AbsolutBro
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I see. I think I was not getting the term 'elective' in the right context.
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Trump: Trans Soldiers now barred from the military entirely
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I see. I think I was not getting the term 'elective' in the right context.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I can't stand people that think simply existing is a social experiment.
Especially since July 26th is the day that President Truman signed EO 9981, which ended segregation of the Armed Forces
But that's what happens when people are ignorant of history.
It's sad, but shouldn't really be surprising. No sex, race/ethnicity and class is free of bigotry.
It is times like this that I really want to go back and do a headcount of those that voted for Trump so I can give my middle finger a work out.
I have already been dealing on my Facebook with people who are all "I stand with LBGT" and I say no, uh uh fuck you. You do not get to do that when you voted for Trump.
You do not get to go back and pretend now that you did not know.
This board is no different.
I have already been dealing on my Facebook with people who are all "I stand with LBGT" and I say no, uh uh fuck you. You do not get to do that when you voted for Trump.
You do not get to go back and pretend now that you did not know.
This board is no different.
Beerman462
Member
God I love that show.
Limp dick something something military
20year Air Force retiree
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Fuck this orange turd for setting transgender rights back decades.
I want off this reality.
I want off this reality.
Currently rewatching it for at least the 10th time. Has taken on a new lease of life in these dark days. Feels like a fantasy show now.
Beerman462
Member
Tried re-watching a couple of times. Way to daunting and to much other shit to do. Maybe when I retire for good someday.
Edit: Now I'm watching You Tube clips
Reagan's BR
Banned
Tangent question: I'm seeing a lot different numbers for number of trans people in the military. Ranges from 6,000-15,000.
That said, the military is ~2MM according to wikipedia and an article I'm looking at from NYT says that roughly .06% of the US population. That would mean that approx. 1,200 people in the military would be trans unless there is disproportionate representation. But could that order of magnitude for representation be 5-12?
The RAND study that I see in the news says 1,300-6,000 (rounding here) and Jenner says 15,000. If anything the only number that I could see being accurate is the low end of the RAND study.
Edit: To clarify this is not a "there's only a few of them" post. Rather the numbers I've seen in the news today didn't pass my initial gut check and I am trying to validate.
That said, the military is ~2MM according to wikipedia and an article I'm looking at from NYT says that roughly .06% of the US population. That would mean that approx. 1,200 people in the military would be trans unless there is disproportionate representation. But could that order of magnitude for representation be 5-12?
The RAND study that I see in the news says 1,300-6,000 (rounding here) and Jenner says 15,000. If anything the only number that I could see being accurate is the low end of the RAND study.
Edit: To clarify this is not a "there's only a few of them" post. Rather the numbers I've seen in the news today didn't pass my initial gut check and I am trying to validate.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yuuuup.
The only thing anyone could be gullible about with Trump is how he said he'd bring jobs back. But what kind of drooling imbecile would believe that a NYC billionaire who lives in a tower of gold with his name on it, would have the interests of factory workers and the middle class at heart, really.
Daaamn
It might not have made you a racist, but it sure as shit would have made you a racist-enabling dumbfuck, and you would rightly get shit for it. Seriously, admitting you considered voting "for the lulz" is not the shining defense you think it is.
Also, I'm starting to think you totally did vote for him. That would explain why you're so defensive.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
Yep. In the words of Obama "Come on man!"
I have no idea why, but I once heard that the army DO have a disproportionate representation of trans people.
Maybe it is like being in denial -> trying to be super manly to compensate -> army
Gender Confirmation is better than SRS
GRS is just wrong.
Maybe it is like being in denial -> trying to be super manly to compensate -> army
Gender Confirmation is better than SRS
GRS is just wrong.
A Link to the Past
Banned
There needs to be a sequel to this:
"How could I have known???"
"How could I have known???"
airmangataosenai
Member
Kind of worried about my friend at a different base who recently came out as transgendee. I havent heard from her yet, she is probably devastated.
No, it's because trans people have no civil rights protection and can be fired or evicted for being transgender with no recourse in most states.
The Armed Forces won't do that. Until today!
"He's mostly eating others."There needs to be a sequel to this:
"How could I have known???"
Psychoward
Banned
errr, you do realize trans citizens go both ways right
source on viagra stat?
bumpkin
Member
Absolutely disgusting. There was a segment on the news earlier where Trump made a campaign promise that he'd "protect" the LGBT community. I bet his supporters will say he is protecting them, by not letting them get killed in war/conflicts.
In reality, it's just another tactic to try and take everyone's attention off of the Russian investigation. I wish they'd find the smoking gun and bury his ass already. Our government impeached Clinton for getting a hummer from an intern, but Trump is fucking us all, and nothing is happening.
