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Trump: Trans Soldiers now barred from the military entirely

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kitchenmotors

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lifeexpectancy said:
Some of them, sure. Definitely.

Here we go. I am going to open myself up to a firestorm of hate from the Rep haters here, but here we go.

I consider myself a left of center moderate, with libertarian leanings. I fucking despised Trump. But I didnt vote because I didnt like Hilary either, and I chose not to choose between the lesser of two evils. However, I live in Texas, so my vote was largely irrelevant. Texas was going for Trump.

Now for the shitty part....

99% of my family are republicans. Including my highly educated parents. They are not racist. They are not bigoted. My sister is a lesbian and they love her dearly. So before I say anything else, FUCK ANYONE that acuses my family of voting for Trump because of being racist or bigoted.

My family, INCLUDING MY LESBIAN SISTER, almost all voted for Trump. They did it because they were gullible, bought into his charade, his cavalcade of lies. My sister was going to vote Hilary until she heard the deplorables comment. That single statement swung her vote to a man she otherwise wouldnt have voted for.

I get so goddamn sick and tired of this us vs them shit and everyone inthese threads accusing ALL republicans of the despicable nature that is so obvious in Trump, and by turning a blind eye to his actions, the rest of the Reps in washington.

So yes, fuck republican politicians. Fuck any of the racist bigoted republicans who voted for Trump for those reasons. But I draw the line there.

And people are so caught up in supporting their goddamn team, that they refuse to accept this reality. They refuse to accept the fact that there are good, hard working, loving, non racist, non bigoted republicans out there like my family that voted for this incompentent, blubbering, bigoted orange toad simply because they were so short sighted and gullible that they believed the lies of his that they cherry picked and chose to focus on, blind to the rest of what was so obvious about him to me and most other neutrals/democrats.


Yes my statement of fuck both sides is probably taking this long-winded response too far in the other direction, and obfuscating the fact that the subject matter at hand is most definitely tied to the evils of the republican party. But I do hate both sides, insofar as I hate the fact that we have "sides" at all.




Yep, and human nature sucks. I did read your post. I think I agree with a lot of what you say. My feelings on the matter at hand are covered above. I will probably step back from this thread because I am sure my family is about to be shit on and I dont feel like getting banned defending them.
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I don’t care. You can still be a lesbian and a bigot. And your family can still be diet racists and bigots by endorsing someone who has power to make the lives of minorities a living hell.

So get out of here with that shit.
 
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Gordon Shumway

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uncelestial said:
Yup. "I'm not a single-issue voter," she said.

Hopefully being rebuked by her stings a bit (and raises some press interest).
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Brinbe

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<3 Canada even more after that tweet. We may not be perfect, but at least we don't have to deal with this divisive bullshit.
 
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SoRuffShoNuff

Member
lifeexpectancy said:
Some of them, sure. Definitely.

Here we go. I am going to open myself up to a firestorm of hate from the Rep haters here, but here we go.

I consider myself a left of center moderate, with libertarian leanings. I fucking despised Trump. But I didnt vote because I didnt like Hilary either, and I chose not to choose between the lesser of two evils. However, I live in Texas, so my vote was largely irrelevant. Texas was going for Trump.

Now for the shitty part....

99% of my family are republicans. Including my highly educated parents. They are not racist. They are not bigoted. My sister is a lesbian and they love her dearly. So before I say anything else, FUCK ANYONE that acuses my family of voting for Trump because of being racist or bigoted.

My family, INCLUDING MY LESBIAN SISTER, almost all voted for Trump. They did it because they were gullible, bought into his charade, his cavalcade of lies. My sister was going to vote Hilary until she heard the deplorables comment. That single statement swung her vote to a man she otherwise wouldnt have voted for.

I get so goddamn sick and tired of this us vs them shit and everyone inthese threads accusing ALL republicans of the despicable nature that is so obvious in Trump, and by turning a blind eye to his actions, the rest of the Reps in washington.

So yes, fuck republican politicians. Fuck any of the racist bigoted republicans who voted for Trump for those reasons. But I draw the line there.

And people are so caught up in supporting their goddamn team, that they refuse to accept this reality. They refuse to accept the fact that there are good, hard working, loving, non racist, non bigoted republicans out there like my family that voted for this incompentent, blubbering, bigoted orange toad simply because they were so short sighted and gullible that they believed the lies of his that they cherry picked and chose to focus on, blind to the rest of what was so obvious about him to me and most other neutrals/democrats.


Yes my statement of fuck both sides is probably taking this long-winded response too far in the other direction, and obfuscating the fact that the subject matter at hand is most definitely tied to the evils of the republican party. But I do hate both sides, insofar as I hate the fact that we have "sides" at all.




Yep, and human nature sucks. I did read your post. I think I agree with a lot of what you say. My feelings on the matter at hand are covered above. I will probably step back from this thread because I am sure my family is about to be shit on and I dont feel like getting banned defending them.
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Spend all your time supporting racists you can't be mad when people assume you are a racist.
 
