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Trump: Trans Soldiers now barred from the military entirely

rjinaz

Member
Not american, but can relate. My Grandpa - on the surface - is a nice guy. Cheery, pleasant and has obviously done a lot for me over the years. But he's also super racist and misogynistic. And doesn't think the British Empire did ANYTHING wrong.

: /

Exactly. People want to be protective of their family but they need to be honest.

There was a great post last year or so, don't remember who made it or if I could find it if I tried, and I absolutely won't do it justice here, but it was basically along the lines of "You can't just be a 'nice guy' or do good things X, Y, and Z to earn 'not a racist' tokens to exchange as necessary." That concept expands to everything else as well, not just racism, and yet so many people have trouble with that. Like, a person couldn't possibly hold absolutely despicable beliefs have detestable character traits because they were a kind and caring parent or they did charity work or whatever. It doesn't work like that.

Exactly. They care about a specific group of people in America. They may treat that one group like they would their lovers. But we're all Americans. Republicans and specifically Trump voters don't see it that way.
 

jelly

Member
You can say life is good for the middle class and they probably don't care but don't you think there is a point when it's too late and you suffer anyway when you should have pushed back. Maybe the economy is doing alright but what happens now could snowball into a disaster down the road and you will pay big time them, same with other things.
 
Some of them, sure. Definitely.

Here we go. I am going to open myself up to a firestorm of hate from the Rep haters here, but here we go.

I consider myself a left of center moderate, with libertarian leanings. I fucking despised Trump. But I didnt vote because I didnt like Hilary either, and I chose not to choose between the lesser of two evils. However, I live in Texas, so my vote was largely irrelevant. Texas was going for Trump.

Now for the shitty part....

99% of my family are republicans. Including my highly educated parents. They are not racist. They are not bigoted. My sister is a lesbian and they love her dearly. So before I say anything else, FUCK ANYONE that acuses my family of voting for Trump because of being racist or bigoted.

My family, INCLUDING MY LESBIAN SISTER, almost all voted for Trump. They did it because they were gullible, bought into his charade, his cavalcade of lies. My sister was going to vote Hilary until she heard the deplorables comment. That single statement swung her vote to a man she otherwise wouldnt have voted for.

I get so goddamn sick and tired of this us vs them shit and everyone inthese threads accusing ALL republicans of the despicable nature that is so obvious in Trump, and by turning a blind eye to his actions, the rest of the Reps in washington.

So yes, fuck republican politicians. Fuck any of the racist bigoted republicans who voted for Trump for those reasons. But I draw the line there.

And people are so caught up in supporting their goddamn team, that they refuse to accept this reality. They refuse to accept the fact that there are good, hard working, loving, non racist, non bigoted republicans out there like my family that voted for this incompentent, blubbering, bigoted orange toad simply because they were so short sighted and gullible that they believed the lies of his that they cherry picked and chose to focus on, blind to the rest of what was so obvious about him to me and most other neutrals/democrats.


Yes my statement of fuck both sides is probably taking this long-winded response too far in the other direction, and obfuscating the fact that the subject matter at hand is most definitely tied to the evils of the republican party. But I do hate both sides, insofar as I hate the fact that we have "sides" at all.




Yep, and human nature sucks. I did read your post. I think I agree with a lot of what you say. My feelings on the matter at hand are covered above. I will probably step back from this thread because I am sure my family is about to be shit on and I dont feel like getting banned defending them.


You may think your family is not racist or bigoted all you want, but it looks like they were okay with racism and bigotry to the point where they voted for the guy who says Mexicans are racists and brags about grabbing women's genitals.
 

Buckle

Member
You and your family would garner more sympathy if Trump was a normal, flawed candidate during the election that revealed himself as a terrible person during his presidency. But from day 1 (Mexicans are rapists), all the signs were there. Trump was always a perfidious human being, with a personal character so obviously terrible even his supporters secretly know it.
I have no sympathy for anyone who voted Trump and then dares to turn around and say "don't blame me!" or "I didn't think this would happen".

It could not have been more obvious what Trump's bigoted agenda was and how he was going to fuck over as many people as he can. He's a comically over the top version of everything people are warned about republicans, you knew what you were doing.
 
Politico has the story behind this

Trump was asked to step in to ban trans operations on taxpayers dime and instead of doing just that he went the whole way much to the surprise/disgust of the two opposing camps involved.
 

PopeReal

Member
Don't forget those that sat home because, surely, that woman with the pantsuit would have CLEARLY been just as bad in the last 7 months..

Those were members of the "smarter than you" crowd.

They see both sides, and will remind you that it is everyone else's job to convince racists not to racist. Responsibility is not their strong suit.

Either way, they are enlightened.
 
And people are so caught up in supporting their goddamn team, that they refuse to accept this reality. They refuse to accept the fact that there are good, hard working, loving, non racist, non bigoted republicans out there like my family that voted for [Trump]
Count me in. I refuse to accept that non-bigoted people support the guy who opened his campaign with "Mexicans are rapists" and started his presidency with a Muslim travel ban. Being able to accept a leader who holds those positions without your brain screaming means that they don't offend you, when they should. It sucks to say that - my mom voted for Trump. But I believe this about her, too.

