Goku & Gohan refuse to deal with the situation properly and quickly and let it escalate to the death and destruction of the entire Human population. Geets manages to get a rematch with Goku though. Alas Geets causes Buu to get free.
You're seriously getting annoying in how incoherent your rants are. Vegeta wanted nothing more than to fight Goku, even before Majin Buu was mentioned. Then, he witnessed is Babidi's chamber that Goku was much stronger than him and he let himself go Majin to get a power boost similar to Spopovic, to beat Goku. Vegeta has always been arrogant. He let Cell become perfect Cell because he thought "Super Vegeta" could beat him. He didn't care for Buu's awakening because he thought Buu was weak and he could have him. Again, there is no controversy here. You're grasping at straws.
See? DBZ was so well put together and not all filled with logical leaps! :O
RocknRola, you have no clue what you're talking about. Not only did you manage to sway from the discussion about power boosts (and not understand it) but the jabs you tried to take at Z are easily deflected. It's crazy how uninformed you are. That you even attempt to normalize DBS' shenanigans by pointing to something in DBZ is ludicrous. DBZ shits on DBS from orbit in terms of consistency and buildup. I haven't come across anyone in any Dragonball discussion who was so wrong about everything like you, and so incoherent.