Mango The Magician
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Wonderful rebuttal.
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Trump: Trans Soldiers now barred from the military entirely
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Wonderful rebuttal.
Crimson-Death
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YEAH GUIZ IT'S SURPRISING YOU ARENT MURDERERS YET!!!
Gordon Shumway
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Fair enough. Thanks for the response though. Y'all tend to be friendly almost to a fault, so I found that other comment surprising. Wish the poster would elaborate now..
How is any of that "crazy"? People are rightfully calling out republican voters for what they are.
A Link to the Past
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My main question is whether this can be taken to court, any policy now that seeks to exclude trans people from the military for medical reasons. Wouldn't Trump's policy have to include a justification why, for instance, it allows people with erectile dysfunction to receive care for it on the government's dime as someone pointed out above?
You have nothing worth rebutting. You are not presenting an argument on good terms. You come into a thread where the topic is about one of the most oppressed groups in the United States facing further discrimination, and talk down to people who are rightfully expressing frustration towards a bloc of voters who enable that suffering. You present a ridiculous hypothetical about us wanting to 'kill' people who politically disagree, not realizing the sheer irony of what you're saying.
Let's get back on topic. That includes not whining about how you feel about the comments in the thread, but rather addressing the topic. No one's interested in your metacommentary.
Also, shut up about the guy and his family. It was pages ago, plenty of people have already weighed in, and you're not adding anything new, just cluttering up the thread.
Also, shut up about the guy and his family. It was pages ago, plenty of people have already weighed in, and you're not adding anything new, just cluttering up the thread.
Steve Youngblood
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Yeah. I mean if McConnell and Trump pulled off some magic today and actually passed something through crazy maneuvering I'd think maybe there was something there. But it's not like today was THE vote that sealed health care overhaul's fate. We are now four months in on Republicans floundering on this. The only thing right now to look out for is the thin repeal of Obamacare's mandate. That's the only thing still on the table at this point.
God forbid anyone criticize people who voted for Trump and paved the way for all of this to happen. I thought you left this thread after you proved your own ignorance.
When you treat minorities like sub humans for decades, sometimes centuries, don't be surprised that they get tired of your shit and start treating you like the monsters you really are. Enough if fucking enough, we've been extending the olive branch to Republicans for decades and they have taken it, chewed it up, and spat it right back at us. We have tried to be bipartisan and they continued to go further and further right. No more, I've had enough of this bullshit. People who vote these monsters in are enabling their shit behavior. They are no better and I refuse to disconnect them from their president's disgusting behavior. Own it, you enabled this filth in the White House.
Mango The Magician
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Given human history, it's always troubling to see people not only generalizing a group of individuals, but also demonizing a group of individuals. Also, it's called a hyperbole, I used it to illustrate a point.
The person made it abundantly clear that his family wasn't "evil incarnate" and yet many jump on him (them?) and called their family every name in the book, just because they're republican.
That's absurd.
Do you have anything to say about the topic at hand or do you enjoy tone policing?
Gordon Shumway
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Guess both sides can be crazy, right? Nah..😏
Raven117
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Yeah, its an equal protection (14th Amendment) issue. It will be challenged pretty soon, I'm sure.
Has Mattis commented on this yet? He seems to be fairly reasonable in his approach to most things.
Mango The Magician
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I already tried talking about the topic at hand, and was raked over a bed of spikes for daring to be a moderate in regards to the issue.
Republicans prove how awful they are. Like literally every day. Maybe read this thread. Maybe read the thread about them taking away healthcare from the poor. It's not a generalization if it is proven time and time again, it's reality. The people that continue to vote for them, want this.
Hockeymac18
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Holy fuck. What a fucking fucknut. Get this fucking asshole out of the WH, please.
In the press conference today they kept mentioning "unit cohesion" as the main reason for banning trans soldiers. They wouldn't elaborate on what exactly was the issue, but I'd imagine whatever they end up coming up with will still let them get Viagra.
I really don't see this holding up though. They'll have to have some solid proof that the soldiers that are currently openly trans are somehow hurting our military.
What does it mean to be a moderate on this issue? I'm confused as to what constitutes that stance.
Yes because calling out pieces of shit as the pieces of shit they are is now akin to killing people, that sure makes a lot of sense.
Funnily enough, Trump supporters have no issues sending millions of Americans to their deaths.
"Moderate" my ass, your stance has zero of moderation to it.
Gordon Shumway
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Heh..I wish that folks that pop in with their rebuke of words said by a bunch of nobodies on a nobody forum would, at minimum, write twice the amount of paragraphs to denounce shit said by assholes that control our lives. It ain't gonna happen, but it'd be nice. Unless, they agree? 🤔
The military in the US is different when it comes to hiring people. They have age limits, height limits, and a bunch of other medical tests that can disqualify you.
I doubt this will be reversed under his presidency.