Unfortunately I think you're underestimating how widespread a problem bigotry truly is.
 
The concern trolling about the deplorables comment is infuriating. So you are telling me that one comment made you vote for the guy who said worse things everyday on the campaign trail? No. You are a liar. You just want an excuse for your bigotry.
 

PopeReal

Member
The concern trolling about the deplorables comment is infuriating. So you are telling me that one comment made you vote for the guy who said worse things everyday on the campaign trail? No. You are a liar. You just want an excuse for your bigotry.

They are liars. For that one "mean" (but obviously true comment), Trump had 100.
 

commedieu

Banned
So... can I be upset and call out bullshit and idiocy now?

Sure. But don't bring Aunt Ruth into it. She was a single issue republican voter and donated time to deaf kids. She doesn't mind rampant bigotry. But it's not like she's out gassing people.

She's just enabling people to buy the gas.
 
The concern trolling about the deplorables comment is infuriating. So you are telling me that one comment made you vote for the guy who said worse things everyday on the campaign trail? No. You are a liar. You just want an excuse for your bigotry.

I can't stand all the division in this country! I can't believe she called my family members deplorable! That's why I voted for sexually assaulting racist idiot!
 

RDreamer

Member
"My family isn't racist or bigoted, they just voted for the racist bigot!"

Look, we need to get fucking real here. No one's a perfect angel. 99% of white people are racist in some way or have said something racist or done something racist or have a racist fucking opinion. It's the same for sexism and other bigotry, too. We don't live in a society like this and escape that. We can try. We can fight. We can be better. We can progress, but that shit's still there. We need to call this stuff as it is, too. You don't get to pretend that the only racism is mustache twirling while you're burning a cross on someone's yard. Crossing the street when you see someone that makes you feel uneasy is a racist action. Voting for a guy that said what he said about Mexican immigrants and Mexican Americans was a racist action. Voting for a guy that said we needed to ban Muslims was a xenophobic and racist action. I'm sorry, but it was.

"They were gullible! They bought into his charade!"

WHAT CHARADE!? He wasn't selling himself as some well spoken wholesome guy that treated everyone with respect. This stuff didn't just jump out from nowhere after the election. Nothing changed. If someone tells you they're selling a bottle of piss and you gladly accept and gulp that shit down don't get defensive and say you didn't mean to. You were told. You bought it. You deserve it.
 
Sure. But don't bring Aunt Ruth into it. She was a single issue republican voter and donated time to deaf kids. She doesn't mind rampant bigotry. But it's not like she's out gassing people.

She's just enabling people to buy the gas.
lol

But seriously, though. GAF has a problem with this concern bullshit and garbage posters and I don't see anything happening to fix it. It's actually disappointing.
 
There are many different types of racism.

There's active, unashamed racism, where people feel fine publicly declaring their supremacist ideas.

And then there's the kind of racist that isn't actively speaking out in racist terms- but who nontheless heard trump labeling Mexicans racist, railing against muslims and declaring that he wanted Jewish, not black lawyers. They heard those things, but decided it was still in THEIR interest to vote for him. It's not active racism - it's, "I'll vote for a racist if it suits me" racism.

Group two are always the most outraged if their racism is ever pointed out.
 

rjinaz

Member
So he did this to secure funding for border wall. Beyond disgusting. Hurry up, Mueller.

Yup. A complete waste of money that will accomplish nothing except as acting as a monument for Trump. I mean, shouldn't all of us Americans give up our rights for it? Why stop here?
 

Ollie Pooch

In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Yup. A complete waste of money that will accomplish nothing except as acting as a monument for Trump. I mean, shouldn't all of us Americans give up our rights for it? Why stop here?
It's shown he will literally do anything, throw anyone under the bus to further his own goals or boost his ego. I struggle to think of a shittier person. Everything about this man is shit.
 
Sure. But don't bring Aunt Ruth into it. She was a single issue republican voter and donated time to deaf kids. She doesn't mind rampant bigotry. But it's not like she's out gassing people.

She's just enabling people to buy the gas.

Oh my god is Aunt Ruth the lady who "died" because of the Oakland bridge protest? lol
Gordon Shumway deserves a tag for that.
 
Curious what all the LGBT people who voted for this worthless piece of shit have to say. Not talking about GAF; just in general.
"lol I'm fine as long as it's not me. Back to making excuses about how anyone that doesn't match my type of sexuality doesn't count as LGBT or how I'm not praised enough or how Mexicans are ruining that side of town, so don't go there. Those are the REAL ISSUES".

Just mashed together most of the talking points I've heard over here.
 
Curious what all the LGBT people who voted for this worthless piece of shit have to say. Not talking about GAF; just in general.

