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Trump: Trans Soldiers now barred from the military entirely

Brandson

Member
We are capable of paying attention to multiple things at a time and Trumpcare is almost as dead as John McCain.

The American media hasn't shown itself to be readily capable of that at any point since Trump's appearance on the political scene. Assuming the healthcare debate is over would be very foolish.
 

jstripes

Banned
That's hysterical because I'm a Republican, have been open about it, and mostly felt the GOP deserves better leadership than Trump.

Never got any grief for it.

It's possible to have differing opinions and have a reasonable debate, but I wouldn't expect Reddit to understand that.
 
This is a pretty effective misdirection to get people to lose focus while their healthcare is being taken away.

Banning Americans from serving in the military based on gender would ultimately prove to be unconstitutional, but it would make a lot of noise in the meantime. The military doesn't know what Trump is talking about, and there is nothing even resembling an implementation plan. Maybe Trump pushes this forward, maybe not. Right now, there are more pressing fires that need attention too, which Trump is hoping you'll forget about.

The media falls for this every single time. Trump probably can't believe this trick still works, after he keeps pulling it out time and time again.

Only three months ago the seventh circuit court of appeals ruled that workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation violates federal civil rights law, and that is based on a narrow reading of Title VII of the civil rights act of 1964.
https://www.lambdalegal.org/blog/20...oyers-cant-discriminate-against-gay-employees

It hasn't gone to the supreme court yet and in most states there are no LGBT protections for employment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_employment_discrimination_in_the_United_States

Legally speaking, its not clear if any of that applies to trans either as Title VII says employers cannot discriminate on the basis of sex, race, color, national origin, or religion and my understanding is that trans identity is rooted in gender, not sex and gender is not a protected class under Title VII.

Even the gay rights ruling by the 7th court is a bit dicey imo, since there is nothing in Title VII about sexuality. Its a big roll of the dice on when the issue gets to the Supreme Court eventually whether they say that Title VII needs to be amended by Congress to include sexuality (and then gender as well) or agree that discrimination on sexuality is a form of sex discrimination. That still wouldn't really answer whether trans folks are also covered under sexual discrimination. As far as I know, every single case of a trans person being fired for just being trans has been ruled as legal under the law - Hobby Lobby, a funeral home in Detroit, and others.

While there are federal guidelines for federal jobs, those were issued by executive order, not passed by Congress, so they could be overturned by Trump anytime he wants.

The 11th court of appeals also ruled in March of this year that Title VII does NOT protect sexual orientation, completely conflicting with the ruling by the 7th court.
https://www.natlawreview.com/articl...discrimination-not-actionable-under-title-vii

All that means is that eventually the supreme court is going to have to rule, and many people suspect they will punt it to Congress who aren't going to amend Title VII anytime soon.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
The user I presume that this derail refers to wasn't banned for their contributions to this thread, they were banned for being a re-registration of a previously permanently banned user banned for console war stuff (related to Sony/MS patching policy last generation) totally unrelated to politics. The reason the ban was made now is because we upgraded the tools we use to detect these situations a few years ago and the user hadn't posted in that time--or at least not in a thread where any moderator saw them--so the flag was not caught until now.

The terms of service make clear in the first paragraph that alternate account usage / re-registration are not permitted. The ban message in this case also clearly conveys that the reason for the ban is the re-registration scenario. Bans, warnings, and other sanctions are between the user in question and moderation, not random internet gawkers. It is not fair to either the user who was banned or us to have assumptions made about why they were banned. People are banned when they break the rules here, but that doesn't mean they're bad people or deserve to be roped into off-site drama. We allow users to discuss why they were banned or warned, but otherwise the process ensures their privacy. That's our policy in part because of the benefits on the moderation side, and in part because of the benefits of preserving the dignity of the person banned. This is also why over the last few years we've made a concerted effort to reduce "public" banning.

Spreading misinformation derails discussion here, but more importantly for the people who do it, does nothing to highlight or address genuine grievances people have with site rules and/or moderation. In the future please do not post weird off-site drama stuff. This will be the last post in the thread not connected to the thread's subject.
 

m0dus

Banned
To leave this thread with something constructive, I encourage anyone upset by this, beyond voicing your opinions, to donate to trans lifeline:

http://www.translifeline.org

Provides crisis support, on the phone counseling. No matter what your particular beliefs (religious or political), things like emotional support and suicide prevention should transcend any issues that may otherwise be openly debated.
 

Chmpocalypse

Blizzard
This is another abdication of leadership from the US, only months after letting other countries lead on climate change. The free world is moving further and further from looking towards the US as a leader.

I'm not sure if, all things considered, that's necessarily a bad thing. We certainly don't deserve to lead at this time. Quite possibly, we never really did. It's complex.
 

nOoblet16

Member
The biggest military spender in the world that spends like 10 times more than the 2nd biggest spender is not allowing a handful of trans people to him because of cost and budget.


Makes sense.
 
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