Squall5042
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I'm not racist! I voted for Hitler, but I'm not racist
MaximumSpider
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He announced it on fucking Twitter.
Twitter.
The US is so fucked up that it's not even funny.
Twitter.
The US is so fucked up that it's not even funny.
Gordon Shumway
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Quiet, you!
someone's humanity isn't politics
It's funny how that works huh? You never see them calling out Republicans. Well, you might see a generic "that's awful" but they'll go on for pages shaming Democrats believe me.
Give Hitler some time. He's new to this. It's not like he's Hitler or anything.
DrROBschiz
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youve been in this topic awhile with tons of quality explanations
Are you still here just to antagonize newcomers?
This is despicable putting a monetary reason for cutting trans community from joining the military. Especially since I work with a LOT of ex-military who claim false bullshit disabilities and collect a paycheck from the govt/VA for stupid stuff like sleep apnea, snoring, and shit that can't be proven like back pain ( which usually is a symptom they brought on themselves being idiots, and lifting stuff on their own or pushing too hard at the gym).
Any of them that talk shit about transgenders being too expensive on the military need to come clean on what % of VA disability they get and what it's for.
Any of them that talk shit about transgenders being too expensive on the military need to come clean on what % of VA disability they get and what it's for.
CannonFodder52
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I don't know why you get so offended that they have extremely strong political feelings, when decisions like this heavily effect individual's lives.
People sound heated, but you'd hear probably equally as heated people on an NFL forum. Of all the topics to be steaming about, this seems like the least crazy one.
Gordon Shumway
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You sure?
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
The republicans are pushing really hard to do just that, so...??
Your family is at least OK with racism or are racists. These are truth facts. There are plenty of educated racists in the South. LGBT people can also be solidly racist. There is no magic bullet against racism.
Mango The Magician
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My original stance was mostly based on the assumption that the belief that the military and by extension the taxpayer shouldn't pay for gender reassignment surgery, however, I was unaware of what the military already pays for, thus, for the time being I'm of the opinion that perhaps the military should pay for it because they already pay for so much. That said, I don't have the info one way or the other to know everything they pay for, so I can't say.
Similarly, my original original post in the thread, which garnered no attention, was this.
I can certainly see why being trans would be a lot harder then being cis while in the military, but I also don't think the ban is right.
Um, this deserves its own thread.
MagnaderAlpha
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There's always the whole "fear of the other" thing going on. The "other" is everything bad with society, everything sinful, evil, obscene, violent that will destroy society and a peaceful existence. The Right/Conservatives have always preached this to their people to make the Left/Liberals out to be these "others". The result is that the Right/Conservatives regress to the point that they become EVERYTHING the "other" stands for, a living, breathing physical manifestation of everything bad and evil within society. They become the TRUE "other". "Deplorable" is candy-coating what these people TRULY are, the degradation of civilized society, the rot of humanity, and the death of compassion, understanding and rationale.
He's on vacation/personal time. I'll bet he's pretty pissed off that he wasn't consulted, you know being the sec def and all... It will be interesting to hear what he has to say...
how bad do things have to get before the frustration is justified? I feel like we're well past that point.
Disgrace.
Nah man, we need to have a calm debate about if transgender people are human or not. Both sides have fair points, I'm sure we can reach a middle ground.
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Ugh, he's not exactly wrong. LGBT is not covered by the Civil Rights Act, and we're gonna suffer until we get ourselves in there. That said, the 14th amendment would aid us a bit while we are pushing to be amended in the act. Hope the Democrats push for that too if they get majority of congress again in the coming years.
Everyone should know that the Trump administration's argument for why this ban is appropriate is that transgender people serving in the military has a negative impact on "combat readiness and unit cohesion." This is the exact same reasoning that was used to argue against allowing women and people of color to serve in the military in the past. It's bs. The military didn't collapse back then and it wouldn't now.
I once had a AoR with over 200k people. Spare me the lesson, I guarantee I've held offices way above you.
15k is next to nothing. Again, the services boot around that amount of people out a year to begin with in downsizing.
You are mistaken on a few points. Firstly, the military routinely fluctuates on a growing/ shrinking pattern every few years. We have been in a shrink in the Obama years. When the military is ordered to downsize the Service Secretaries are given a free range in how they aim to meet the target. This could include stuff lime furloughs and forced retirements but it usually boils down to boards racking and stacking career files and booting those with the most marks. Even in the case that you got booted for a mark on your record, you would likely not get a dishonerable discharge. Its actually fairly hard to get a full dishonorable discharge so IDK why that even came up.
This isn't profound logistically. Split 15k between 4 branches and none of them would've been close to their annual reduction targets of previous years. This may hurt Trumps expansion goals but congress has given him a huge pot of money for that.
Its not profound fiscally. The military budget is bigger than it has been in years. 15k troops isn't a significant part in the slightest.