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ty_hot

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On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
 
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Tovarisc

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Pentagon spends 10 times more on erectile disfunction meds than transgender services

The Pentagon spent $84 million on erectile disfunction medications in 2014, 10 times the estimated annual medical costs for transgender services.

Military Times reported in 2015 that the military spent $84 million on erectile disfunction medications such as Viagra and Cialis the year before. Meanwhile, a 2016 Rand Corporation study estimated that the maximum annual medical costs for transgender military members would be around $8.4 million, Business Insider reports.

"You're talking about .000001% of the military budget," being spent on transgender services, Navy SEAL veteran Kristin Beck, who is transgender, told Business Insider.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...imes-more-on-erectile-disfunction-medications

Yes... such unbearable costs and disruption of unit... suuure...

Since I saw tweet basically mention unit cohesion this West Wing scene has been on my mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbPGsLSw1k
 
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Jazz573

Member
As a trans person living in Canada, I'm very thankful my government isn't actively trying to take away my fucking human rights. I really feel for trans people living in the US (on GAF and outside of GAF) and I wish there was a way I could help them, but I don't really see what I can do.
 
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Gordon Shumway

Banned
ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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Trump da gawd be praised..
 
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TumblingHippo

Member
ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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I hate this mentality. Real people are being hurt by this as well and people care.
 
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Gordon Shumway

Banned
Jazz573 said:
As a trans person living in Canada, I'm very thankful my government isn't actively trying to take away my fucking human rights. I really feel for trans people living in the US (on GAF and outside of GAF) and I wish there was a way I could help them, but I don't really see what I can do.
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Hmmmm..

HarryKS said:
Why do you fall for that? They're selling you a picture that does not reflect the reality of how those people are really treated in the Canadian forces.
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Gotta ask, with no bullshit..which is it?
 
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DrForester

Kills Photobucket
lifeexpectancy said:
I get so goddamn sick and tired of this us vs them shit and everyone inthese threads accusing ALL republicans of the despicable nature that is so obvious in Trump, and by turning a blind eye to his actions, the rest of the Reps in washington.

So yes, fuck republican politicians. Fuck any of the racist bigoted republicans who voted for Trump for those reasons. But I draw the line there.
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Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that "I'm not a racist I just vote for them" isn't an excuse.


Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they are a racist.
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they are a bigot.
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they approved him committing sexual assault.
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they approved of him promising racist polices
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they approved of his plans to kick millions off their health care plans by repealing Obamacare.
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they are EVERYTHING Trump represents.
 
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rjinaz

Member
ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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And what would change if this thread was 4 pages and the other was 44? That bill didn't pass which is amazing, but it's just a step in the process. People will be more tuned in when final votes happen. The taking away of basic rights is big fucking news it doesn't matter if Trump the grand master did it to distract or if he woke up this morning and said fuck it I want my damn wall.

Why do people want others to ignore the horrendous things Trump does and why can't people focus on two things at once?
 
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Palette Swap

Member
ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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How much did you make with Dilbert?
 
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Zolo

Member
ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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That wasn't news. That was expected. It's the skinny repeal news that'll get the attention.
 
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my name is ed

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ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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Wow ur so right

Trump is brilliant

Nvm the amount of time already spent discussing Republicans failure to repeal Obamacare since they decided to make that their agenda which was hmm idk since Obamacare passed

Obamacare repeal failure isn't new. Trump wanting to remove transgender people from serving is.
 
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Lowmelody

Member
DrForester said:
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that "I'm not a racist I just vote for them" isn't an excuse.

Every one of your family members who voted for Trump is a racist.
Every one of you family members who voted for Trump is a bigot.
Every one of your family members who voted for Trump approved him committing sexual assault.
Every one of your family members who voted for Trump approved of him promising racist polices
Every one of your family members who voted for Trump approved of his plans to kick millions off their health care plans by repealing Obamacare.
Every one of your family members who voted for Trump is EVERYTHING Trump represents.
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Yup, there are no shadows left to hide in. Yall front and center and history will remember.
 
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VariantX

Member
uncelestial said:
There were 9 minutes between the first and second Trump tweet announcing this.

During that time, the Pentagon was white-knuckling it, fearing that Trump was about to announce strikes against North Korea.

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...was-announcing-military-action-on-north-korea



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^ Scary as fuck that this is our reality, and this is how fragile our system of leadership really is.

Any argument that Trump's tweets are not official presidential statements now have to go out the window, if the fucking Pentagon has to take cues from them. So now, the people Trump blocked actually have a case!
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The tweets are real, the news is fake.

Minimum 3 1/2 years left, assuming he doesn't get dragged out of office over the 700 investigations going on.
 
