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How the hell can you spoil gameplay?
There's no hookshot in Breath of the Wild
How the hell can you spoil gameplay?
Couldn't an entire book or movie be spoiled for you just because you know some story spoiler? Why are people drawing lines like this?
If all you care about is story, you shouldn't be playing video games. Read a book or watch a movie.
Funny that this post is getting flak for pointing about the strength other mediums hold over video games. If all you care about is solely story, then the reality is there are other avenues for you to pursue a richer form of story telling. The strength of video games is the interaction between the player and the game world, as well as the player's ability to influence outcomes. If the story is the only driving factor for someone to play a game, then their time would be better served enjoying a medium that doesn't get in the way of the story.
Funny that this post is getting flak for pointing about the strength other mediums hold over video games. If all you care about is solely story, then the reality is there are other avenues for you to pursue a richer form of story telling. The strength of video games is the interaction between the player and the game world, as well as the player's ability to influence outcomes. If the story is the only driving factor for someone to play a game, then their time would be better served enjoying a medium that doesn't get in the way of the story.
This is hilarious. So, according to you this post
Is an example of someone "losing his shit." It's also, apparently
"obnoxious," despite the fact that you could have just ignored the post in its entirety without sparking an argument.
Funny that this post is getting flak for pointing about the strength other mediums hold over video games. If all you care about is solely story, then the reality is there are other avenues for you to pursue a richer form of story telling. The strength of video games is the interaction between the player and the game world, as well as the player's ability to influence outcomes. If the story is the only driving factor for someone to play a game, then their time would be better served enjoying a medium that doesn't get in the way of the story.
Because games are so much more than movies and book.
And also yes, it would also be ridiculous to not watch a movie or read a book just because you've been spoiled in some way. It would suck more in those cases, but there is still much more to an experience besides some story revelation.
There's no hookshot in Breath of the Wild
It's also bullshit that old stuff is OK to spoil- not everyone has played every old game, so you're still being a jerk by going "b-but it's been a year!/ several years!".
It wasn't a spoiler so i let them know it and how annoying people crying spoilers!!! [/B ]so often are.
I really disagree with this. At what point should people discuss openly stories in any medium if we wait for someone to play, read or watch X piece of a medium? The best of option for them is try to avoid it.
I sure as hell ain't hiding thator that Darth Vader is Luke's father.Aerith dies
Spoiler tags. Just a warning before the post / in the thread title saying "spoilers for X/Y/Z" is perfectly sensible.I really disagree with this. At what point should people discuss openly stories in any medium if we wait for someone to play, read or watch X piece of a medium? The best of option for them is try to avoid it.
It's also bullshit that old stuff is OK to spoil- not everyone has played every old game, so you're still being a jerk by going "b-but it's been a year!/ several years!".
Doesn't say much for the game, does it?I was about 13 hours into Horizon Zero Dawn, then some jerk on reddit ruined the story for me. Now, I have zero motivation to finish
This.
Also Aerith dies.
Cool. I bet you've watched all classic films, read all the classics, and played all story-heavy games you could ever possibly care about.If the game has been out for several years then it's no one's problem but yourself for not playing a game you supposedly care about being spoiled on.
Plum's Guide to Spoilers
Step 1)
Before writing a post ask yourself "Have the contents of this post been explicitly shown off or discussed in official marketing material?"
Step 2)
If yes:
Write the post.
If no:
Click the spoiler tag and then write the post.
Step 3)
Stop using fringe cases to justify you not taking the second out of your day to click the spoiler tag
I'm okay with people getting upset when someone tells them <spoiler removed>
I know you're posting this sarcastically, but it strikes me as pretty reasonable. I mean, what's the alternative? Is the entire world to refrain from discussing the plot of Creative Work X without spoiler tags, in perpetuity?
I once had someone yell at me for mentioning in casual conversation that <spoiler removed> novel. That can't be the way to handle these things. A compromise must be reached.
That Kotaku comment and the author's response had me dying.
You're entitled to be petulant about spoilers, but you could still put forth the modicum of effort to not be a dick.
I talk about SotC all the time and haven't had to reveal ending details without warning. For some stories, it doesn't matter to me, but it's not my place to decide for others.
It's an old game discussed to hell and back. It's story and impact is part of popular culture. Expecting no spoilers at this stage is entirely unreasonable.
Thank you for this post.
It is my entire argument.
Story, combat, and characters are all equally unparalled.
Eh, I think that puts too much on the people who don't know if it's a spoiler or not. The responsibility in that regard falls on the people with the knowledge
And context matters. I don't think anyone would treat that post as a spoiler due to how it's written and presented and the absurdity of the post. But what if it was a post about a character death or something else; of course they would treat it like a spoiler. "How would they know?" is like the whole point
Of course the nature of the thread is important too (don't go into a thread explicitly about discussing the thing you don't want spoiled), but dropping something like that elsewhere falls on the poster, not the reader IMO
*slaps random people on the ass in public*
"There isn't a UNIVERSAL standard for personal space! You can't expect everyone to bend to your whims!"