In reality, it's just another tactic to try and take everyone's attention off of the Russian investigation. I wish they'd find the smoking gun and bury his ass already. Our government impeached Clinton for getting a hummer from an intern, but Trump is fucking us all, and nothing is happening.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I think it's an unintended positive consequence for him. His real goal truly seems to be to make sure that his wall bullshit isn't as much of a disaster as the healthcare repeal has been for him.
Or maybe it's the other way around.
TumblingHippo
Member
Lots of gays can also be pretty transphobic unfortunately, and just as bigoted as the people who hate them. It sucks that some gays don't understand that if you don't support the T in LGBT the other letters fall as well.
SpaceCadetKeon
Banned
I don't have any unique insight to add, but I just wanted to say fuck that fat lying orange scrotum and fuck anyone who likes him.
Fixed that for you since he stinks and he's full of shit.
I still can't believe this. I know zero trans people, so from a "personal stakes" standpoint this doesn't affect me at all, but it's still one of the most hurtful things this rancid growth of pus-filled anal cancer has done.
Forget the ugliness of the policy of itself, look at the way he f*cking said it. "... cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail..."
The implication here being that trans people are disruptive leeches just by their very existence. If it's even offensive to someone like me, I can't even imagine how ugly it feels to people who know/are trans themselves. Not that anyone would want to lay down their life for this sorry-ass country right now in the military anyway, but that's beside the point.
You know, I made a post last year around the fourth of July calling some guy who burned the flag in protest an edgelord doofus. While I still think he was doing it for attention, it doesn't matter anymore. Burn it all down - for as long as Trump is president, I don't think it's literally possible for me to feel any sense of patriotism or love for the dumbass states of america. I almost want to go buy a bunch of flags this weekend just to burn them privately in my home.
Thank God Nintendo is hot right now again. If they keep pumping out these grade-A games, I can keep sleepwalking through existence until either this nightmare is over or we're all dead.
Forget the ugliness of the policy of itself, look at the way he f*cking said it. "... cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail..."
The implication here being that trans people are disruptive leeches just by their very existence. If it's even offensive to someone like me, I can't even imagine how ugly it feels to people who know/are trans themselves. Not that anyone would want to lay down their life for this sorry-ass country right now in the military anyway, but that's beside the point.
You know, I made a post last year around the fourth of July calling some guy who burned the flag in protest an edgelord doofus. While I still think he was doing it for attention, it doesn't matter anymore. Burn it all down - for as long as Trump is president, I don't think it's literally possible for me to feel any sense of patriotism or love for the dumbass states of america. I almost want to go buy a bunch of flags this weekend just to burn them privately in my home.
Thank God Nintendo is hot right now again. If they keep pumping out these grade-A games, I can keep sleepwalking through existence until either this nightmare is over or we're all dead.
There needs to be a sequel to this:
"How could I have known???"
"He'll probably be full long before he gets to us."
Went to Facebook and someone I know that is in the military posted this;
"For everyone that is getting upset due to what Trump just put out....Just hear me out if the military will separate you for being BiPolar, Depressed...try and find help for alcohol or anger problems. Why you think it's ok to put someone on meds trying to change genders in combat or potential combat. So your saying one medical condition is better than the other."
"For everyone that is getting upset due to what Trump just put out....Just hear me out if the military will separate you for being BiPolar, Depressed...try and find help for alcohol or anger problems. Why you think it's ok to put someone on meds trying to change genders in combat or potential combat. So your saying one medical condition is better than the other."
you have no fucking idea how many pathetic gay dudes think that the trans struggle somehow isn't also related to their own, and how many dumbasses forget that it was TRANS WOMEN OF COLOR who fucking fought for their dumbasses first.
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
"He's got the flag in his hands. He's okay with us. Fuck everyone elseThere needs to be a sequel to this:
"How could I have known???"
"SpaceCadetKeon
Banned
Your acquaintance in the military is ignorant, and I've had it with people making being transgender out to be a mental illness.
Psychoward
Banned
Tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about and to shut the fuck up and link a few articles if you're feeling generous.
And then unfriend him to save yourself the headache.
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
And there should be no forgiveness for those people either. Anyone for discrimination of any kind might as well admit they believe "it's not enough for me to be happy, I want others to not be as happy".
That feeling when even Orrin Hatch disagrees with you:
https://twitter.com/MekahloNBCLA/status/890330771981914112
Are you going to try this shtick in every bad Trump thread? Your derailing tactic is too transparent already. There's nothing genius about Trump, just greediness and bigotry. In this case for example was him actually not understanding the issue at hand and just acting on impulse. I guess having no love for trans people helped the decision.
Pyroclastic
Banned
I mean most of it aired during the bush years, it already was one.
A Link to the Past
Banned
To be fair, isn't Hatch on the lower-end of anti-LGBT politicians?
Very well said.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I'm curious, was this discovery based on things happening that affecting you personally/affecting those around you or because you're just paying more attention?