As the dude that spoke on his personal opinion, based on his family and friends, it'd likely be the same. Look, end of the day, some are willing to swallow that "bitter pill" if certain checkmarks are there..logic be damned. This is nothing new, mind you. It's just more amplified, to their chagrin..
 
Curious what all the LGBT people who voted for this worthless piece of shit have to say. Not talking about GAF; just in general.

Split between bullshit rationalizing and "I don't understand, I thought he had our backs! I'm so disappointed!" with absolutely no one learning any lessons and dropping support because at the end of the day they're still Republicans for all of the other shitty parts of the party.

You know, the usual anytime a group is fucked over by Trump.
 

rhandino

Banned
Curious what all the LGBT people who voted for this worthless piece of shit have to say. Not talking about GAF; just in general.
"Fuck them, Got Mine!"

Basically that.

People tend to forget that the problems that Trans people suffer everyday are not the same ones that the LGB part suffer (especially if those live in liberal areas and are white) and sometimes Trans people are also trashed by people that should be their allies.
 
I always find it distracting because I actually had an elderly Aunt (actually great-aunt, but we didn't call her that) Ruth.

Fuuuck. Damn, man..me too. The fucking lot of us have biblical namesv in my family, unless my pops had a say. First thing to pop into my head. Sorry..for real.
 

Turin

Banned
I served in the us military during three periods: DADT, the transition between allowing gays and transgender people to openly serve, and the New Normal of gays and transgender people openly serving.

Fuck every last Republican who is in support of this shit. Including posters on this board. These people have sacrificed just as much as anyone else in the military. Some did it while they were forced under specific and direct threat that if they ever revealed who they truly were they would be summarily deemed unfit to serve any further an discharged. People who wanted nothing more than to serve their country openly and freely. Those motherfuckers are far more brave and openly show more courage in their pinky then any fat pasty ass Republican who never served.

One of the best medics I knew when I was in was kicked out because she mistakenly, in a moment of needing comfort and emotional support told the wrong person that she was transgender in the era of DADT. That bigot told another bigot, and that bigot made sure it went up the chain until she was left with nothing and thrown out. She wound up fucking prostituting herself afterwards just to survive.

Who the fuck is someone like Trump, a draft dodger, able to tell someone that they can't give back to this country? Fuck you you miserable orange piece of shit. You don't care about our military, you don't care about our citizens, you probably barely even care about your family (but you will still throw them under the bus when it comes time to save your own skin, if you don't die of a cholesterol problem before it comes to that).

So again I say fuck anybody who is ok with this. Fuck any neogaf poster, fuck any red Piller, and fuck and Republican living who it's ok with this.

You will all answer for this you merchants of human misery.

I commend you for your service. My sympathies for your friend.
 
When support is low, mention God. That sure will rally the voters.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961

Wow, I missed this tweet.

Just wow
 
Has any more leaked out about what the fuck 'military decision' means?

A reporter raised a good point at the presser earlier: 18 other countries allow this, so we must know what these critical findings were!



Sarcasm implied but to be on the safe side
 

eshwaaz

Member
I have no sympathy for anyone who voted Trump and then dares to turn around and say "don't blame me!" or "I didn't think this would happen".

It could not have been more obvious what Trump's bigoted agenda was and how he was going to fuck over as many people as he can. He's a comically over the top version of everything people are warned about republicans, you knew what you were doing.

The concern trolling about the deplorables comment is infuriating. So you are telling me that one comment made you vote for the guy who said worse things everyday on the campaign trail? No. You are a liar. You just want an excuse for your bigotry.

"They were gullible! They bought into his charade!"

WHAT CHARADE!? He wasn't selling himself as some well spoken wholesome guy that treated everyone with respect. This stuff didn't just jump out from nowhere after the election. Nothing changed. If someone tells you they're selling a bottle of piss and you gladly accept and gulp that shit down don't get defensive and say you didn't mean to. You were told. You bought it. You deserve it.
Agree with all of this. Trump could not have been more transparent and blatant about who he is and what's important to him. He's not even a good liar. There was nothing to be fooled by, and no one who voted for him has any right to be surprised by his behavior and actions as POTUS. What we're getting now is exactly the man we saw during the campaign.
 
There were 9 minutes between the first and second Trump tweet announcing this.

During that time, the Pentagon was white-knuckling it, fearing that Trump was about to announce strikes against North Korea.

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...was-announcing-military-action-on-north-korea

At the Pentagon, the first of the three tweets raised fears that the president was getting ready to announce strikes on North Korea or some other military action. Many said they were left in suspense for nine minutes, the time between the first and second tweet. Only after the second tweet did military officials receive the news the president was announcing a personnel change on Twitter.

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^ Scary as fuck that this is our reality, and this is how fragile our system of leadership really is.

Any argument that Trump's tweets are not official presidential statements now have to go out the window, if the fucking Pentagon has to take cues from them. So now, the people Trump blocked actually have a case!
 

mr_nexus

Banned
What a giant orange sack of shit.

I wish Fred Trump had worn a fucking condom. Would have saved millions of people from misery.
 
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