Heres the context of the OP.
Someone made a thread on r/PS4 asking if he/she should buy Horizon Zero Dawn. I stated that I was really enjoying the game and the story was pretty awesome.
Guy responds by saying 'the storyline is really really predictable. I mean, youve gotta be an idiot to not realize *spoiler*'
Like, come the fuck on dude. I didnt attack you. That shit wasnt warranted at all.
Also, I picked the game back up today after arriving home from work.
That's why I avoid any gaming related subreddits as the ending of Xenogears was spoilered to me out of the blue.I was about 13 hours into Horizon Zero Dawn, then some jerk on reddit ruined the story for me. Now, I have zero motivation to finish the game.
Pretty disappointed about it, too. I wanted to experience the highs and lows. I was fully immersed. Ever since I read that post, I have no interest in finishing.
Please, guys. Don't ruin games for others just getting into them
Bright side, now I can find something else to begin.
*slaps random people on the ass in public*
"There isn't a UNIVERSAL standard for personal space! You can't expect everyone to bend to your whims!"
I tend to be critical of this study because the structure used isn't a realistic representation of spoilers or how people consume media.
By spoiling the story beforehand, especially unknowingly as it was presented to the second groups, it stops being a spoiler and just becomes an expected function of the plot. It's no longer a spoiler because that's what you expect the story to be about. It change your expectations. It's like the narrative structure of Sherlock Holmes versus Columbo. So the assumption that they enjoyed the stories more because they were spoiled isn't reflective of reality or even reflective of how their experiment actually influenced the readers.
There's also the added influence of personal interest. A lot of people want to experience the stuff they like from a fresh perspective, and on their own terms. They're invested in the story and fiction, the journey and how it unfolds. It's not merely about endings and twists.
This conclusion is odd too. Yes, obviously, people enjoy movies, books, games, etc. more than once, and can appreciate them in new ways due to hindsight, but that isnt a counter to the notion that people (or the "skeptics") enjoy and value their first naturally-unfolding experience highly. Both are equally true. The former doesn't disprove the latter.
I had long ass response to this post, but I had a power outage so long story short(er). We don't own anything to people who hadn't played, watched or read any kind of old media, especially those who plot points are very well known, are already acknowledged publicly by its own creator(s) and are mentioned offhanded in sequels or spinoffs.Who cares if they felt something was a spoiler and you didn't? "Letting them know," is not productive as you must have known you weren't going to convince him. You just wanted another easy scapegoat to justify your lack of desire to "walk on eggshells" as you so eloquently put it before.
How can you avoid it when people spoil things for no reason in random threads without warning? You even did it here; how could someone who hadn't played FFVII possibly avoided that spoiler? But even if you went with the "it's pop culture!" excuse for FFVII specifically the first page alone in this thread has spoilers for Kingdom Hearts, MGSV and Harry Potter. You can't avoid that shit, you're just stuck with assholes who think a spoiler becoming a meme somehow makes it fine to spoil.
Exactly this! I can't believe people still don't get that saying there's a plot twist is a huge spoiler in and of itself. It's just common sense.The thing that gets to me are the non-spoilery spoilers like when you see a thread titled "wow *game title*'s plot twist blew my mind" .. Like yeah I guess you can expect a twist from a lot of stories, but if you know beforehand something "mind blowing" is going to happen, you kinda already take in the experience different just preparing for that moment you've seen people hype up.
Playing it safe is not deciding for others"Not my place to decide for others."
"Oh but you should always play it safe and use spoiler tags/spoiler warnings everywhere, with no statute of limitations for anything no matter how old it is."
Exactly this! I can't believe people still don't get that saying there's a plot twist is a huge spoiler in and of itself. It's just common sense.
I don't know what else it can be when I'm asked to spoiler tag such and such in so and so manner.Playing it safe is not deciding for others
Arbitrary limit. There are people in this very thread arguing we shouldn't spoil even pop culture knowledge.Basically, yes except for stuff that have become part of pop culture.
Your example is poor at best.
You seem pretty worked up and your expectations are a tad unreasonable. Don't talk about something because you're waiting for the definitive edition? LOL. If you're so into things that your ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE SPOILED maybe stay off the Internet? Heck, stay inside with the blinds drawn until you're done consuming all the things.
(BTW, Wander dies)
Nah, you're a dick if you do whatever you like without any consideration for how it affects those around you. You're a dick when you fight for your right to make others experiences worse above all else."Not my place to decide for others."
"Oh but you should always play it safe and use spoiler tags/spoiler warnings everywhere, with no statute of limitations for anything no matter how old it is."
Like, how much of a persecution complex can you have? You don't want other people deciding for you how to enjoy entertainment. Do you think they want you to tell them when and how to mark their spoilers? What the rules are they should abide by? That they lack "common decency" for not doing things your way?