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Imperfected

Member
rambis said:
Honestly this isn't that big a deal logistically. Highest estimate I saw put Trans numbers around 15k in all the branches combined. Some individual service branches averaged more than 10k loss a year just on downsizing in recent years. There isn't a lot of money to be saved here either.
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You do realize only 2,386 US service members had been killed in Afghanistan as of 2016, right? I don't think you actually understand how large of a number 15,000 is in military logistics. "Downsizing" generally happens to soldiers who have failed to advance for disciplinary or other problems, in outmoded occupational specialties who have failed retraining, or who otherwise are accounted-for as minimal losses.

Most of the transgender soldiers I've known have served in highly-trained and desirable MOS fields like satellite communications, medicine, legal, and finance. You can't just shelve 15,000 of them and expect it to have the same impact as mustering out 10,000 marginal soldiers, many of whom were probably looking at voluntary or forced separation anyway. That's not a reasonable equivocation in terms of manpower and logistics.

Even taking a lowball estimate of $1,000,000 a head to replace them, that's $15,000,000,000 off the top to replace them for a savings of likely less than $10,000,000 in terms of avoiding medical transitioning costs in military coverage. Then you also have to deal with the fact you have cut out a percentage of qualified applicants to the MOS fields, which means now you most likely have to incur costs--increasing signing bonuses to make up recruiting shortfalls, increasing training facilities and staffing to push through more soldiers through faster, or just lowering your standards across the board and taking on all the risks that entails--and again, you get very little out of it.

You're also almost certainly looking at paying continuing benefits for these 15,000 soldiers regardless, because while I'm sure it's a Republican wet dream to boot them out on a dishonorable discharge, it's only going to take one highly-decorated transgender soldier being mustered out on a completely undeserved dishonorable discharge for this to turn into political suicide.
 
Turbo Killer

Turbo Killer

Member
ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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Ok...but they lost the vote? So why is the media focus important? What are you even saying?
 
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watershed

Banned
ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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If you find yourself thinking Trump is a genius, you're probably an idiot. Trump may be a great salesman, but he's still an idiot who makes a ton of mistakes. Everything is well thought out, yeah firing Comey was really well thought out. Announcing new military policy via twitter without informing the pentagon was really well thought out. Bullying republicans has really helped pass the BHCA in the senate. Don't be a joke character.
 
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Linkura

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Just called out some old guy on my cousin's Facebook for saying he wouldn't want to serve with someone "with psychological issues." He told me I had I potty mouth for my Mr. Chow "Hahahaha fuck you" gif and for calling him a bigot, and then deleted the entire conversation.

This guy has a picture of himself with a giant Jesus statue in his activity log. Fuck these out of touch old fucks. They are ruining our country.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
ty_hot said:
On another thread people laughed when I said Trump was a great marketig guy, that he doesnt do anything by mistake, everything is well thought. We are now on 44 pages of this trans soldier news while the failed repeal of obamacare has 4. He succesfuly changed the news focus yet again.
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Did a great job single-handedly undercutting any possible good press from the Foxconn announcement. Nice work on his part.
 
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Mango The Magician

Banned
Lowmelody said:
Yup, there are no shadows left to hide in. Yall front and center and history will remember.
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DrForester said:
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that "I'm not a racist I just vote for them" isn't an excuse.


Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they are a racist.
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they are a bigot.
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they approved him committing sexual assault.
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they approved of him promising racist polices
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they approved of his plans to kick millions off their health care plans by repealing Obamacare.
Please tell your family members that voted for Trump that they are EVERYTHING Trump represents.
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Sobriquet said:
So your sister voted for Trump because she misunderstood Hillary's comment? Embarrassing.
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SoRuffShoNuff said:
Spend all your time supporting racists you can't be mad when people assume you are a racist.
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kitchenmotors said:
I don’t care. You can still be a lesbian and a bigot. And your family can still be diet racists and bigots by endorsing someone who has power to make the lives of minorities a living hell.

So get out of here with that shit.
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How is it that everytime I come to this site, the people on it manage to set a new level of crazy?

Christ, I'm surprised some of you haven't started killing people you politically disagree with.
 
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akira28

Member
Trump voters justified their actions and don't think they contributed to racist actions even if they happened to vote them into being. News. At. Fucking. 11.

Mango The Magician said:
How is it that everytime I come to this site, the people on it manage to set a new level of crazy?

Christ, I'm surprised some of you haven't started killing people you politically disagree with.
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do you fear this because of personal reflection or personal projection?
 
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RinsFury

Member
Linkura said:
Just called out some old guy on my cousin's Facebook for saying he wouldn't want to serve with someone "with psychological issues." He told me I had I potty mouth for my Mr. Chow "Hahahaha fuck you" gif and for calling him a bigot, and then deleted the entire conversation.

This guy has a picture of himself with a giant Jesus statue in his activity log. Fuck these out of touch old fucks. They are ruining our country.
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Trans people are subhuman to a huge segment of the population. It's fucking sickening.
 
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