Just by framing the discussion as "you're a dick for not doing things according to my arbitrary rules", you relinquish any sympathy from me.
How can you avoid it when people spoil things for no reason in random threads without warning? You even did it here; how could someone who hadn't played FFVII possibly avoided that spoiler? But even if you went with the "it's pop culture!" excuse for FFVII specifically the first page alone in this thread has spoilers for Kingdom Hearts, MGSV and Harry Potter. You can't avoid that shit, you're just stuck with assholes who think a spoiler becoming a meme somehow makes it fine to spoil.
while i agree with your general sentiment, i don't feel Horizon had any twists that i didn't see coming from a mile away.
Like, Aloy's origins (being), the setting (eartha clone) ...recovering from a man made robot apocalypse
Playing it safe is not deciding for others
As for the second point:
Basically, yes except for stuff that have become part of pop culture. The notion of a statute of limitations goes hand-in-hand with the notion that "I played/watched/read it already so it's old to me" Age of a work isn't really the metric for spoilers, popularity and pop culture saturation is.
That's me mocking Haly's language, but it's in response to people like this:
Who let themselves become dickwads out of some strange sense of entitlement to say whatever they want.
Do you take the same "both sides" approach to the above?
Those weren't really the twists. I think you're supposed to understand both of those things fairly early on. Both are pretty obvious from the getgo imo, but that's not a bad thing.
Except social networks are bigger and more open than ever, anyone could look in my (or anyone else's) Instagram or Twitter profile while they discussing X plot points WHICH are shown on people's timeline or they are retweeted or responded to, which are also shown to people who don't even follow me? At what point should discussions be thwarted to avoid the slippery slope?Playing it safe is not deciding for others
As for the second point:
Basically, yes except for stuff that have become part of pop culture. The notion of a statute of limitations goes hand-in-hand with the notion that "I played/watched/read it already so it's old to me" Age of a work isn't really the metric for spoilers, popularity and pop culture saturation is.
I'm generally talking on the scale of like Star Wars or Terminator 2 or whatnot.The problem is the latter is a fuzzy metric and apparently not agreed upon according to some of the more hardline posters in this thread.
Which is largely why this discussion is so fraught. The truth is the "common sense", very much differs. The season premiere of The Walking Dead this year was openly talked about on shows after airing, including by folks aligned with the official production. Is that good or bad? Does that reinforce the "after release" line? What if someone has missed those interviews and remains in the dark? It's been officially release, so folks are going to talk about it, or should those folks be more cautious with the spoiler?
This is generally the issue and why threads have spoiler policies, usually determined by the community.
Not all of us can be so happy about freely ruining experiences for others.
Get the fuck over yourself. Some games have good stories and people want to experience them to the fullest.
You're right, OP. This pro-spoiler culture is bullshit.
It's also really, really, reeeaaslllyyyy fucking obnoxious to be so smug over not using spoiler tags, a process that takes 3 seconds, tops. All you do is click a couple things, and you don't run the risk of ruining someone else's experience! This isn't rocket science lol.
Edit: To the "b-but one spoiler can't ruin the whole experience!" chaps- it can harm my investment in a game or its characters. It can ruin a moment that the game builds up to for hours. Also, if no one tags their spoilers we go quickly from "one manageable spoiler" to "people tossing endgame info and events left and right".
It's also bullshit that old stuff is OK to spoil- not everyone has played every old game, so you're still being a jerk by going "b-but it's been a year!/ several years!".
I don't.Nah, you're a dick if you do whatever you like without any consideration for how it affects those around you.
Tiptoeing around spoilers makes my posting experience worse. Although I'm all for give and take, what are you offering to me for following Plum's handy-dandy-common-decency-rules-for-spoilers? Not derailing a thread when you get spoiled? Wow, how magnanimous of you.You're a dick when you fight for your right to make others experiences worse above all else.
I'm generally talking on the scale of like Star Wars or Terminator 2 or whatnot.
If you weren't following TWD or GOT when the big moments happen, or didn't even know the shows exist until a decade from today, you're probably not going to know about the big moments that blew up when they aired. Like my dad got into Game of Thrones this year and just finished Season 3 a few weeks ago. He has zero knowledge about the show
My mom did though since she had heard about it on the radio and proceeded to cover her face and walk out of the room, which clued him into the fact that something big was about to happen.
Frankly, yes. We have folks talking about some being too thin-skinned about spoilers, and others calling those who believe in reverse dicks. Which would you like me to start with?
I don't.
Tiptoeing around spoilers makes my posting experience worse. Although I'm all for give and take, what are you offering to me for following Plum's handy-dandy-common-decency-rules-fo-spoilers? Not derailing a thread when you get spoiled? Wow, how magnanimous of you.
Exactly this! I can't believe people still don't get that saying there's a plot twist is a huge spoiler in and of itself. It's just common sense.
Tiptoeing around spoilers makes my posting experience worse.